So Biden-Haters: why Trump over Biden?

[Buyetyen]

I'd say that isn't as bad, myself, though hard to judge. In any case, I meant complaints against Biden and Trump as people, and how they would use the power of PotUS, rather than how they've used the power they have had beforehand. Not to give Biden a free pass on what he has done, but Trump wasn't in the same position to do such (or similar) things.

I get what you mean and see where you're going. I'm simply of the opinion that we are looking at a natural disaster of horrifying scale, proportions and nature, and Trump's response has been an abject failure. There's no way to spin the fact that he's unfit for the job at every level. And for all my complaints and criticisms of Biden, he has yet to demonstrate a moral and intellectual bankruptcy to the degree Trump has every day of his presidency.

Life is not safe. Every person that dies in a traffic accident while headed to work “matters”. Crossing a street, taking mass transportation. Putting shingles on a roof.
There are tradeoffs. This lockdown has a cost. And people are determining that it isn’t worth that cost now, if it ever was to begin with.
Example: Will the lockdown cost us to lose even more lives to suicide?

Three things here.

1. You do not get to make the decision of risk for me. It is the height of arrogance to think otherwise.
2. The vast majority of the country still supports lockdown measures. The gun-toting psychopaths hanging governors in effigy are a stupid and selfish, if dangerous, minority.
3. As someone who is at risk of suicide, you do not get to speak for me. You talk about life being at risk, yet you think you get to advocate for me which risk is worth taking and which one isn't?

 

[Silvanus]

Are you just ignoring that Biden is a pathological liar and has prioritized "balancing budgets" for his entire career? Because it seems pretty relevant.

No, I'm not ignoring anything.

I'm saying that using this as grounds to dismiss every single policy difference-- corporate tax rate, private prisons, public health insurance, readmission to the Paris Accords, lower health charge caps, carbon neutrality-- to discount absolutely everything, assume he'll renege on it all? The party platform as a whole means nothing on any of these issues, because he's lied a bunch in the past? That goes so far beyond sober evaluation it's ludicrous.

He would have to break every single promise, perform an about-turn on every stance. The change of tack would need to be so extreme as to be lightyears beyond what any other political figure in American history has done before. And the Congressmen would need to do the same en masse, including Sanders' delegates and Warren's delegates. To assume this will happen is not critical thinking; it's kneejerk presumptuousness.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

No, I'm not ignoring anything.

I'm saying that using this as grounds to dismiss every single policy difference-- corporate tax rate, private prisons, public health insurance, readmission to the Paris Accords, lower health charge caps, carbon neutrality-- to discount absolutely everything, assume he'll renege on it all? The party platform as a whole means nothing on any of these issues, because he's lied a bunch in the past? That goes so far beyond sober evaluation it's ludicrous.

He would have to break every single promise, perform an about-turn on every stance. The change of tack would need to be so extreme as to be lightyears beyond what any other political figure in American history has done before. And the Congressmen would need to do the same en masse, including Sanders' delegates and Warren's delegates. To assume this will happen is not critical thinking; it's kneejerk presumptuousness.

But it's what he's doing now. The party platform as written is a total about-face on Biden's record. If you're saying that it's ludicrous that someone could flip their entire political activity between what they say and what they do, we have to ask "so why do you believe Biden?"

 

[Seanchaidh]

Terminal negligence and incompetence during a pandemic resulting in a loss of over 100,000 lives in 2 months.

Uh-huh.

Joe Biden and his campaign were urging people to vote in-person as COVID-19 was spreading.

 

[lil devils x]

My bad in that I wrote the lock down was only helping nursing home patients. I should have written something different. That is hyperbolic. Apologies.
I do understand the vast majority of those killed by Covid are elderly. This link writes some 75% are 65 or older: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/ I have health issues and am nearing that age group myself. I insist upon putting my life on the line to ensure my kids have a free and prosperous society in which to raise a family of their own.
Lockdown itself appears to be a fail as most new cases are from people that are in lockdown:

66% of New York coronavirus hospitalizations are people at HOME

In a study of some 1,000 new patients over the last week, 66 percent were not essential workers and were staying at home. More than 80 percent had not taken any public transport.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Life is not safe. Every person that dies in a traffic accident while headed to work “matters”. Crossing a street, taking mass transportation. Putting shingles on a roof.
There are tradeoffs. This lockdown has a cost. And people are determining that it isn’t worth that cost now, if it ever was to begin with.
Example: Will the lockdown cost us to lose even more lives to suicide?
"We've never seen numbers like this, in such a short period of time," he said. "I mean we've seen a year's worth of suicide attempts in the last four weeks."

Suicides on the rise amid stay-at-home order, Bay Area medical professionals say

"What I have seen recently, I have never seen before. I have never seen so much intentional injury."

abc7news.com

Given what we know, this lockdown is starting to smack a lot more of authoritarians exercising power over the masses than having an actual health concern. Trump is fighting them, fighting for example, for people to be able to go to church.
Biden would back the authoritarians.
For that reason among others, I’d choose Trump over Biden.

None of this makes any sense.
1) Yes, people die, it is a matter of how, why, when and where and what is being done to prevent unnecessary deaths. Trump is not doing anything to help prevent more suicides and instead increases events that will increase hopelessness and despair. This is not an " either or issue" we should be working to keep all people safer, not just dismiss deaths because they do not align with a "do nothing" to reduce them agenda.

2) Trump is making it more difficult, not less to access mental health services that will directly result in more suicides and creating worse conditions that result in more widespread feelings of desperation and hopelessness. We also are having an huge spike in suicides among first responders due to the the sheer horror of the situations they are being forced into right now. Trump is making this so much worse for first responders, not better due to his mishandling of the supply chains working to keep a constant flow of PPE to the people working on the front lines.

3) No one is saying we should stay in lockdown, in fact we have not even had an actual lockdown in the US at all yet. China has had actual lockdowns. The only reason why the stay at home advisory should last longer at all is due to waiting on Trump to do what is needed to make opening safer. Trump should have used the defense production act to provide both first responders and the general public with PPE. He has not done that and wasted tons of time and money giving contracts to his friends and when they didn't pan out, he did nothing to correct any of this. His bumbling of this is what is causing delays which then result in it still not being safe to reopen, so as you see, Trump is the one who is responsible for the lockdowns needing to take longer and why consumer confidence is low. If Trump actually provided everyone with the tools and resources they needed to be able to reopen and increase consumer confidence to make the economy bounce back faster this would save many more lives faster. Trump is actually the biggest factor impacting the economic recovery due to his bad actions and inaction harming consumer safety and confidence.

4) The people claiming this is some authoritarian deep state conspiracy infringing upon their freedom are honestly just being gullible, ignorant and stupid. Period. Trump is being incompetent, not some sort of freedom fighter as the conspiracy promoting lunatics would lead you to believe. Promoting disinformation and championing that disinformation as a reason to do anything is irresponsible and will directly cause a worsening of the situation rather than make it better in any way.

5) Any pastor who cares for the lives of his congregation would continue to have virtual services rather than placing their " flock" in danger. When one pool party can cause a COVID-19 flare up, and we have many who have become ill and died already due to attending church services, Trump isn't doing anyone any favors by trying to force people into dangerous situations in order to "appear" to care about their ability to worship safely. He just puts on a show, but if he actually cared about the people attending church, he would make the efforts to keep them safer when they are able to do so again.

6) Decisions should be made on facts and scientific methods, not hunches and whims. Trump is flying my his arse here and taking the whole nation with him because he does not understand or believe in scientific method and peer review.

7)THIS is not caring for your flock:

Virginia pastor who defiantly held church service dies of coronavirus

An evangelical pastor died of COVID-19 just weeks after proudly showing off how packed his Virginia church was — and vowing to keep preaching “unless I’m in jail or the hospital.&…

nypost.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2020/04/19/church-of-god-in-christ-pentecostal-coronavirus-kills-bishops/

High COVID-19 Attack Rate Among Attendees at Events at a Church ...

On March 16, 2020, the day that national social distancing guidelines were released (1), the Arkansas Department of Health (ADH) was notified of two cases of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) ...

www.cdc.gov

More Than 100 in Germany Found to Be Infected With Coronavirus After Church’s Services

At least 107 people have been found to be infected with the new coronavirus after some of them attended Sunday services at a church in Frankfurt two weeks ago, according to German officials, highlighting the growing risk of new outbreaks of the virus as Germany loosens restrictions on public...

www.wsj.com

COVID-19 leaves 2 dead, 11 more infected at L.A. church - California Southern Baptist Convention

Pastor Juan Carlos Mendez wasn’t allowed in the hospital even though members of the south Los Angeles church he pastors were dying of the coronavirus. So in the final moments of their lives, nurses held up phones so he could assure them, through video conference, of Christ’s presence.

www.csbc.com

Trump Has Tried to Slash Mental Health Funds Despite Post-Shooting Rhetoric

"The Trump administration has expanded short-term insurance plans, which are not required to cover mental health care and typically exclude people with serious mental illness."

www.newsweek.com

Pastors reject Trump's call to reopen churches

Pastors in Philadelphia and across the country are refusing President Donald Trump’s call to reopen their churches.

www.phillytrib.com

 

[Buyetyen]

Uh-huh.

Joe Biden and his campaign were urging people to vote in-person as COVID-19 was spreading.

These are not the same things. Of all the excuses to not give a shit, I find cynicism the laziest.

 

[lil devils x]

Uh-huh.

Joe Biden and his campaign were urging people to vote in-person as COVID-19 was spreading.

Biden was not the one who received COVID-19 briefings in January and ignored them.
Biden was not who gutted Pandemic response resources prior to a Pandemic.
Biden is not who was ignoring his team of scientists that were trying to get him to respond because Biden was not in a position to have a team of scientists to tell him this due to not being in office at the time and instead was already on the campaign trail when this news broke. When Biden was actually made aware, belatedly so after the fact, he changed his course of action. Trump had this information readily available long before Biden and still did nothing to act and he is the only one with the authority to do so. Trump is STILL trying to put people in harms way and has not changed course.

‘Blinking Red’: A Running Timeline of How the Trump Administration Ignored Warnings, Misled the Public, and Made the Coronavirus Crisis Worse

This interactive timeline presents the important details about what Trump and his administration have and haven’t done about the coronavirus pandemic—every ignored warning; every needless, wasteful fight; and every tragic misstep they try to spin into success.

www.americanprogress.org

 

[Worgen]

Easy, I'm sick of being held hostage by Democrats because if we don't vote for them, THE REPUBLICANS!!!!!!111!!!!1!! will come in and kill us all. These have been the tactics of The Democrats ever since I was old enough to vote and I'm done playing that game. They don't have any need or desire to put in policies that I want because if people are going to "Vote Blue No Matter Who" then they have no need to give us what we actually want.

I know others in threads have talked about wanting to see it all burn down so that we can rise from the ashes. I don't want that. I don't want to push everyone to the breaking point where they finally get to a point where they yell enough is enough and go grab the guillotines. But honestly, maybe that is exactly what The Democrats need. I thought 2016 was going to be their wake-up call but somehow not only have they not woken up, they've double downed on the ORANGE MAN BAD rhetoric. They can't even pay lip service and pretend like M4A is something that they would fight for, it's just another campaign cycle of "You HAVE to vote for our candidate or else you're giving TRUMP the White House!!!!".

Then you need to get more involved since the way things work is a democrat gets elected and gets things working well, then a republican gets voted in and fucks everything up and a new democrat needs to be elected in and it takes most of their term to fix all the shit the republicans broke. This has been the cycle since Clinton and maybe further and I have no idea how people fail to realize it.

When trump was first elected he was an outsider, most people didn't know how bad he would be unless they were actually paying attention to him. He might have already destroyed our country, its entirely possible that unless hes voted out by a land slide he will try and stonewall himself as president and refuse the peaceful hand over of power, we already see his rhetoric attacking elections for not being fair, you can bet your ass he will do everything he can to press the message that every democratic vote is a fake one and his followers should lynch his opponent.

 

[gorfias]

You have every right to volunteer to sacrifice yourself. Asking the government to sacrifice up to 5% of other people, however, is a very different matter. ...

And just to be clear here, the chance of death for over-65s that catch covid-19 is potentially around or over 5%. That's more than a little unsafe. It's certainly a vast way beyond "traffic accident" unsafe. In fact, it's significantly less safe than it was to serve in the US armed forces during WW2...

We make value judgements all the time. A dictator in some enrivonments, politburough in others, a majority or electoral college in others may decide that the nation is to embark upon good or bad things and legally oblige you, at risk of your life, to enforce them. We just need to work to be on the right side of things.

Your WW2 stat seems silly. If Covid has a .05% mortality rate among those over 65 that show symptoms of it, that is more dangerous than storming Normandy? Being ordered to charge a machine gun turret? I don't think so.

Three things here.

1. You do not get to make the decision of risk for me. It is the height of arrogance to think otherwise.
2. The vast majority of the country still supports lockdown measures. The gun-toting psychopaths hanging governors in effigy are a stupid and selfish, if dangerous, minority.
3. As someone who is at risk of suicide, you do not get to speak for me. You talk about life being at risk, yet you think you get to advocate for me which risk is worth taking and which one isn't?

1. See above. A soverieng has the power to decide upon anything, good or bad. A free people need to fight to ensure the choices are right and fair.
2. "The majority is always wrong". Henrik Ibsen. Meh. I don't really believe that but think that is food for thought. More, just being in the majority doesn't make you correct.
3. Can I think a war worth fighting, even if many, averaging 19 may die? How about contintued Alaskan fishing? It is one of the most dangerous jobs there is. By allowing it, are we consigning some to die? ITMT, when I'm blue, I think of Turd Flinging Monkey's review of "Enjoy the Decline". Never sucumb to despair. We only live once. There is no good reason to ever sucumb. With life there is hope of good things we may never again get to experience. There's a big difference between understanding life is risk and despair. May you never sucumb to it.

4) The people claiming this is some authoritarian deep state conspiracy infringing upon their freedom are honestly just being gullible, ignorant and stupid.

I do not know. I'm very worried. We were to flatten the curve. I got a hair cut. As the emergency beds became unused and things were not as bad as predicted, the barber got shut down. Then when the wave should have been over, I was ordered to wear a mask outside. This seems nuts.

 

[lil devils x]

We make value judgements all the time. A dictator in some enrivonments, politburough in others, a majority or electoral college in others may decide that the nation is to embark upon good or bad things and legally oblige you, at risk of your life, to enforce them. We just need to work to be on the right side of things.

Your WW2 stat seems silly. If Covid has a .05% mortality rate among those over 65 that show symptoms of it, that is more dangerous than storming Normandy? Being ordered to charge a machine gun turret? I don't think so.


1. See above. A soverieng has the power to decide upon anything, good or bad. A free people need to fight to ensure the choices are right and fair.
2. "The majority is always wrong". Henrik Ibsen. Meh. I don't really believe that but think that is food for thought. More, just being in the majority doesn't make you correct.
3. Can I think a war worth fighting, even if many, averaging 19 may die? How about contintued Alaskan fishing? It is one of the most dangerous jobs there is. By allowing it, are we consigning some to die? ITMT, when I'm blue, I think of Turd Flinging Monkey's review of "Enjoy the Decline". Never sucumb to despair. We only live once. There is no good reason to ever sucumb. With life there is hope of good things we may never again get to experience. There's a big difference between understanding life is risk and despair. May you never sucumb to it.

I do not know. I'm very worried. We were to flatten the curve. I got a hair cut. As the emergency beds became unused and things were not as bad as predicted, the barber got shut down. Then when the wave should have been over, I was ordered to wear a mask outside. This seems nuts.

The curve isn't flattened everywhere yet and will peak again and again and again if we fail to take measures to keep it from happening again and again and again.
Barbers are getting shut down due to amount of viral load that people can be exposed to during the extended amount of time spent unable to social distance necessary during a haircut.

Just 2 infected hairstylists in only one salon exposed 140+ people to COVID-19

Single Hair Salon Exposes Up To 140 People To Coronavirus In Missouri

Single Hair Salon Exposes Up To 140 People To Coronavirus In Missouri

www.iflscience.com

What we have to be most concerned about is "super spreading" events, where large amounts of people can be infected by just a couple of people.
For example, out of 61 people who attended this event, 51 of them contracted COVID-19 from the event:

How a superspreader at choir practice sickened 52 people with COVID-19

A superspreader at a choir practice gave COVID-19 to 52 other people, 2 of whom died.

www.livescience.com

We need to try and reduce the ability to have more people infected by a few individuals in a short period of time in order to reduce the spread until we can find better methods of treatment. This is why social distancing is so important, so that when you do go somewhere you are less likely to contract it from the people who are also there even if one of those people happen to have a high viral load. Things like church services, choirs, hair salons make that extremely difficult to be able to do, and those that have been opening have not taken any measures at all to make it safer. Until we can find out how to open these and keep people safe while doing so, we need to work on the methods used to do so in order to have these events and keep people safe while they are there. If they are not taking any measures to keep people safe at all, no they should not open until they do, and our federal government should be helping them do so. In the meantime, I do not want the barber to starve, that is why we need to make sure they are able to also receive public financial assistance until they can do so. They are only being denied the financial help other's are receiving due to Republicans preventing them from being able to do so as it removes the " contract labor" loophole Republicans love to exploit so much to deny benefits to full time employees. Republicans are currently alarmed that increasing benefits for people during the pandemic means they will lose their ability to exploit cheap labor the rest of the time. Thus why they have not passed the relief measures that are necessary right now to prevent mass tragedy and are screaming " over my dead body" to expand unemployment benefits.

Lindsey Graham Wants to Take Away Coronavirus Unemployment Benefits From Millions – COURIER

couriernewsroom.com

 

[crimson5pheonix]

$3,278 ER Visit for Coughing Fits and Fever Amid Covid-19 Pandemic Highlights Failure of For-Profit System

"Congress and insurers have made all of these promises to waive copays for treatment and testing but we're hearing that's not always the reality."

www.commondreams.org

More reasons to demand more from Biden's healthcare position. Expanding and metastasizing the insurance industry with the veneer of a safety net is why the ACA didn't work.

 

[lil devils x]

$3,278 ER Visit for Coughing Fits and Fever Amid Covid-19 Pandemic Highlights Failure of For-Profit System

"Congress and insurers have made all of these promises to waive copays for treatment and testing but we're hearing that's not always the reality."

www.commondreams.org

More reasons to demand more from Biden's healthcare position. Expanding and metastasizing the insurance industry with the veneer of a safety net is why the ACA didn't work.

1) The insurance wound up covering that bill as it was a hospital coding error.
2) This still happens under medicare as well:

Health Insurance & Medicare

WebMD provides coverage of health care reform, Medicare, Medicaid, health insurance, and the Affordable Care Act, including benefits, costs, coverage, financial assistance, and much more.

www.webmd.com

As I mentioned above, the state took my grandmother's home to cover her Medicare expenses, and made my wheelchair bound uncle homeless in the process. We need so much fixed in our system b4 M4A is viable as well.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

1) The insurance wound up covering that bill as it was a hospital coding error.
2) This still happens under medicare as well:

Health Insurance & Medicare

WebMD provides coverage of health care reform, Medicare, Medicaid, health insurance, and the Affordable Care Act, including benefits, costs, coverage, financial assistance, and much more.

www.webmd.com

As I mentioned above, the state took my grandmother's home to cover her Medicare expenses, and made my wheelchair bound uncle homeless in the process. We need so much fixed in our system b4 M4A is viable as well.

Yes, by expanding medicare to cover all medical costs and prescriptions. That's the big hole in medicare and having such a massive base of people with which to negotiate prescription drug prices instead of dozens of small companies with basically no government bargaining is an instant fix in that regard.

But Biden is very specifically against solutions like this and very much pro putting people into debt for his industry friends, so no to Biden. He can't be helpful.

 

[Worgen]

Yes, by expanding medicare to cover all medical costs and prescriptions. That's the big hole in medicare and having such a massive base of people with which to negotiate prescription drug prices instead of dozens of small companies with basically no government bargaining is an instant fix in that regard.

But Biden is very specifically against solutions like this and very much pro putting people into debt for his industry friends, so no to Biden. He can't be helpful.

So I guess now we are just "haha"ing at each others posts. Oddly enough doing that is a better argument then you tend to make.

 

[Neuromancer]

So I guess now we are just "haha"ing at each others posts. Oddly enough doing that is a better argument then you tend to make.

At least, unlike you, he makes an argument.

You run out of those a page ago.

 

[Worgen]

At least, unlike you, he makes an argument.

You run out of those a page ago.

No he doesn't, he repeats the same "I want trump to be re-elected cause Bernie didn't win, whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" over and over again that makes me glad Bernie lost because Bernie bros are annoying as hell. Although I suppose he might just be a republican operative, which sounds about as likely at this point.

 

[fOx]

No he doesn't, he repeats the same "I want trump to be re-elected cause Bernie didn't win, whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" over and over again that makes me glad Bernie lost because Bernie bros are annoying as hell. Although I suppose he might just be a republican operative, which sounds about as likely at this point.

This is fair. I also find them annoying. It's much better for you to vote for the racist, homophobic rapist. Much less annoying.

 

[Neuromancer]

No he doesn't, he repeats the same "I want trump to be re-elected cause Bernie didn't win, whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" over and over again

Hmm. I haven't seen him say anywhere that he wants Trump re-elected. You are making a rather massive assumption in saying he wants Trump re-elected. Are you sure you aren't letting feelings cloud your judgement?

that makes me glad Bernie lost because Bernie bros are annoying as hell.

I suppose then, you will be fine if in the future people are glad Biden lost for any reason, even if illegitimate, like, say,. spite

Although I suppose he might just be a republican operative, which sounds about as likely at this point.

Damn, do you think he's a russian plant as well?

 

[gorfias]

The curve isn't flattened everywhere yet and will peak again and again and again if we fail to take measures to keep it from happening again and again and again.
Barbers are getting shut down due to amount of viral load that people can be exposed to during the extended amount of time spent unable to social distance necessary during a haircut.

Just 2 infected hairstylists in only one salon exposed 140+ people to COVID-19

Single Hair Salon Exposes Up To 140 People To Coronavirus In Missouri

Single Hair Salon Exposes Up To 140 People To Coronavirus In Missouri

www.iflscience.com

What we have to be most concerned about is "super spreading" events, where large amounts of people can be infected by just a couple of people.
For example, out of 61 people who attended this event, 51 of them contracted COVID-19 from the event:

How a superspreader at choir practice sickened 52 people with COVID-19

A superspreader at a choir practice gave COVID-19 to 52 other people, 2 of whom died.

www.livescience.com

We need to try and reduce the ability to have more people infected by a few individuals in a short period of time in order to reduce the spread until we can find better methods of treatment. This is why social distancing is so important, so that when you do go somewhere you are less likely to contract it from the people who are also there even if one of those people happen to have a high viral load. Things like church services, choirs, hair salons make that extremely difficult to be able to do, and those that have been opening have not taken any measures at all to make it safer. Until we can find out how to open these and keep people safe while doing so, we need to work on the methods used to do so in order to have these events and keep people safe while they are there. If they are not taking any measures to keep people safe at all, no they should not open until they do, and our federal government should be helping them do so. In the meantime, I do not want the barber to starve, that is why we need to make sure they are able to also receive public financial assistance until they can do so. They are only being denied the financial help other's are receiving due to Republicans preventing them from being able to do so as it removes the " contract labor" loophole Republicans love to exploit so much to deny benefits to full time employees. Republicans are currently alarmed that increasing benefits for people during the pandemic means they will lose their ability to exploit cheap labor the rest of the time. Thus why they have not passed the relief measures that are necessary right now to prevent mass tragedy and are screaming " over my dead body" to expand unemployment benefits.

Lindsey Graham Wants to Take Away Coronavirus Unemployment Benefits From Millions – COURIER

couriernewsroom.com

Even if everything you write is true, as things were getting better where I live and our projections did not come close to coming true, the lock down rules got more, not less extreme. And now, National Mail in Voting, the best known way to engage in voter fraud through actions like vote harvesting, is at the top of the discussion. The "never let a good crisis go to waste" people truly appear to be on the move and people that love freedom and prosperity should be greatly concerned.

 

[lil devils x]

Even if everything you write is true, as things were getting better where I live and our projections did not come close to coming true, the lock down rules got more, not less extreme. And now, National Mail in Voting, the best known way to engage in voter fraud through actions like vote harvesting, is at the top of the discussion. The "never let a good crisis go to waste" people truly appear to be on the move and people that love freedom and prosperity should be greatly concerned.

1) All types of voter fraud is minuscule and considered a non issue as it has had little impact on elections and often it is not actual voter fraud but instead it is just human error.
2) Mail in voting is better for everyone, and has commonly been used by the wealthy for quite some time, including the president himself. Republicans want to keep it only available to the wealthy and restrict everyone else from being able to utilize it.

All types of voter fraud in U.S. elections is minuscule in comparison to the number of ballots cast, according to elections experts. Taking that into consideration, it is problematic to make comparisons between types of ballot-casting systems and erroneous to claim mail-in voting "substantially" increases the risk of fraud.

Do Mail-In Ballots Increase Risk of Voter Fraud?

U.S. President Donald Trump repeatedly made the claim as states scrambled to establish new elections rules during the COVID-19 pandemic.

www.snopes.com

What you stated is veritably false.

Oh and the only time that voter fraud has impacted an election, it was done by a republican, not "illegals" or other nonsense republicans have claimed:

GOP Finally Has Documented Case of Election Fraud — Committed by Republicans

The GOP pushes voter suppression to fight imaginary fraud, but that wouldn’t have stopped Republicans accused of tainting a North Carolina House race.

nymag.com

As for predictions of " possibilities". It is always better to prepare for the worst and hope for the best, as that is the fastest way to save the most lives. The more stringent the shut down in the area, the less time it usually takes to accomplish the reduction goals. With this virus, you cannot gauge the severity of the present day until you are two to three weeks from it, as all it takes is one superspreading event to completely change it's course.

What people that love freedom and prosperity should be greatly concerned about is the disinformation campaign and anti factual stance the GOP has been taking to constantly spread misinformation to the general public. They are banking on people being too gullible and stupid to actually believe the truth over conspiracy.