Gina Carano Fired From “The Mandalorian” Over “Abhorrent” Social Media Posts

[ObsidianJones]

Kinda yes that was her point and that as said before the camps and chambers you have to push to dehumanise or legitimise attacks on certain groups. Like I dunno say pushing the idea of using Eugenics to weed remove said people from the gene pool etc......

In terms of why it matters.
Well the claim being pushed is "Gina was mean for no reason calling people out for things no-one did" when as the many, many screenshots the account I posted has compiled of many many more posters sending her threats and abuse. No Gina calling people out for being nasty to her wasn't due to 3 people or just a couple of people being nasty or as some are pushing the claim she did it for no reason other than to be mean. Gina has had month after month of this bullshit and seemingly unlike a lot of celebrities she was actually using social media and not paying some manager to do it for her so if she was checking her mentions yeh for the past year or more she's just been seeing floods of abuse pouring into her mentions so she called it out. Which then the people really hating her just used as ammo to try and frame her as mean and nasty and attacking minority communities.

Yes this is what happens on twitter but now it seems people are mad because Gina called it out to an extent and you're not allowed to do that, you can only complain about people being nasty to you if you're "Righteously fighting on the right side of history" or some nonsense like that.

The truth is being lost and instead it's just narratives about what happened and what went down and relying on people not checking or trying to suppress or ignore claims that contradict the narratives.

I should have explained better.

I'm asking why it mattered because this is what Twitter Does.

If we're talking about responses, we can talk about what John Boyega went through just for daring to be black in a Star Wars Film

Twitter trolls urge boycott of Star Wars over black character

The hashtag #BoycottStarWarsVII was trending after claims that casting John Boyega was ‘anti-white propaganda’ while Ava DuVernay called for positivity

www.theguardian.com

They can't post some of the direct things they said, but I'm sure you can search for some of these tweets if you want. Some of them are found here, but it's a terrible day and I don't want to spend the rest of the day calming myself over some stupid racist stuff.

Kelly Marie Tran had her own issues with horrible trolls.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kelly-marie-tran-racists-last-jedi_n_5a4400fee4b06d1621b6b2bb

Daisy Ridley has been under the deluge of... shit, everything. That woman has been hounded every since she joined the Star Wars Universe.

Star Wars' Daisy Ridley says: 'I will not apologise for how I look'

British actor responds to Instagram user who accused her of setting ‘unrealistic expectations’ for young people by being too thin

www.theguardian.com

Internet Trolls Chase Daisy Ridley Off Instagram | The Mary Sue

Daisy Ridley has left Instagram. Why? Because a certain subset of vocal "fans" couldn't deal with her getting even remotely "political."

www.themarysue.com

Daisy Ridley was left cold by ‘Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker’ backlash

Daisy Ridley says the poor critical response to Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker left her cold.

www.yahoo.com

Whether from a conservative places or a liberal place, hate is hate is hate. There is a lot to say about Posturing. If you're confrontational from the outset, a lot of people will take that as an aggressive stance and act that way from that point on. I don't really tweet, so I never followed her. From the first few tweets I've read from her, I've perceived a chip on the shoulder.

The problem is that's human nature. People can do things to rub others the wrong way. When you're literally exposing yourself to the world, you can either frame a conversation to get enough people to think about what you're saying and try to digest the information suitably... or you can shoot from the hip, not care about how you sound and then wonder why people respond to you aggressively in turn.

This forum is a perfect example. I have strong political opinions. I don't name call. I try my best not to denigrate or come off aggressive, even if challenged in such a manner. I feel my message is more important than the fleeting satisfaction of burning someone or owing an idea. I'm not insulting or aggressive to others, they aren't insulting or aggressive back. And those I do have a problem with, I ignore to the best of my ability.

I don't know Gina. I haven't seen more than three of her tweets. And in three tweets, as I said, I perceived that chip on the shoulder. If you jump in the deep end of twitter, I would expect a great deal of people who would perceive the same, but not as many that will form out their thoughts in a respectful manner as well.

 

[Trunkage]

Except people were sending her abuse demanding she put pronouns in her bio. She refused and then they only got worse.






https://twitter.com/Dataracer117/status/1305381161313607682?s=20

https://twitter.com/Dataracer117/status/1305392519149023233?s=20

So yeh put that in your timeline

Before or after said made the comment?

 

[Buyetyen]

Freedom of Association, bitches! You can say whatever you want in public, but you your pissing and moaning won't amount to much when people decide they don't want to deal with you anymore.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Problem is when people do literally come out claiming they want moral codes in place to stop certain content being allowed.

Criticism isn't censorship by claiming things are harmful or shouldn't be allowed well that's very much presenting a view said elements should be censored.

When have people criticizing butt shots ever tried to go to "the authorities"?

I mean, I get it: when folks you like make dozens of hours of content saying certain viewpoints represent the death of the west, you aren't asking for any kind of censorship, but when people like me get tired of damn near every fanservice game taking place in a high school, that's asking for bans.

That's the game, and you went to a conservative activist who died 20 years ago to play it.

Disney fired Gina Carano because Disney thought she was a threat to their bottom line. It's all about the money and the brand because that's all Disney cares about. Disney *didn't* fire Pedro Pascal or Krystina Arielle because they aren't a threat to their bottom line. You're losing in the marketplace of ideas, be mad at Capitalism.

 

[Seanchaidh]

Did this thread really go ten pages without reference to the antisemitic comic she tweeted..? In other news, Bari Weiss continues to be a shitstain.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

I should have explained better.

I'm asking why it mattered because this is what Twitter Does.

If we're talking about responses, we can talk about what John Boyega went through just for daring to be black in a Star Wars Film

Twitter trolls urge boycott of Star Wars over black character

The hashtag #BoycottStarWarsVII was trending after claims that casting John Boyega was ‘anti-white propaganda’ while Ava DuVernay called for positivity

www.theguardian.com

They can't post some of the direct things they said, but I'm sure you can search for some of these tweets if you want. Some of them are found here, but it's a terrible day and I don't want to spend the rest of the day calming myself over some stupid racist stuff.

Kelly Marie Tran had her own issues with horrible trolls.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kelly-marie-tran-racists-last-jedi_n_5a4400fee4b06d1621b6b2bb

Daisy Ridley has been under the deluge of... shit, everything. That woman has been hounded every since she joined the Star Wars Universe.

Star Wars' Daisy Ridley says: 'I will not apologise for how I look'

British actor responds to Instagram user who accused her of setting ‘unrealistic expectations’ for young people by being too thin

www.theguardian.com

Internet Trolls Chase Daisy Ridley Off Instagram | The Mary Sue

Daisy Ridley has left Instagram. Why? Because a certain subset of vocal "fans" couldn't deal with her getting even remotely "political."

www.themarysue.com

Daisy Ridley was left cold by ‘Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker’ backlash

Daisy Ridley says the poor critical response to Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker left her cold.

www.yahoo.com

Whether from a conservative places or a liberal place, hate is hate is hate. There is a lot to say about Posturing. If you're confrontational from the outset, a lot of people will take that as an aggressive stance and act that way from that point on. I don't really tweet, so I never followed her. From the first few tweets I've read from her, I've perceived a chip on the shoulder.

The problem is that's human nature. People can do things to rub others the wrong way. When you're literally exposing yourself to the world, you can either frame a conversation to get enough people to think about what you're saying and try to digest the information suitably... or you can shoot from the hip, not care about how you sound and then wonder why people respond to you aggressively in turn.

This forum is a perfect example. I have strong political opinions. I don't name call. I try my best not to denigrate or come off aggressive, even if challenged in such a manner. I feel my message is more important than the fleeting satisfaction of burning someone or owing an idea. I'm not insulting or aggressive to others, they aren't insulting or aggressive back. And those I do have a problem with, I ignore to the best of my ability.

I don't know Gina. I haven't seen more than three of her tweets. And in three tweets, as I said, I perceived that chip on the shoulder. If you jump in the deep end of twitter, I would expect a great deal of people who would perceive the same, but not as many that will form out their thoughts in a respectful manner as well.

It's not a chip on her shoulder so much as not liking being pushed to do things while being told "It's the right thing to do and if you don't you're a monster". I think it's more she wants reasoning etc behind it not just to be blindly being told to do it or she's bad.

From what I saw of her posting on Parler it was mostly shitposting stuff likes memes and a few set pictures.

 

[ObsidianJones]

It's not a chip on her shoulder so much as not liking being pushed to do things while being told "It's the right thing to do and if you don't you're a monster". I think it's more she wants reasoning etc behind it not just to be blindly being told to do it or she's bad.

From what I saw of her posting on Parler it was mostly shitposting stuff likes memes and a few set pictures.

I'll defer to you on that. Again, I'm not a social media person.

But like I just posted, that is common place no matter what side of the fence you stand. People disliking Star Wars because there's more non-whites. They are monsters for trying to pick outside the white pool.

Because "Kowtowing to the Globalist failed experiment of Diversity is anti-white and you should be ashamed". Everyone has a 'right thing to do'. Each sides. Different, good, mild, extreme, good, and evil. And the fringes makes it toxic.

But it's up to us to decide if we're going to paint the masses deeply in the color of the fringes. I'm pretty liberal. And I wouldn't do to Gina what you've seen people on 'my side' did to her. It's personal judgment call time. It's either "certain people will be asshats no matter the flag they fly" or "it has to just be the group and the mentality that comes with it".

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Before or after said made the comment?

It was happening before said comments too I believe as in the context of the replies some-one says "do it and we'll stop" implying they were doing so beforehand problem is some of the account have purged some of the tweets to hide them it seems.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

When have people criticizing butt shots ever tried to go to "the authorities"?

People have gone running to companies to cancel stuff.

Hell people went running to Target to try and get GTA IV pulled in Australia and it worked. They then tried to have it banned in Canada and failed

Sign the Petition

Ban the sale of GTA V in Canada

www.change.org

I mean, I get it: when folks you like make dozens of hours of content saying certain viewpoints represent the death of the west, you aren't asking for any kind of censorship, but when people like me get tired of damn near every fanservice game taking place in a high school, that's asking for bans.

Well I can literally point to a little cited example of some-one literally calling for moral restrictions on gaming and yet people still try to excuse it.

Also isn't calling for the removal of fanservice from fanservice games that you don't like kind of missing the point and the reason said games have an audience?

Here's ex IGN video guy Danny O'Dwyer trying to present anime butt poses as the cause of rape

That's the game, and you went to a conservative activist who died 20 years ago to play it.

Yes because the side you seem to support is making the very same moves as she did lol.

Disney fired Gina Carano because Disney thought she was a threat to their bottom line. It's all about the money and the brand because that's all Disney cares about. Disney *didn't* fire Pedro Pascal or Krystina Arielle because they aren't a threat to their bottom line. You're losing in the marketplace of ideas, be mad at Capitalism.

Oh you mean like how Disney fired James Gunn before? It's not the marketplace of ideas people are losing in it's twitter and pushes for knee jerk reactions from a corporation known for lets say being very sensitive about image. If you're gloating about people "Losing in the marketplace of ideas" over this it seems more like you're gloating about being able to lie and push false narratives best. The true win in the marketplace of ideas takes time and the truth and it is not a fight you want to have play out from what I've seen going down especially because it mean to win you have to now compromise all moral positioning as you can't support Disney while also supporting Gina Carano's firing as morally just.

 

[Agema]

Aaaaaand I really don't care.

GODDAMN IT MAN!

Why can't you see that the most important shit going down in the world is that C0beyJ0nes287's Snapchat ban is proof of a hegemonic liberal socialist plot to destroy the USA, as proven by IronGizz4rd's uploaded image of ten words of a Twitter post?

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Did this thread really go ten pages without reference to the antisemitic comic she tweeted..? In other news, Bari Weiss continues to be a shitstain.

I'll just let the replies handle this one

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

GODDAMN IT MAN!

Why can't you see that the most important shit going down in the world is that C0beyJ0nes287's Snapchat ban is proof of a hegemonic liberal socialist plot to destroy the USA, as proven by IronGizz4rd's uploaded image of ten words of a Twitter post?

Or you know Disney having praised literal modern concentration camp officials less than 12 months ago but firing Gina Carano while happily green lighting a sequel and hiring an actress who has been in favour of said camps before on social media...........

Yeh not problem at all clearly the biggest issue is Gina Carano possibly hurt a few peoples feeling by making them ask


Civility truly is an illusion for some and it's an illusion people are more than happy to keep up as long as they can benefit and push away people they don't like who they deem not civil.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

People have gone running to companies to cancel stuff.

Hell people went running to Target to try and get GTA IV pulled in Australia and it worked. They then tried to have it banned in Canada and failed

Pretty sure you can still buy GTA 5 in Australia. Target probably just realized they weren't gonna sell 40,000 copies of it over a year after release

Well I can literally point to a little cited example of some-one literally calling for moral restrictions on gaming and yet people still try to excuse it.

Also isn't calling for the removal of fanservice from fanservice games that you don't like kind of missing the point and the reason said games have an audience?

I didn't actually ask for that. But that doesn't matter because I'm a lying liar who lies and definitely hates fanservice games. That's the end result of your "censors never call for censorship, but anybody who complains about things I don't like definitely wants censorship" argument: you are always right and anybody who says different is lying.

I just want more fanservice games staring adults. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Oh you mean like how Disney fired James Gunn before? It's not the marketplace of ideas people are losing in it's twitter and pushes for knee jerk reactions from a corporation known for lets say being very sensitive about image. If you're gloating about people "Losing in the marketplace of ideas" over this it seems more like you're gloating about being able to lie and push false narratives best. The true win in the marketplace of ideas takes time and the truth and it is not a fight you want to have play out from what I've seen going down especially because it mean to win you have to now compromise all moral positioning as you can't support Disney while also supporting Gina Carano's firing as morally just.

James Gunn was rehired after Disney realized they where listening to Mike "date rape doesn't exist" Cernovich and his ginned up attack. They were going to lose money by sticking with the firing. That's the reason they hired Gunn back.

See, I *don't* support Disney. They're your average multi-billion dollar international media conglomerate with a worrying stranglehold on a vast portion of media.
But this isn't an either/or situation. And considering Carano's going full "I don't need your movies, I'll make my own movies! With Blackjack! And Hookers! With Ben Shapiro!", I don't expect she's gonna get hired back like Gunn.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

I'll defer to you on that. Again, I'm not a social media person.

But like I just posted, that is common place no matter what side of the fence you stand. People disliking Star Wars because there's more non-whites. They are monsters for trying to pick outside the white pool.

Yet basically no-one had an issue with Samuel L Jackson and Mace Windu. What it comes down to more is bad writing from what I can tell.
Well outside of China where Disney shrank Finn's image on posters and it's alleged reduced down his film role to appeal to China more. Hell that's allegedly why he and Rose aren't together in Rise of Skywalker.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Because "Kowtowing to the Globalist failed experiment of Diversity is anti-white and you should be ashamed". Everyone has a 'right thing to do'. Each sides. Different, good, mild, extreme, good, and evil. And the fringes makes it toxic.

The problem being it all comes off as so hollow and corporate so often. To bring up a very apt thing it's like the Sony Alex Rider series.
In the original book:
Alex's Guardian / Nanny is a red haired American woman
Alex's MI6 is a black woman
Wolf is a Black male soldier who in the book the series is based on takes down the villains henchwoman
In the book the villain was his henchwoman were members of the Apartheid regime
In the books Eagle I think it is (The expert Sniper) is implied to be a black man
In the book the series is based on it's all male all white characters at the boarding school

In the series
Alex's Nanny is a Black American lady
His Handler who is meant to be pretty competent and professional is a white lady.
Wolf doesn't get to take down the henchwoman
The villain in the series is implied to be an believer in the Nazi regime
Eagle ends up being a white woman
The kids at the boarding school are a diverse cast with as many girls as boys.

When you look at the series the changes that seem to be done for the sake of diversity actually come off badly and almost offensive. Competent black characters replaced by white ones. The Nanny being made into a black woman. Wolf not getting his sort of symbolic moment of triumph. Changing the villains to be the more obvious known evil rather than the lesser discussed evils. The biggest what were they thinking moment leads to them basically having one of the characters being a black woman Nazi because of the changes.

Thing is I can point all this out and because it's a decent chunk of text and actually takes time some-one can just go "You just hate Black people and women" and that claim is then spread because it's easy for people to believe that.

Another example being the claims about Vagrant Queen failing because of racists and homophobes.
Problem is the show Vagrant Queen replaced was Killjoys which was even in it's 5th season pulling in more ratings and had Hannah John Kamen as the lead (Ghost from Antman and The Wasp) and had a supporting character who was gay and was a well developed character who people thought was decent or enjoyable on screen.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Sorry for the 3 part post the forum was being weird

But it's up to us to decide if we're going to paint the masses deeply in the color of the fringes. I'm pretty liberal. And I wouldn't do to Gina what you've seen people on 'my side' did to her. It's personal judgment call time. It's either "certain people will be asshats no matter the flag they fly" or "it has to just be the group and the mentality that comes with it".

You are entirely right it is up to personal judgement and people will be asshats the issue being we're seeing the asshats get the power and it's making more asshats because either they become asshats or they have no-one saying much when the mob does come. It's becoming more about show than about action and it's really starting to grind because well the people upset about Gina Carano apparently are fine with Disney praising the camps in China.

People can ask what I've done or taken a stand on and one of the few things I have done is I refused to see Deadpool 2. I've still not seen it. I liked Deadpool 1 but then due to cost cutting and pressure from corporate a stuntwoman died on set doing after having already tried the stunt and had an accident and pushed to be allowed to wear a helmet while doing it. Yes they paid out to the family but I'm still refusing to reward them because of what they did. It's not much, it's like 1 cinema ticket and 1 sales of the disk but it's all I can realistically do.

I've said about it before but a lot of the hostility can be explained by how politics is playing out in the USA

How Hatred Came To Dominate American Politics

To anyone following American politics, it’s not exactly news that Democrats and Republicans don’t like each other. Take what happened in the presidential debate…

fivethirtyeight.com

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Pretty sure you can still buy GTA 5 in Australia.

Yes however as you can see people pushed for a full country to ban it after managing to get Target to ban it. Also you better hope you have some other place you could buy it from in Australia.

I didn't actually ask for that. But that doesn't matter because I'm a lying liar who lies and definitely hates fanservice games. That's the end result of your "censors never call for censorship, but anybody who complains about things I don't like definitely wants censorship" argument: you are always right and anybody who says different is lying.

I just want more fanservice games staring adults. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Fair enough then. It's a shame some of the others objecting to fanservice games don't want them at all.

James Gunn was rehired after Disney realized they where listening to Mike "date rape doesn't exist" Cernovich and his ginned up attack. They were going to lose money by sticking with the firing. That's the reason they hired Gunn back.

Which took how many months again?

See, I *don't* support Disney. They're your average multi-billion dollar international media conglomerate with a worrying stranglehold on a vast portion of media.
But this isn't an either/or situation. And considering Carano's going full "I don't need your movies, I'll make my own movies! With Blackjack! And Hookers! With Ben Shapiro!", I don't expect she's gonna get hired back like Gunn.

Gunn went off to Warner Brothers after being fired by Disney so yeh he kinda did so the same lol

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Yet basically no-one had an issue with Samuel L Jackson and Mace Windu. What it comes down to more is bad writing from what I can tell.
Well outside of China where Disney shrank Finn's image on posters and it's alleged reduced down his film role to appeal to China more. Hell that's allegedly why he and Rose aren't together in Rise of Skywalker.

People were mad at the SJW Black Stormtrooper as soon as the teaser trailer dropped. The main difference is that there wasn't a cottage culture of YouTube outrage grifters.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Which took how many months again?

Less than the time between GoG 2 releasing and GoG 3 starting production.

Gunn went off to Warner Brothers after being fired by Disney so yeh he kinda did so the same lol

Big difference between apologizing for decades old (bad) jokes and getting a sweetheart deal from another major studio and doubling down on "I did nothing wrong" and working for a right wing grifter.

 

[Trunkage]

It was happening before said comments too I believe as in the context of the replies some-one says "do it and we'll stop" implying they were doing so beforehand problem is some of the account have purged some of the tweets to hide them it seems.

So... there was an incident before the Twitter thing. Seems like an important factor that you SHOULD have brought up previously instead of pretending people are attacking out of the blue.

Yeah, here's where I got with my sleuthing. Gina was having a disagreement with some people. There isnt a clear indication where this was, possibly offline or deleted.

Pedro tried to explain transgender and somewhat worked but the pronouns thing was an issue. Gina made a mistake and blamed everyone for this disagreement and then called them Nazis. There was an even bigger backlash against this tweet.

I dont support Disney. This was a minorish thing. Didn't deserve a firing. I don't support Gina. She made a disagreement with some people and pretended everyone was doing it to her. While I understand that dogpiling is probably a large issue here causing her attacks, it doesn't justify it. Also, not to into insulting fan bases, so I understand why Disney is doing what they are doing. Doesn't justify an overaction but I understand it.

This was all an escalation from something that didn't need to be escalated. I'm not going to blame Gina for all this escalation but am going to blame her patrially. If you looked at the Event the Shall Not Be Named, that's how it got started. Wild generalisation and stupid escalation. No one gets my vote