Gina Carano Fired From “The Mandalorian” Over “Abhorrent” Social Media Posts
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Except Finn doesn't really take a stand in TLJ. He tries and is prevented of doing so by Rose, then proceeds to keep on running along with everybody else as he's been doing so for 2 movies.
All he does is run from the bad guys, and then look for Rey whenever she's not around so they can keep running from the bad guys.
Even the actor has called out Disney for being given nothing of importance to do and essentially been relegated to second tier filler after the first movie.
The intended arc for him is pretty obvious in the first 2 films. As Gethsemani said, he was clearly being set up as growing beyond his own, personal fear for survival, to becoming concerned with helping others. Basically developing empathy for others, seeing the harm being done all around him. He was clearly transitioning to that kind of setup by the climax of TLJ, but they just did nothing with it in RoS.
His "noble sacrifice" was in line with Poe's false belief about what it means to be a hero. From the start of the film, he's all bluster and "They died heroes" , which Leia literally smacks down, pointing out they're all dead now, implying that dying for a cause, is not as good and noble as living for one. But, Finn is still kind of in the Poe camp mentally. So he's like "I can do it! I can die and be a hero!" and Rose comes in, with a vehicle scale equivalent of Leia's slap, and prevents him from dying a pointless death *as it probably wasn't going to actually damage the blaster cannon*. She basically reinforces Leia's stance about "better to live for a cause, than die for one."
By the end, both men are sort of purged of their macho, gungho mentality, realizing there are better ways to do the fight against the FO, and better ways to live. It would've likely continued with Finn and Rose, expanding their relationship, as they end it with Finn clearly caring for Rose due to her injuries, and Rey just smiling at the scene, like she's happy they kind of hooked up.
They just, didn't do anything with any of that in the 3rd film.
Personal Desire/Speculation below:
What I would've liked to see, is Finn, having been previously established as also having Force abilities, but not as aware of it as Rey, learns that, while he's not really as good at the whole lightsaber stuff, he's developed a keen empathetic link to those around him, and basically does some Battle Meditation type of thing with the Resistance, to help them fight. He becomes more of a mystic/sage type of Jedi, not a "wirly, twirly, slashy stabby" type. Which they kind of dabbled with a teeeny bit in RoS, with him having faint hints through the force about stuff. Show him, literally using his newly found bonds with those he cares about, and using the force to amplify that, to help in the battle. So that his arc is finally complete. The mindless soldier in a faceless army, sheds the shackles of that early life, overcomes his own base, instinctual desires for self preservation at any cost, and eventually finds his home, in another large community, but one where they all have a voice, and he shares his with them all, and they are stronger for it. Rey goes and deals with the specific Sith/Kylo thing, Finn helps deal with the "everyone else in danger" thing. As that was his entire point in TLJ, as far as emotional change.
Sadly, they didn't do that.
See I just don't buy the whole Better Live Another Day arc for Finn. Holdo sacrificed herself rather spectacularly 10 minutes before that. Han the movie before. Kylo the movie after. Obi-wan. Vader. Everyone in Rogue One. The series is riddled with characters who ritually sacrifice themselves for the sake of someone else. And for all Rose knew she was sacrificing herself by preventing Finn's sacrifice (if she didn't kill him first in doing so anyway). So on top of finding the message incredibly hypocritical, I don't think it's much of an arc for Finn. Crucially he doesn't even get to make the choice that defines the "arc".
It's not the sacrifice itself that's the problem, it's the mentality behind it.
Sacrificing yourself when you don't have to because "fuck those guys" is bad, sacrificing yourself to save other people is good.
Star Wars, for as little depth as it has, is pretty consistent on that
Of course, then Rise of Skywalker epically botched everything.
Sacrificing yourself when you don't have to because "fuck those guys" is bad, sacrificing yourself to save other people is good.
Star Wars, for as little depth as it has, is pretty consistent on that
Of course, then Rise of Skywalker epically botched everything.
Luke sacrifices himself for the same reason Finn tries a few minutes earlier: buy some time. Except Luke's is presented as purposeful while Finn is stopped (in a way that could've easily killed him, too).
Consistency is not the new strongest suit of the Disney movies.
Finn's arcs are as follows:
-TFA: Leaves the First Order, originally just for self-preservation, but over the course of the film, becomes willing to be a hero, to put himself on the line for another (Rey)
-TLJ: Being exposed to the moral greyness of the galaxy, that it isn't just good and evil, but at the end, willing to still take a stand and stand by the ideals he believes in
-RoS: Bungled, but we do see the results of his arc, given that his defection as a stormtrooper inspired others to do likewise
Of the three, RoS really bungles it. Finn keeps telling Rey "I have something to tell you," but it's never dealt with. I assumed that he was attracted to her, adding to the love...pentagon that we have going on by this point, but no, he's Force sensitive. Which he is, by the film's end, but like I said, bungled.
One can argue how well the arc was handled, but it's still an arc, whereas Windu has no arc whatsoever.
Not in terms of plot, but seeing Finn beat Phasma does give some catharsis that could be argued to be lacking in TFA.
But yes, I agree with Kylo. He loses every duel he's in, and it doesn't do his character any favours.
Finn was trying to blow up a FO weapon.
Luke was trying one last "turn my family member back towards to light" trickster god gambit
It is literally the bomber squad vs run away scene from the start of the movie with Poe replacing Leia and Finn replacing Poe
I agree that's the intended arc for the character. The thing is: he's putting himself on the line for Rey the whole movie. That he picks a fight he cannot win at the end just for her rather than flee comes as no surprise. He already went there to rescue her in the first place. Contrast the same arc of "just in it for myself vs. sticking up for others" that Han has in the first movie: that he comes back during the final fight is a surprise, and a sharp turn for the character. Finn doesn't really get that. And because he's been pretty altruistic the whole movie, TLJ doesn't really have any cards left for him up its sleeve. He goes back to the "in for myself (and Rey)" mentality briefly and then back again to sticking up for others. Except it's a hollow gesture because it's made obsolete by Rose, and it doesn't affect the plot - or for that matter the next movie's plot.
It's the mindset that matters. What emotions you're acting out of. Your motivations.
Kinda of Star Wars's core conceit
Yeah but in the movie it came across that Rose stopped Finn because she was attracted to him. Surely that's a selfish motive? If another pilot had tried the same thing, would she have stopped them as well?
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Would Luke have blown off Yoda and headed to Bespin to save Stock Rebel Trooper #26? This question perplexes me.
That's clearly established to be a bad decision on Luke's part though, he's letting his personal feelings cloud his judgement and rushing into a trap. Yoda even says something about honouring the sacrifices other people are making.
In the Last Jedi, it really comes across that Rose is letting her personal feelings towards Finn guide her actions, rather than thinking of the larger picture. It undermines whatever point Rian Johnson was trying to make about living to fight on. Especially considering the scene was bookended by other characters making heroic sacrifices.
The HISHE on TLJ has Rose kissing Finn and him responding, "wait, we have that kind of relationship now?"
@Gethsemani points out Finn has an arc if you work on seeing one but it is very weak. IMHO, he should have been the root. He had the most interesting potential of any of the characters in the sequels. I'd never seen a Storm Trooper, in the films anyway, react to the FO (or Empire) as he did. They should have made him pivotal to a very consequential act of heroism. But instead, HISHE points out again, he gets to shout, "Reeeeeey" a lot. EDIT: I also hear he says to Rey, "I never told you..." and we never find out what he never told her.
So, now the mob is after Rosario Dawson? One should never give in to them as they're never satisfied.
@Gethsemani points out Finn has an arc if you work on seeing one but it is very weak. IMHO, he should have been the root. He had the most interesting potential of any of the characters in the sequels. I'd never seen a Storm Trooper, in the films anyway, react to the FO (or Empire) as he did. They should have made him pivotal to a very consequential act of heroism. But instead, HISHE points out again, he gets to shout, "Reeeeeey" a lot. EDIT: I also hear he says to Rey, "I never told you..." and we never find out what he never told her.
So, now the mob is after Rosario Dawson? One should never give in to them as they're never satisfied.
"Hatred" doesn't get the better of Poe or Finn. Finn is clearly sacrificing himself for the sake of others. He even seems at peace as he's doing it. The only reason Rose's suicide move pays off is because, unrelatedly, Luke shows up and sacrifices himself instead. And Poe is hotheaded but he isn't hateful. He sees an opportunity to save lives and takes it.
I think the events of the movie also prove that Poe was right. The dreadnought had powerful long range guns that have previously destroyed a number of rebel ships. If it had been around in the second act, the rebel fleet would have been toast.