In the war of toxic masculinity vs Trump badmouthing, toxic masculinity has lost.

[Revnak]

Trump is packing two inches cut and apparently it’s disgusting. He refuses to go anywhere without an absurd overcoat and a teleprompter because he’s gained half his original body weight in adrenochrome injections and lost half his original brain cells, also due to adrenochrome injections. He’s a disgusting wretch and a coward who insults an audience of shame pigs into believing he’s the big man on campus because he paid underage models to touch his undersized testicles. Of course he is unmanly by any traditional definition, he is lacking in any and all virtues. He is the inferior genes of an inbred Klansman, and the worst of parental practices were employed in raising him. He is loved because he knows this, and hates himself and everyone else for it. It is his shameless universal loathing that is so appealing to a people indoctrinated into their own inadequacy.
So yes, in the battle of Trump vs any set of moral principles, Trump loses. He is a void of worth. Anything should be able to beat him.

 

[Buyetyen]

He is the inferior genes of an inbred Klansman,

Agree with the broader sentiment, as a personal issue I just wanted to ask that we not bring eugenics talking points into it. Trump is such a target rich environment as it is, we shouldn't need pseudoscience to explain his utter failure as a human being.

 

[Revnak]

Agree with the broader sentiment, as a personal issue I just wanted to ask that we not bring eugenics talking points into it. Trump is such a target rich environment as it is, we shouldn't need pseudoscience to explain his utter failure as a human being.

Hey, that he’s wretched by even terrible eugenicist standards is kinda my point.

 

[Buyetyen]

Hey, that he’s wretched by even terrible eugenicist standards is kinda my point.

I get it. I just have this thing about letting those misconceptions continue to float around in pop culture.

 

[Revnak]

I get it. I just have this thing about letting those misconceptions continue to float around in pop culture.

Fair enough, I’m not wrapped up in myself enough to care that much about defending this. Genuinely hope this exchange serves as enough of a disclaimer to people if they misunderstand the point.

 

[Fieldy409]

What I don't get is why people think mentioning toxic masculinity is saying that all masculinity is toxic. If I say those are rotten apples I'm not saying all apples are rotten.

 

[Houseman]

What I don't get is why people think mentioning toxic masculinity is saying that all masculinity is toxic. If I say those are rotten apples I'm not saying all apples are rotten.

Because "masculinity" is one thing, but "apples" are multiple things?

It would be better to say "toxic characteristics" or "toxic attitudes" if one wanted to avoid offense. But maybe they don't.

 

[Fieldy409]

Because "masculinity" is one thing, but "apples" are multiple things?

It would be better to say "toxic characteristics" or "toxic attitudes" if one wanted to avoid offense. But maybe they don't.

Is it one thing though?

 

[Houseman]

Is it one thing though?

Unless a distinction is made, yes.
If one has to keep saying "why does everyone misunderstand me?!" then the fault is most likely on their end.

 

[Revnak]

Is it one thing though?

There is one masculinity and it is the Spartan way.

 

[Agema]

There is one masculinity and it is the Spartan way.

You mean getting trounced by an army built around an elite force of homosexuals, and then declining to irrelevance and leaving nothing but a few ruined pillars and a reputation for violence?

 

[Revnak]

You mean getting trounced by an army built around an elite force of homosexuals, and then declining to irrelevance and leaving nothing but a few ruined pillars and a reputation for violence?

The side with the sexiest homosexuals always wins, that is the Spartan way.

 

[Dreiko]

You mean getting trounced by an army built around an elite force of homosexuals, and then declining to irrelevance and leaving nothing but a few ruined pillars and a reputation for violence?

Actually, Sparta is a real place in Greece where real people live. I had my dog trained there back a couple decades ago lol.

 

[Palindromemordnilap]

The side with the sexiest homosexuals always wins, that is the Spartan way.

I am an archaeologist and I approve of this message

 

[Chimpzy]

Actually, Sparta is a real place in Greece where real people live. I had my dog trained there back a couple decades ago lol.

True, but Agema is referring to the city state from antiquity, once a major power in Bronze Age Greece renowned for its military prowess and brutal traditions (even for its time), but declined so bad that in medieval times its population was only a few thousand living among the ruins. Modern day Sparta was founded in 1834 and the only things it really has in common with the classical city are its name and its location.

 

[SupahEwok]

True, but Agema is referring to the city state from antiquity, once a major power in Bronze Age Greece renowned for its military prowess and brutal traditions (even for its time), but declined so bad that in medieval times its population was only a few thousand living among the ruins. Modern day Sparta was founded in 1834 and the only things it really has in common with the classical city are its name and its location.

Yeah, there's not nearly enough homoeroticism there today to be the true heir of the Sparta in antiquity.

 

[Chimpzy]

Yeah, there's not nearly enough homoeroticism there today to be the true heir of the Sparta in antiquity.

And pederasty. Don't forget the pederasty. You weren't a real man if you hadn't had your nads fondled by an older man before said nads had dropped.

The side with the sexiest homosexuals always wins, that is the Spartan way.

Spoiler: Survival of the Most Fabulous

 

[Agema]

Actually, Sparta is a real place in Greece where real people live. I had my dog trained there back a couple decades ago lol.

Sure. It's a new city, built near the ancient ruins in the 19th century. I think they kicked everyone out of the nearby Mystras (which had been the main municipality of the area for over a thousand years; it was capital of Byzantine Greece in the last days of that empire) to inhabit it. I assume they did this for some sort of cultural reason to draw on their history.

Mystras is a far better tourist visit than ancient Sparta, if you like looking at old buildings.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Eh, most of what we know about homosexuality in Ancient Greece comes from Athens, because most of what we know comes from Athens. Not sure how much it must apply to other city-states.

What I don't get is why people think mentioning toxic masculinity is saying that all masculinity is toxic. If I say those are rotten apples I'm not saying all apples are rotten.

Generally, the people doing that are the people that are defending toxic masculine behaviour, but I'm sure it's a coincidence.

 

[Hawki]

What I don't get is why people think mentioning toxic masculinity is saying that all masculinity is toxic. If I say those are rotten apples I'm not saying all apples are rotten.

Because toxic masculinity is a buzzword, and no-one seems to be able to agree as to what it is, or what constitutes examples of it, and people who coined and use the term traditionally aren't male.

Off the top of my head, there was a study done where people looked at videos of boys fighting, and viewers were asked whether the fighting was done in play, or was serious. Males who watched the video got it right about 9 times out of 10. Females who watched it got it right about 2 times out of 10. Now, this isn't some smoking gun that blows the idea out of the water, but it's indicative as to what counts as problematic to one sex may not be to another.

I can certainly agree that males can exhibit toxic behaviour - males are more likely to engage in domestic violence, are more likely to murder, etc. But if toxic masculinity extends to stuff like competitiveness and risk taking, then that's when I start to raise eyebrows.