It's absolutely a breach of training. It's one of the key points that's been used in the trial.
To your second point, I agree, I'm absolutely concerned with both.
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To your second point, I agree, I'm absolutely concerned with both.
That happens when you handwave evidence on the flimsiest pretenses. One link (out of six) mentioned the State Dept, so all the rest-- including first hand testimony from survivers and escapees, and leaked cables-- can simply be ignored.
Well, indeed, hence why nobody here is calling for invasion.
You are, on the other hand, doing the rug-sweeping. Right now. This is dismissing the first-hand accounts of refugees and victims of ethnic cleansing.
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To a certain extent, of course they can. The mainstream media of the United States and its allies routinely gets things wrong about targets of the State Department and CIA and doesn't bother to correct itself. If the Jan. 6 storming of the Capital had happened in Venezuela or Bolivia or Iran or China or Russia, it would have been described as pro-democracy protestors peacefully occupying the seat of government in order to address issues with the election. And the continued military presence in D.C. would be evidence of the repressiveness and brutality of America's regime. But it happened in the United States, so it was treated as the farcical putsch that it was.
Much like the people who thought Saddam Hussein had significant and threatening stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction but also, with ever so much principle, thought that war was a bad idea.
I am interpreting these things with an amount of perspective and reasonable skepticism rather than credulously believing whatever the war propagandists and their bleating followers say I should believe. The gravity of an accusation is not evidence for it. And testimony about concentration camps existing and being bad in various ways doesn't by itself make a genocide.
Not a word of this addresses the validity of the testimony-- other than to say, "the US ignored X, so I can ignore Y".
I'm trying to get the line of argument straight here. So, the fact that it could be used by others to justify invasion is reason to... assume it's not happening in the first place? Is that right?
(Putting aside evidence, of course, since the WMDs weren't attested by first-hand leaked cables and numerous survivor testimonies).
Scepticism! That's a good one. You've dismissed, handwaved and denied from the start. One link mentioned the State Dept (not even as the basis for its primary use), so you refused to even open the other five, though they were from various unaffiliated organisations. Not a peep on the first-hand sources. You've just responded "US State Dept" or "Adrian Zenz" in order to out-of-hand dismiss sources that don't have anything to do with them. Nothing could be posted that wouldn't meet the same response.
There is no "reasonable scepticism" here; that involves weighing and evaluating evidence. This is kneejerk denial. And it's tremendously credulous, repeating what the corporatists and state propagandists at outlets like the Global Times would sell.
India Wants to Copy American Vaccines. Biden Shouldn't Fall For It.
India's petition to suspend Covid-19 vaccine patents would set a dangerous precedent, writes Howard Dean.
We are not going to sent RNA research for India for free, at best if they invest in multiple carrier battle groups and a US military base in India to sink Chinese trading vessels going to the Persian gulf I would agree to it. Edit: In case of a future war with China.
Also if you say I am being selfish, fair point. If you say I am racist, I have literally supported and called for more H1-B visas, and more immigration to the US. Square that circle.
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The way you've described your sources makes them sound anecdotal and subject to interpretation. If you think you have a specific smoking gun or whatever, fucking post it.
I won't, because a) it's off-topic, and b) I think we're both aware that the definition of racism has expanded significantly in the past half-decade.
Why on earth should I waste the time? You've made it clear you're not going to actually look at any of it, just like all of the stuff already provided.
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That's the whitest thing I've read.
So far as I've noticed you have yet to post anything concrete in your own words. All you've seemed to say is that people in concentration camps had a bad experience, therefore there is a systematic attempt by the Chinese government to utterly destroy an ethnic group, which isn't all that persuasive. Make. An. Argument.
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Their own words good enough?
‘Absolutely No Mercy’: Leaked Files Expose How China Organized Mass Detentions of Muslims (Published 2019)
More than 400 pages of internal Chinese documents provide an unprecedented inside look at the crackdown on ethnic minorities in the Xinjiang region.
ffs, this also isn't an argumentTheir own words good enough?
‘Absolutely No Mercy’: Leaked Files Expose How China Organized Mass Detentions of Muslims (Published 2019)
More than 400 pages of internal Chinese documents provide an unprecedented inside look at the crackdown on ethnic minorities in the Xinjiang region.www.nytimes.com
But for what it's worth, no, the translated Chinese description of a rather heavy-handed deradicalization program is not a persuasive case that there is an attempt to utterly destroy Uygur culture.
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There's a line that comes to mind - "If someone tells me that I've hurt their feelings, I say, 'I'm still waiting to hear what your point is.'
Even that aside, I can't be bothered to chart the shift in discourse over the time period (in part since Sean's already adopted the position of "nuh-uh!"), but the definition was literally redefined in 2020.
Racism definition: Merriam-Webster to make update after request
Editors of the dictionary made the decision after receiving an email from a young black woman.
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If you want to argue that the discourse and definition hasn't shifted heavily (frankly, I have no idea how anyone could argue that), at least back it up with evidence.
Is that why you refuse to do it with sources that go against your predetermined narrative? I guess that's a better excuse than pretending you can't
It will seem that I've only said that if you insistently refuse to look at sources, yes.
The absolute irony of decrying others for "credulously believing whatever war propagandists say", before then parroting the official party line from state-capitalist censors. We're in the topsy-turvy world when you of all people are prioritising the party line over the testimony of surviving victims.
How does one justify a "deradicalisation program" that encompasses every member of an ethnic/ religious group? How does enforced sterilisation fit into that?
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That's not topsy-turvy at all. That's typical behavior. All of the self-proclaimed communists in this forum (and many elsewhere) consistently defend even the most brutal dictatorship if it's sufficiently oppositional to the United States.
On the other hand, conservatives are more than happy to defend even the most brutal dictatorship if it's sufficiently supportive of Republican policies. I don't honestly believe in the horseshoe theory, but it's mighty convenient how y'all are like two ying-yang peas in a pod sometimes.
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I’ll not speak for anyone else, but if my saying the Chinese are committing the same acts of genocide as the US sounds like a defense of China I think that says a lot about how you feel about genocide when the US does it.
Native re-education schools, like what China is doing, are genocide. Concentration camps on the basis of ethnicity are typically on that track. The arbitrary jailing of political dissidents is heinous. The general behavior of Chinese police is disgusting. The extremely abusive structure of Chinese prisons is insulting to any notion of human dignity. I’m not sorry I’m consistent here and also dislike that the US does these same things on a very comparable scale.
Native re-education schools, like what China is doing, are genocide. Concentration camps on the basis of ethnicity are typically on that track. The arbitrary jailing of political dissidents is heinous. The general behavior of Chinese police is disgusting. The extremely abusive structure of Chinese prisons is insulting to any notion of human dignity. I’m not sorry I’m consistent here and also dislike that the US does these same things on a very comparable scale.