Square Enix Uninterested in "Sexy Nun"-Style Controversy

Andy Chalk

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Square Enix Uninterested in "Sexy Nun"-Style Controversy


The controversy created by Hitman: Absolution's "Attack of the Saints" trailer wasn't the sort of attention that Square Enix was looking for.

You probably remember the Hitman: Absolution did not see [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/trailers/5783-Hitman-Absolution-Saints-Trailer] the controversy coming. That may be a bit hard to swallow but Square Enix Marketing Director Cord Smith insists that the publisher was caught by surprise too, at least in part because the creative team was focused on the specifics of advertising guidelines, which left it doing things like painting latex bondage gear onto exposed backsides.

"It's hard for any of us being immersed in a world or a creative field or a particular project to pull yourself out of that bubble," he said at the International Game Summit in Montreal. "But when you do try to see an asset like that with fresh eyes and say, 'What if you knew nothing about this? How you would react?' And it was only at that point I think we looked at it and [understood]."

The net result of the furor wasn't necessarily good or bad for the game, but while there may be no such thing as bad press, Smith said this wasn't the sort of attention Square Enix was interested in. "In general, you'd imagine any controversy provides increased awareness of the game's existence," he continued. "So if you're just looking from an awareness standpoint, maybe it's helpful in spite of the tone of some of the comments and debates that went on. But I don't think it was something we would want to exploit, that sort of awareness. It's a difficult thing from a public relations side. Do you try to dispel it or provide people with enough context to have a more educated conversation about it? Or do you kind of let it burn out?"

IO Interactive did take a bit of stab at the "educated conversation" route, explaining shortly after the trailer hit that it was aiming for a sort of grindhouse vibe with the trailer and that a lack of context also worked against it. It also quickly interview [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/117776-Hitman-Studio-Apologizes-For-Nun-Massacre] with a former stripper yesterday who questioned the practicality of platform stilettos in combat and described the trailer as "an excuse to show violence against women by making them the initiators of violence."

Source: GamesIndustry [http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-11-20-hitman-marketer-on-controversy-retailer-exclusive-preorders]


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Nurb

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Chicks get their barely-legal teenage sparkly vampire/werewolf romance-porn, can't guys just get to imagine being a bald badass that requires an army of sexy nuns to take down without hearing how our escapism is the one that is somehow destroying society and oppressing a gender?

I am not an animal!
 

Tanis

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So a random STRIPPER is suppose to be taken as a credible source?

Maybe she's just mad that her pimp doesn't move like The Man does.
 

Radoh

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I too never understood the controversy, mostly because I'm familiar with the series but still, it's not like they're actual nuns, as I'm rather certain nuns aren't allowed to attempt murder.
Or the fact that they are very clearly trained assassins and thus a threat worthy of Forty Seven's talents at the murdering.
 

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TopazFusion said:
Lets be honest here.

If it was a female assassin doing battle with a bunch of guys disguised as priests, no one would have batted an eye.
..depends if they are overly sexualised priests. Through this ad, a average gamer who has never played this game only sees stripper nuns. Not a great first image for a assassination game and not what the developer should have advertised as a feature. Lets face it, if they just stuck with the nun thing and not gone with the stripper route, I doubt that most people will have a problem.

Anyway, my view is the same as ever. Stupid advertisement, publisher and developer faced consequences for it. Lessons are learned and the world keeps on spinning.
 

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TopazFusion said:
Lets be honest here.

If it was a female assassin doing battle with a bunch of guys disguised as priests, no one would have batted an eye.
...naked, sleek and muscular priests wearing nothing but swim wear and kinky fetish outfits I'd hope...

Anywho, uhh...yeah, when I got started with Hitman 2: Silent Assassin and was playing the Redemption church finale mission (which was a terrific way to bring the story arc full circle), I totally remember thinking, "you know what this grim and darkly satisfying ending to this epic tale of realism, stealth, international adventure and neck-slitting needs? Tits. Nun tits, specifically. Nun tits concealed behind cunningly designed fetish-outfits and tight black leather."

Can't have a good game without 'em these days!
 

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Can we chalk the marketing, and a few other decisions, up to a simple case of the stupids? It happens to everyone. I don't find the trailer, or the context of those nun/hooker/assassins in the game, to either be interesting, sexual, funny, or edgy. Just dumb. Pure and simple dumbness.
 

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A poorly thought-out advertisement for a game? Stop the presses.

Yeah It was stupid but people should just let it go. Judging by their repeated statements, I guess they have learned their lessons too. I hope.
 

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1. I brought popcorn everyone, enjoy.


2.
"an excuse to show violence against women by making them the initiators of violence."
I read the interview:
1. She does voice her views a bit more eloquent than that, claiming that maybe the depiction of strippers in particular as victims of violence may have been a little ill-chosen, seeing as female strippers in particulare are often the victims of violent attacks.
It's not simply about women getting beaten up but more about strippers getting beaten up.
But I guess that wouldn't have made for as catchy a quote.

2. Asking her about the practicality of stripper outfits for assassinations, wielding guns in public and whether being a stripper prepares one for the life of an assassin is hilarious and kinda stupid.
 

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I don't care. I've completely stopped caring. I'm tired of people bitching about every little thing. So what? They had form fitting faux-bondage gear (it was not restrictive enough nor contained enough straps for me to consider it true bondage gear), they were an artistic choice, they're not real, it's just a game, so on... I just don't care. Enjoy the game. Don't enjoy the game. Dismiss all the work they put into it simply on an aesthetic choice. It's an opinion, not a controversy.

Can we talk about something important?
 

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I've seen nuns portrayed worse in anime from the 80's and 90's and no one gave a two rats and a shit about it then. Why are we suddenly shocked over it now? People need to chill and find their funny bone again.
 

Nurb

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DVS BSTrD said:
itchcrotch said:
Best way a publisher can react to this sort of thing? Just - fucking - ignore it! Seriously, it's the attention that fuels these people.
Imagine this going down:
-Your trailer is highly offensive!
>Why?
-...Why?... Because... Religious connotations, and sexual themes, and violence all at the same time!
>So?

Seriously, some people just want something to be offended about, and words like "why?" and "so?" are like kryptonite to them.
How about: Because it's dumb and needlessly provocative?
If we didn't do anything that was dumb or provocative there wouldn't be a video game industry.
 

Callate

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With all due respect, I think that women (or at least, specific women) being the initiators of violence is a pretty good excuse for violence against [those] women.

Make what you will of the sexy nun nonsense; if women are going to be the pro/ant-agonists of violent games, they're going to be subject to violence.
 

Kargathia

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Callate said:
With all due respect, I think that women (or at least, specific women) being the initiators of violence is a pretty good excuse for violence against [those] women.

Make what you will of the sexy nun nonsense; if women are going to be the pro/ant-agonists of violent games, they're going to be subject to violence.
It's good to remember that the story does not have autonomous will - everything scripted that happens, happens because the writer says so. These nuns might have violence visited on them because they are the antagonists in a violent game, but the game's devs are still responsible for making them the antagonists, and consequently having them be the subject of lethal violence.

That said: this looks to be a relatively simple case of the stupids. They pushed their existing style of humour, and failed to take a step back, and realise that their creation was stupid, offensive, and plainly incomprehensible. Not like that never happens to anyone creative.
 

Callate

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Kargathia said:
It's good to remember that the story does not have autonomous will - everything scripted that happens, happens because the writer says so. These nuns might have violence visited on them because they are the antagonists in a violent game, but the game's devs are still responsible for making them the antagonists, and consequently having them be the subject of lethal violence.

That said: this looks to be a relatively simple case of the stupids. They pushed their existing style of humour, and failed to take a step back, and realise that their creation was stupid, offensive, and plainly incomprehensible. Not like that never happens to anyone creative.
I do, of course, recognize that fictional characters spring from the minds of their writers. I would note that good, well written characters often have ways of doing things their writers don't quite expect until suddenly the words are on the page, but I'm not saying that's what's happened here.

What I find disturbing, however, is the notion that violence against women is to be accepted as taboo without any regard to circumstances. Yes, the "sexy nun" thing is over-the-top, and it should have received a second glance if they were genuinely uninterested in courting controversy. But amidst all the various market pressures and design issues, I'm really not at all sure that "violence against women is a never-ever" is the kind of line writers should be saddled with. And I don't really think the interviewee's implication that showing violence against women, specifically, was the goal (or even a goal) of the trailer is a claim that really stands up to scrutiny, either.
 

Nurb

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DVS BSTrD said:
Nurb said:
DVS BSTrD said:
itchcrotch said:
Best way a publisher can react to this sort of thing? Just - fucking - ignore it! Seriously, it's the attention that fuels these people.
Imagine this going down:
-Your trailer is highly offensive!
>Why?
-...Why?... Because... Religious connotations, and sexual themes, and violence all at the same time!
>So?

Seriously, some people just want something to be offended about, and words like "why?" and "so?" are like kryptonite to them.
How about: Because it's dumb and needlessly provocative?
If we didn't do anything that was dumb or provocative there wouldn't be a video game industry.
If they made a cheep thrill to draw attention to their game they have no right to complain when people see through it.
I'm complaining that you don't have a right to complain about their complaining over people complaining.