15 year old kills 9 year old neighbor, charged as adult
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supposedly the number one rule amongst criminals is 'never harm a child'dalek sec said:
OT: yeah, she deserves to be tried as an adult, SHE PLANNED IT OUT to see what it felt like you definately need to have adult standards for something like that and you DEFINATELY need to be locked up FOR LIFE for planning it out for such a retarded reason (granted, there are only a few good reasons to kill, and this is not one of them)
You don't have to kill someone to quality as Psychopathic or Sociopathic. Very few people would classify Mersault of The Stranger as either one, largely on the basis that they do not know the actual meanings of the terms.
AWC Viper said:
The fact that it is premeditated murder. Murder, the only Class S felony (not officially of course but it is above Class A) which makes it very serious and if you are able to commit it you know how serious it is so the former is out the window. Premeditated, the fact that she was able to do this part shows she is the right state of mind to plan and think so the latter is out the window as well.
Life actually means life in America, but someone serving life can be put up for parole after 25 years. I highly doubt she'll get life though. That is the maximum sentence for murder, with 25 years being the minimum. So, with parole under the minimum sentence, she could be out in about 10 years, but she'll probably get tried as an adult for manslaughter which is 5-30 years.AWC Viper said:
Life in Prison without parole is a sentence which doesn't sit well with me in any case, but if the article is fair and balanced, then we're talking about a dangerous, cold-blooded crazy who needs to be contained, irrespective of their age.
Maybe someday she'll be released despite such a sentence, that can happen. But for now, she could not have screwed up more and must face due consequences.
Maybe someday she'll be released despite such a sentence, that can happen. But for now, she could not have screwed up more and must face due consequences.
The point of the 'minor' system is not to primarily protect minors against adults because they don't have equal rights. It is to protect them because the public views most minors as not have the mental capacity to distinguish between right and wrong. In this case though she showed adequate comprehension of right and wrong. She wanted to 'feel' what it was like to kill someone, which means she knew the consequences of her actions would be the death of someone else. So in my opinion trial as an adult is justified.Dys said:
We'll age can't be the only definition of adulthood can it? It's premeditated murder, granted the girl is batsh*t crazy- well she should be tried as an adult.
She killed someone just to see what it was like yeah there right to see her as an adult because if she was being tried as a kid she would get out sooner and that's not the kind of person you need skulking around.
Being able to hide behind the fact you are a minor even for the worst of crimes is a bad idea. Sure if a kid just does something stupid like stealing there's no problem but murder(not accidental)/rape deserve an adult sentence.
Being able to hide behind the fact you are a minor even for the worst of crimes is a bad idea. Sure if a kid just does something stupid like stealing there's no problem but murder(not accidental)/rape deserve an adult sentence.
The whole thing is just sad. Whatever happens to this girl, her life is over either way. Even if she were to become completely rehabilitated, she'd have to live with the guilt and the judgment of others. Like someone else mentioned, no one will want to associate with a child killer. This would, most likely, drive her even more crazy. It's not gonna end well.
I do believe that she probably has a mental disorder. The article said she had depression, and to the guy who said depressed people only kill themselves, not others, is wrong. Clinical depression isn't just "feeling sad". It's kinda hard to explain it to those who haven't felt that bad before, but full blown despair is good starting point. How it affects people also varies. Me, I just cried and slept a lot. Some hurt themselves. Some go crazy. People with depression often have or acquire other disorders along with it.
I'm not saying it's an excuse, just something that needs to be taken into consideration. As was pointed out, the article mentioned that the girl dug two graves, but she only killed one person. After finding out "what it felt like", it's likely that she was going to put herself in the other grave, or at least had the notion of it. Maybe she thought she wouldn't be able to live with herself afterward, maybe she thought it would make up for it, or maybe she wanted to kill herself all along and decided, "what the hell, might as well take someone with me, see what that's like, since I'm going to be dead anyway." Clearly, she is not mentally stable.
As to what should be done with her, it's tricky. Personally, I think she should kept in an asylum for a long time, if not the rest of her life. It's not a perfect solution, but in this case, I don't think there is one. I don't see her surviving in jail, nor do I see her recovering and becoming a functioning member of society. Maybe if she had gotten some kind of help earlier on, if someone had only realized what she was thinking, things might have been different. But when you take another human being's life, especially in a situation like this, it's not something you and/or others can get over. It's permanent.
I do believe that she probably has a mental disorder. The article said she had depression, and to the guy who said depressed people only kill themselves, not others, is wrong. Clinical depression isn't just "feeling sad". It's kinda hard to explain it to those who haven't felt that bad before, but full blown despair is good starting point. How it affects people also varies. Me, I just cried and slept a lot. Some hurt themselves. Some go crazy. People with depression often have or acquire other disorders along with it.
I'm not saying it's an excuse, just something that needs to be taken into consideration. As was pointed out, the article mentioned that the girl dug two graves, but she only killed one person. After finding out "what it felt like", it's likely that she was going to put herself in the other grave, or at least had the notion of it. Maybe she thought she wouldn't be able to live with herself afterward, maybe she thought it would make up for it, or maybe she wanted to kill herself all along and decided, "what the hell, might as well take someone with me, see what that's like, since I'm going to be dead anyway." Clearly, she is not mentally stable.
As to what should be done with her, it's tricky. Personally, I think she should kept in an asylum for a long time, if not the rest of her life. It's not a perfect solution, but in this case, I don't think there is one. I don't see her surviving in jail, nor do I see her recovering and becoming a functioning member of society. Maybe if she had gotten some kind of help earlier on, if someone had only realized what she was thinking, things might have been different. But when you take another human being's life, especially in a situation like this, it's not something you and/or others can get over. It's permanent.
Worse has happened. Look up the case of Sarah Kruzan. She's serving a sentence of life without the possibility of parole for killing her pimp when she was sixteen, after the man had raped her and forced her into prostitution for three years. She's twenty-nine now, still wrongly imprisoned, and has little hope of ever getting out.paypuh said:
If a girl like her, who had been victimized for years by the one she killed, received such a harsh sentence, imagine what's going to happen to this little monster who actually thought out this crime and aimed it at someone unable to defend themselves. Hopefully she'll be the one to rot behind bars.