Abedeus said:
Rodger said:
Abedeus said:
DeadlyYellow said:
I love table top games yet make fun of LARPers, does this make me bad?
edit: I detest using the term "gamer" and "Wii" in the same sentence. Someone playing Wii Sports has no idea what's a normal game like.
Wii is not crucial to gaming. Motion control? Has been done with those guns that were used to point at the TV screen and shoot ducks off. No to mention that mouse is a superior controler in every way.
Whether you like it or not, the Wii IS a gaming console, and the Wiimote IS a gaming device. What you mentioned with the ducks is also a game and the practice of doing so is also gaming. Wii Sports and any other game making use of the Wiimote IS just as much a normal game as any game using a control pad. I can't even think of why any intelligent gamer would dismiss the Wii as a gaming console, especially since its the most gaming-oriented console of this generation.
Kudos for insulting me so that a mod won't notice. The most gaming-oriented console? How about Xbox 360? Hardly a "movie" device, since most of the people already had a DvD player before buying it. Only PS3 can run Blu-rays. Also, Wii is for old people and kids. Even statistics show this.
I didn't say it was a movie device. I said they were moving away from gaming while adding nothing to the gaming experience. The only 'major' step forward for either the 360 or the PS3 were enhanced graphics and, overall, better hardware, though thats to be expected anyway. Graphics, however, are only icing on the gaming cake. Gameplay and actually having fun are central to gaming. And before you say it, no, I'm not saying 360 and PS3 games aren't fun, they just haven't tried to do anything to make games more fun. Like adding a new input device. And there is nothing wrong with making gaming more open to a larger audience. Kids play games anyway. Keep in mind that all games and gaming systems are, at their very core, toys, and kids play with toys. Old people play games? More power to them. Now they have an idea as to why we sit around in the house playing games all day instead of going outside. Because its fun.
I would go so far as to say the Wii is the MOST crucial system to gaming in this console generation. Take a look at the XBox 360 and PS3. Both consoles focused on taking steps AWAY from gaming and becoming a full 'media center'. Being able to play DVD's and blu-ray movies is not crucial to gaming. The Wii, through its use of the wiimote, actually made steps to make gaming more available to everyone, thus a crucial step for the gaming culture as a whole. Its an easier interface for people to adapt to than the standard video game controller, which is why the Wii is as successful as it is.
Better controls don't equal better gameplay. Like someone wise said, random stick waggling replaced random joystick waggling. Also, what's wrong when a console (like a PC, or a PS3) tries doing something more than just gaming? I'd say that's a better thing than just playing - at least you are using it for something more. That's like buying a $3000 PC and using it only for games.
I don't think you realize what you just said there by saying "better controls don't equal better gameplay", but I know what you're actually trying to say. And wise as that man might be, I'm inclined to disagree with that statement. It carries as much weight as accusing other games of implementing random analog stick pushing or button mashing. The waggling is hardly random, for one, except in games where it hasn't been implemented very well. Two, it actually adds a new way to play games, a way thats easier and, dare I say it, even more fun at times if they're implemented well. And nothing is wrong with doing more than gaming, however doing more than gaming is not crucial to gaming, nor does it add anything to gaming. The issue is that it doesn't add or subtract anything from the gaming experience. Zero gain for gaming.
Just because it doesn't have as many games people would consider 'hardcore' as the other two systems doesn't make it any less of a gaming system or any less crucial to gaming.
Actually, it kinda does. It's appealing to oldies and kids. People who have THE LEAST to do with gaming.
Ok, hold on there pal. Who died and appointed hardcore gamers, a minority group ever since the PSOne came along, king of gamers? Hardcore gamers are content on playing the same game being released over and over with an increasing number on the end. I'm sure a certain wise man you mentioned before touched on that subject. There is no one that has more or less to do with gaming than anyone else. Gamers are people who play games, regardless of age or sex. Being 'hardcore' doesn't make you or any other hardcore gamer anymore of a gamer than the old guy who plays the Wii because he has fun with the boxing game and can play it with his grandson.
And by the way, kids have a LOT more to do with gaming than any of these self-appointed 'hardcore' gamers. As I mentioned before, games and gaming consoles are TOYS. Accept it. Embrace it. You're playing with a toy. Games are, and were, designed FOR kids. These days they just happen to be designed with a larger age group in mind as well, but they are not the core audience, and they are not the most crucial to gaming. Advancing gaming as a medium means kids, soccer moms, and old folks need to be able to get into it too. And they're not going to want to pick up the latest iteration in the Halo or Killzone franchise. Gaming is not going to advance as a culture if it limits itself to a 'hardcore' gaming audience.
Games are about having FUN and thus THATS whats crucial to gaming, regardless of who is having it and what game they are having it with. There will be people who find shooting other people to be fun, but they are a small slice of the pie and in no way representative of gaming as a whole. The only ones who think that are them and the groups that want to ban violent video games.
By the way, as an aside, the only games you mentioned to "GamerMom" that appeal to me, personally, would be Little Big Planet. Or at least, only one I'd be willing to give a shot. The jump physics look a bit sketchy for a platformer. Just as an aside, though, such a game on the Wii would likely be labelled "shovelware" by the hardcore gamers and tossed aside. Double standard much?
Sure games can be a form of art. However to deny a lot of gamers their original beginnings(guess what, most of us that were born in the late 70's and early 80's started on Mario and Zelda) is a sign of arrogance and elitism. Sure, I love Metal Gear Solid series...I played Mass Effect, Fallout 3, and the what not. So what makes the Wii less than a PS3 or an Xbox? Nothing really. Just a different format. 
