We Need More Gamers

Valiance

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I love this article.

It made me laugh in several places, especially the 5 hour TV vs 5 hour video game thing...because it's unfortunately true.

And we do need more gamers. Hear, Hear.
 

Disembodied_Dave

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Abedeus said:
RougeWaveform said:
I agree except for the bit about Rock'n'Roll.. It totally turned kids into deviants.. I mean have you talked to anyone born in the 70's or 80's? No, since they can only communicate in grunts and/or grones. Especially to their loving parents who only want the best of them.

But at least, they not evil like people born in the 40's, 50's, and 60's.

My sister was born in 85, my male cousins in 85 and 82, my female cousins all in 80s, so was my English teacher (78 or so).


Ooooh, you are talking about AMERICA.
Nopes.. I'm poking fun at my generation for being lazy and inarticulate.
 

Mattacles

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While I agree that it is probably best for the gaming industry and culture to reach out to non-gamers of all stripes, I am still troubled by what I see as a lingering stigma towards "gaming."

I agree with Abedeus and Shamus when they say that gaming has potential as an art form and a means of expression, especially in regards to adult and mature topics. I think we need games that are not only good, but tell thoughtful stories. So far, the games that attempt this seem to be aimed at the "hardcore" crowd (your Mass Effects, Fallouts, etc.)

More people than ever, particularly at university, play games. Everyone can gather around Rock Band or WiiSports at a party or with a group of friends. Even women are playing Peggle in class. The problem is that they still see a disassociation between themselves as gamers and people like me, who are also gamers. They see it as a party game or time waster, and when was the last time Twister or Solitaire told you a good story? Even though they may be gamers themselves, they still see "gaming" as the province of geeks, nerds, etc. Hell, my roommates play Madden like I played Fallout and they still accused me of "wasting my life" and being "one of those nerdy gamer types."

What I'm afraid of, I guess, is the permanent association of my beloved hobby with childishness, despite the number of people who participate in it.

Also, I don't know about the old folks, but kids are critical to the future of gaming. I mean, I started playing video games at 6 years old with a Nintendo classic and Mario, Zelda, etc. Without clever, family friendly games for kids, they may never get into gaming the way those of us who really care about the hobby do.
 

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Abedeus said:
GamerMom said:
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Rodger said:
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DeadlyYellow said:
I love table top games yet make fun of LARPers, does this make me bad?
edit: I detest using the term "gamer" and "Wii" in the same sentence. Someone playing Wii Sports has no idea what's a normal game like.

Wii is not crucial to gaming. Motion control? Has been done with those guns that were used to point at the TV screen and shoot ducks off. No to mention that mouse is a superior controler in every way.
Whether you like it or not, the Wii IS a gaming console, and the Wiimote IS a gaming device. What you mentioned with the ducks is also a game and the practice of doing so is also gaming. Wii Sports and any other game making use of the Wiimote IS just as much a normal game as any game using a control pad. I can't even think of why any intelligent gamer would dismiss the Wii as a gaming console, especially since its the most gaming-oriented console of this generation.
Kudos for insulting me so that a mod won't notice. The most gaming-oriented console? How about Xbox 360? Hardly a "movie" device, since most of the people already had a DvD player before buying it. Only PS3 can run Blu-rays. Also, Wii is for old people and kids. Even statistics show this.

I would go so far as to say the Wii is the MOST crucial system to gaming in this console generation. Take a look at the XBox 360 and PS3. Both consoles focused on taking steps AWAY from gaming and becoming a full 'media center'. Being able to play DVD's and blu-ray movies is not crucial to gaming. The Wii, through its use of the wiimote, actually made steps to make gaming more available to everyone, thus a crucial step for the gaming culture as a whole. Its an easier interface for people to adapt to than the standard video game controller, which is why the Wii is as successful as it is.
Better controls don't equal better gameplay. Like someone wise said, random stick waggling replaced random joystick waggling. Also, what's wrong when a console (like a PC, or a PS3) tries doing something more than just gaming? I'd say that's a better thing than just playing - at least you are using it for something more. That's like buying a $3000 PC and using it only for games.
Just because it doesn't have as many games people would consider 'hardcore' as the other two systems doesn't make it any less of a gaming system or any less crucial to gaming.
Actually, it kinda does. It's appealing to oldies and kids. People who have THE LEAST to do with gaming.
The people who have THE LEAST to do with gaming? Actually they have PLENTY to do with gaming. Bringing gaming away from the 'Hardcore' group and making it appeal to kids, again, and for the first time the 50+ year old crowd actually is bringing a huge increase in the population of gamers. The vast majority of gamers will choose what is next... Is the Wii a valid system? Of course. Hell it plays Resident Evil IV and has a few cool exclusive titles to it to appeal to some of the adult gamers as well.
Sorry, but children have little to do with the image we want. We want to show games as mature form of art, like Mass Effect or Fallout 3. Not Zelda, not Mario.

Wii has a lot of "leftovers" - overused game series, made just to please the fans. And it's really hard to find something good + new + original.

Oh, and I would play any Xbox 360/PS3 exlusive over a Wii exclusive. Gears of War, Fable, Metal Gear Solid, Little Big Planet...

Also, oldies don't have anything to do with gaming.

Whichever system brings the crowds in, is crucial to gaming. Sorry to tell you this, but it is the Wii at the moment.
No. The system that brings the crows in is a sellout. Or a console for fans, COUGH sonic COUGH mario.
jesus christ.
the point in the article is that the wii is getting people introduced to gaming.
when i was 5 years old, i watched power rangers. i don't now, but i did.
i was being introduced into television shows, getting acquainted with a little violence and such.

kids don't start out playing fallout, they play colorful things with an E rating that their parents will let them play.
they like swinging shit around, like a wiimote. important thing is that they're getting used to gaming, the whole idea of it, maybe they'll want something deeper and more mature later on, maybe not. but they'll feel that it's normal. that's important.


also, i don't guess you remember this but old people have the most voter turn out, so if old people feel more comfortable with video games then there's less chance of stupid laws passed due to ignorance.

i love xbox with all my heart. i am no wii fan girl. but seriously, think about what you're saying.

kids are the future and old people make the laws.
why would you not want them to be introduced into gaming, even if it's by a sell-out system like the wii?
 

Bete_noir

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Can you actually play tennis or bowl a perfect frame, hell can you even box? No all games are simulations for things people find hard to do, or illegal in fifty states and the District of Columbia, not to mention a few countries.

A light gun and what the Wii controler can actually do are quite different. A light gun uses a laser to pick out where you're pointing at the screen you pull the trigger it reacts. You could google it and get a better answer.

The Wii remote uses all sorts of nifty technobabble that's quite beyond me but it can pick up your distance your motion of your whole body all sorts of neat stuff. Now I'm not saying it's revolutionary but it's a nice step foward from arbitrary button pressing and whatnot.

It adds a level of depth and that's what a large part of gaming is about, interactivity.
Abedeus said:
DeadlyYellow said:
I love table top games yet make fun of LARPers, does this make me bad?
Nope. Table top games are pretty normal, maybe they are "next to geekery". LARP crosses the line, just a little bit.


edit: I detest using the term "gamer" and "Wii" in the same sentence. Someone playing Wii Sports has no idea what's a normal game like.

Wii is not crucial to gaming. Motion control? Has been done with those guns that were used to point at the TV screen and shoot ducks off. No to mention that mouse is a superior controler in every way.
Can you actually play tennis or bowl a perfect frame, hell can you even box? No all games are simulations for things people find hard to do, or illegal in fifty states and the District of Columbia, not to mention a few countries.

A light gun and what the Wii controler can actually do are quite different. A light gun uses a laser to pick out where you're pointing at the screen you pull the trigger it reacts. You could google it and get a better answer.

The Wii remote uses all sorts of nifty technobabble that's quite beyond me but it can pick up your distance your motion of your whole body all sorts of neat stuff. Now I'm not saying it's revolutionary but it's a nice step foward from arbitrary button pressing and whatnot.

It adds a level of depth and that's what a large part of gaming is about, interactivity.