256: The Magic of Spike and Timmy

magicman4443

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If I were to classify myself, I would say I'm predominately a Timmy with a touch of Johnny. With the newest set in particular, my inner Timmy has a chance to run rampant. 15/15s? *drool*

Also, aren't standard decks 60 cards, not 40? Isn't 40 only for drafts?
 

dehboy

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Yu-Gi-Oh requires a 40 card minimum for a deck - Magic the Gathering requires a 60 card minimum.

I'm a Johnny/Spike. I enjoy quirky combos, but I only persue building a deck if it is going to be competitive in tournaments.
 

MaxFan

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Yeah, 40 hasn't been the minimum for a constructed deck for a long time, but it was originally the requirement. So if you haven't played in a while, you might not know.

Spike/Johnny here. In the sense of "What can I do to beat the decks I'm seeing people play? You're all playing black and red? Great, I'll main-deck these Kor Firewalkers, Celestial Purges, and White Knights."
 

Lazarus Long

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Just yesterday I built a deck around Intruder Alarm, Imperious Perfect, and Llanowar Elf. Hi, I'm Johnny, and I'll be 2/2 Elf token-ing you to death today.
 

black-magic

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I've played this game for years and years.
There is no doubt in my or anyone I know's mind of what profile I am.
I win, it's what I do, I. am. spike.

If I don't walk away from day 1 with more wins then losses, it was a wasted day.
 

Woem

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I'm 100% spike, with a love for control decks, especially mono-black control.

- Founder of the Escapist Magic Fan Club [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/view/Magic-The-Gathering]
 

Sizzo

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I've been playing MtG for almost a year now, I think.
I started playing in tournaments that played the "Standard"-format (only cards from the two latest blocks are allowed). However, lately I have switched to playing EDH with my friends.
I would say that EDH as a casual-format is the best way to play. I've heard that tournaments with EDH are no fun since, though, the players make decks with crazy infinity-loops.
I don't play as much anymore because I, sadly, live way from my friends right now.

As for what sort of player I am, I'm probably a Timmy. I play Red-White-Green (Naya) Beatdown EDH with "Rith, the Awakener" as General. I love playing my big creatures and smack them down.
 

Xanadu84

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Back in the day, I was definitely a Spike, by way of Johnny. I studied charts of mana curves, and really tried to figure out what made a good deck tick. I designed a ludicrous number of decks, mainly just to explore new strategies, and had just as much fun designing decks as playing the game. My only real Timmy smattering came from my tendency to play green stompy decks.

These days, when I don't have the time to donate towards pouring over deck lists, much less the money to keep up to date in Type 2 (Or whatever its called these days), I'm mainly a casual Johnny, mostly playing Multiplayer with friends, and just messing around with interesting ideas from a pool of old cards. My Timmy streak has actually amplified greatly, because of the way my friends play. We tend to do multiplayer, with a few people who are successful because they don't act rationally, and no one wants to mess with them because of it. In addition, the dynamic turns into one giant cold war, where no one wants to mess with anyone, because once one person becomes aggressive, or too powerful, everyone gangs up to take them down. Because of this, it favors slow decks with some defense, that eventually reach a tipping point where they can overcome any obstacle, but not in an obvious way (Sliver decks universally are attacked and eliminated from turn 1). I still have a bit of a pragmatic Spike in me though, and include cards for there pragmatic value less then hilarious situations. Multiplayer is still a wild crapshoot, but then again, when we do play single player, I spend the least on cards, and likely have the best win/lose ratio.
 

GothmogII

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Timmy most definitely. I can lose over and over again, but as long as I get that Progenitus into play I'm all good. And yeah, Eldrazi....*drools*
 

Echo136

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I had to quit. Im always up against people who have 17 years worth of cards who could kick my ass a 100 different ways, while I always stay stagnant with the cards ive owned for years and never buy new cards.
 

GothmogII

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Echo136 said:
I had to quit. Im always up against people who have 17 years worth of cards who could kick my ass a 100 different ways, while I always stay stagnant with the cards ive owned for years and never buy new cards.
Well, if you've got any brothers or sisters or other family, you could always teach them to play? Then have many fun times beating them into the dust till they eventually surpass you.
 

SageRuffin

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Like another user said, these same "psychographs" can be applied to various fighting games as well, although the definitions aren't quite as clear-cut.

"Spikes" in the fighting game community would be what are best known as "tier-whores", the people who do research and use no other characters but the best ones. They study, apply, then study again, then reapply what makes these characters the best in the game so the wins can pour in and increase their standing on the leaderboards. :p

"Johnnys" are most akin to the antithesis of the "tier-whore" mentioned previously (who currently doesn't have a handle, at least not to my knowledge) who'll only play the worst characters in a fighting game. This usually happens for one of two reasons: 1.) the player wants to prove that the character actually isn't as bad as everyone says he/she is (often with nil results), or 2.) the player wants to show that with proper practice and analysis of the combat engine, the so-called "worst character" can actually give the "best character" a good challenge. They'll have a much harder time winning the match, and the player knows this, if they can win or at least get kinda close, all the better.

"Timmys" are a bit of the happy medium of the fighting game community; they like to pick characters that appeal to them, either through gameplay (i.e. how the character "feels" when played) or something as minute as simple aesthetics. if he/she happens to be one of if not the best character in the game, great. If they aren't, that just means extra research. The key fact is that the player enjoys playing the character he/she wants to play, how he/she want to play the character.

By the way, mostly Timmy myself. I may not be the greatest, and I may not win, but if I can use that Blue spell to blow your strategy straight to hell, or at least make you struggle for a turn or 2, I'm happy.
 

BryceN

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In my local community, my friends say i define what it is to be johnny. They're right. Why win by attacking with creatures turn after turn when you can get every card in your deck in play and win outright? It's all in the combo, baby!
 

Tiamat666

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I think they missed a rather important profile. "The collector". He buys cards but possibly never plays with them, as he simply enjoys their possession because he appreciates the art or the rarity. I'm definitively of the type. I tried collecting all black rares for two years or so, even though I barely played the game. And I still own my collection of about 100 of them.
 

Jackel86

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Onyx Oblivion said:
I'm a Timmy. But not with big creatures...with Cancel and it's ilk.

As long as I piss you off with my blue decks, I'm happy. As long as I cancel one thing...I'm happy.
There's a special name just for people like you.

http://mtgsalvation.com/660-the-fourth-psycho.html



...Jerk. :)
 

knight of zendikar

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Tiamat666 said:
I think they missed a rather important profile. "The collector". He buys cards but possibly never plays with them, as he simply enjoys their possession because he appreciates the art or the rarity. I'm definitively of the type. I tried collecting all black rares for two years or so, even though I barely played the game. And I still own my collection of about 100 of them.
In terms of magic the gathering the profile you would fit then would be vorthos. hes the forth profile they dont talk about as often. if you want to read more just get on the website youd probably enjoy reading some of maros "Mark Rosewaters" Articles about this topic.
 

manaman

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I played in the 90's. I have a few fond memories associated with the game. Running up to San Antonio for a weekend to compete, I nearly winning a Grand Prix in Houston. It wasn't always that way I remember for the first few months I played, discovering new cards (before I figured someone had actually made a list of all the cards). Buying boosters and finding out something new with each one. Eventually after a year ors so of playing I started to get competitive. By the time Urza's Destiny came out I was entrenched in competitive play, I almost solely played games to tweak deck ideas, all formed around solid ideas I threw around while looking over the cards. Deck construction was second only to winning for me. After I joined the military I pretty much gave up playing. I still have the cards. But seeing how it has been nearly a decade since I last played a game I am sure I am done with them.

I think getting better is what lead me to being competitive. A I grew better and better I outpaced even the friends that got me interested in the game in the first place. Soon enough they no longer even wanted to play against me. I turned to competitive play.

What I am trying to say is that I feel these profiles are more phases people go through while playing, and all everyone is some combination. Everyone likes to pull off that combo or game changing sequence of cards, stun everyone, and most importantly win.
 

The Random One

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Ah, yes, Magic. Surely brings back a lot of memories. I remember a time when I read MaRo's articles every week (because I was bored, yes, but I did it). It's kind of fun to see being quoted on someone else's article.

I'm a Johnny all the way, with perhaps a splattering of Timmy. These profiles are very interesting, specially because of how they turn out to be true. I remember back when I began, when I was way more Timmy, playing a friend who was a complete Spike. I was playing an insect time which I had created by looking at all of the insect cards, choosing the coolest ones, and adding land; it had about as much synergy as a jetpack powered by bricks. It was black-green because most cool insects were black or green. So at a point I play Nantuko Shade (for the uninitiated, a creature that gets bigger when you pay black mana). My friend just flips out, going on and on about how you should only use him on an all-black deck. I try to explain why he's on the deck in various ways - I say he's a 'special guest', I say it's a deck just for fun, I even explain my amazing deckbuilding strategy to him - to no avail. He just kept yelling at me, (well, typing in caps) about how that was not how you did it. Who's to say? Just so you know that profiles sometimes not only like different things, but can't even understand the others' existence. Hence why so many cards are labeled bad because the Spikes who write most fansites don't get it.


There's certainly some ground to the idea that these profiles exist in all games. Spikes sound like the Stop Having Fun Guys [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StopHavingFunGuys] of lore,(WARNING TV TROPES LINK WAIT TOO LATE AAAAAA) who think only of winning, look down on people who don't read all FAQs and guides to be the absolute best, and think the only way to properly play the game is the most effective one. Johnnies are the guys who are always trying to find where the level boundaries fail and where the invisible platforms are, who always tries to understand the game's rules at a deeper level so that they can break them, who'll leave their consoles running for days as proof of concept if reverse engineering the source code is completely out of the questions, and who avoid FAQs and guides like the plague and look down on those who depend on them. And Timmies are those who just play for fun, make choices out of what they think would be better or how their character would roleplay, enjoy doing things that look cool even if they aren't effective, and are quite sure anyone who plays the game in any other way just is just boring and doesn't know how to have fun.

Incidentally, if I'm a Johnny in Magic, I'm a Timmy in everything else. I'm sure that every time I choose a skill at a game I'm playing everyone who's ever written a FAQ or run a fansite for it feels a shiver.

Lastly, these profiles always reminded me of Bartle's profiles, the four 'suits' of MMORPGs. It's too bad that they aren't common knowledge about gamers - they answer a lot of questions about how gamers act just by existing.