No, no he doesn't - Force Unleashed only had him playable for one level and then had you stuck with his twat of an apprentice for the rest of the game. Wish he was the main character, that was the best level in that bloody thing.rasta111 said:Well he's not the main character but Darth Vader is playable in Soul Calibur 4 which is pretty close seeing as fighting games tend to lack a 'main' character and each character has their own story which becomes the 'main' story while you play as them... At least that's how they used to be. I think you could do better with the Star Wars universe, Darth Vadar has enough already anyway, with that and Force Unleashed.
Not sure if you noticed but the game is about the apprentice, all the character development revolves around him. The opening serves to set up the premise of his abilities but without the apprentice it has no character. It would just be a bland hack and slash... Sure you could have the same type of game all about Vader but why? Vader makes the apprentice who he is and gives the character his agency but the story has no foundation without the apprentice as the protagonist.RealRT said:No, no he doesn't - Force Unleashed only had him playable for one level and then had you stuck with his twat of an apprentice for the rest of the game. Wish he was the main character, that was the best level in that bloody thing.rasta111 said:Well he's not the main character but Darth Vader is playable in Soul Calibur 4 which is pretty close seeing as fighting games tend to lack a 'main' character and each character has their own story which becomes the 'main' story while you play as them... At least that's how they used to be. I think you could do better with the Star Wars universe, Darth Vadar has enough already anyway, with that and Force Unleashed.
Yeah, I have noticed that and it's the main problem of the game - it's about the apprentice who, as we have already established, is a twat. A bland as all fuck and boring character who was supposed to be a much more interesting anti-hero, but fell into your typical "HEY, THE GUYS I'M SERVING ARE ACTUALLY EVIL, HOLY SHIT" arc. Letting us to play as Vader, a well-established badass who was both an anti-hero and anti-villain during his long life and overall the most iconic character of all of Star Wars and then dumping that fuckoff on us was a mistake. His arc is a really stock, even by Star Wars standards and he's not that fun to play as. And sorry, but playing as him in a fighting game, which by definition have no main characters and letting us to play as him for a single level doesn't really count as having a game centered around him. Vader CAN be vulnerable. Make a game about him fighting Jedi during the first years of the Empire, when he's still maladjusted to his suit. BOOM! You can have a character arc with him dealing with his grief over Padme and accepting who he is now, shaping from a fairly emo Anakin into hard and ruthless Vader we know and love.rasta111 said:Not sure if you noticed but the game is about the apprentice, all the character development revolves around him. The opening serves to set up the premise of his abilities but without the apprentice it has no character. It would just be a bland hack and slash... Sure you could have the same type of game all about Vader but why? Vader makes the apprentice who he is and gives the character his agency but the story has no foundation without the apprentice as the protagonist.RealRT said:No, no he doesn't - Force Unleashed only had him playable for one level and then had you stuck with his twat of an apprentice for the rest of the game. Wish he was the main character, that was the best level in that bloody thing.rasta111 said:Well he's not the main character but Darth Vader is playable in Soul Calibur 4 which is pretty close seeing as fighting games tend to lack a 'main' character and each character has their own story which becomes the 'main' story while you play as them... At least that's how they used to be. I think you could do better with the Star Wars universe, Darth Vadar has enough already anyway, with that and Force Unleashed.
Who could actually challenge Vader if not the apprentice? The whole idea of using Vader in that opening is to give the player the feeling of being an nigh unstoppable warrior wielding the force. Playing as the apprentice through the rest of the game develops that feeling and actually makes you think about HOW you are to use the power instead of just crushing everything in your path with no challenge. We already know that no one can challenge Vader until Luke anyway and the apprentice is basically an avatar for that character that the player can actually shape meaningfully.
Besides I was talking more about Soul Calibur although Vader does fill far more of a role in Force Unleashed in terms of story and his character development.
Really? I thought we'd established the apprentice was basically just an avatar of the player that can be shaped meaningfully with thought about the actual ACTIONS the player is taking thus hopefully making what happens seem less predictable and more in the hands of the player and not simply the avatar. That and the only character other than Luke in the established timeline capable of challenging Vader with any real conviction... But whatever. ._.RealRT said:the apprentice who, as we have already established, is a twat. A bland as all fuck and boring character who was supposed to be a much more interesting anti-hero, but fell into your typical "HEY, THE GUYS I'M SERVING ARE ACTUALLY EVIL, HOLY SHIT" arc.
Yeah, I don't buy the "avatar of the player" crap because the fuckwit talks. And he cannot be shaped through ACTIONS, he is shaped through a moral choice - not even moral choices, A moral choice, just one. That's not character development, that's "choose your own ending" button. Oh, and by the way, the "young Jedi who is player's avatar that's shaped through player and gets to choose between light and dark side at the end" was done far better in Jedi Academy. With better combat. And better force powers. And the ability to choose your own race and gender. And good multiplayer. And Jennifer Hale as the VA of the female PC.rasta111 said:Really? I thought we'd established the apprentice was basically just an avatar of the player that can be shaped meaningfully with thought about the actual ACTIONS the player is taking thus hopefully making what happens seem less predictable and more in the hands of the player and not simply the avatar. That and the only character other than Luke in the established timeline capable of challenging Vader with any real conviction... But whatever. ._.RealRT said:the apprentice who, as we have already established, is a twat. A bland as all fuck and boring character who was supposed to be a much more interesting anti-hero, but fell into your typical "HEY, THE GUYS I'M SERVING ARE ACTUALLY EVIL, HOLY SHIT" arc.
Because, you know, a shout qualifies as the whole grieving process (usually it doesn't end there, you know) and destroying some lab equipment on adrenaline is enough to show that he feels dandy in his suit (while in old EU there was some evidence that he had quite the time adapting to it and this is the idea that really should come back). Vader, bland? Let alone blander than Darth "I'll only say a stock villain phrase and then get murdered" Maul (and don't get me wrong, Darth Maul is cool and DOES deserve a game of his own, but come the fuck on)?rasta111 said:Wasn't this about Vader..? I mean it's well established by the ending of episode 3 that Vader has no period of adjustment to his suit, on leaving the operating table he displays his power and his grieving process can be summed up by.
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Done and dusted. Face it Vader is the bland character here. Like I said if you want a game like Force Unleashed there is a whole host of better characters than Vader to take the 'main' role. Darth Maul. Enough saids.
Vader is in all six movies, his character arc is as fully developed as it will ever get. Again Vader has no adjustment to his suit he is simply weakened by the ordeal which from that point on he attempts to hide. It's the sole reason he doesn't overthrow the emperor then and there and spends the rest of his arc waiting for this very opportunity. As you said Darth Maul gets one line in a movie before he takes the plunge...RealRT said:Because, you know, a shout qualifies as the whole grieving process (usually it doesn't end there, you know) and destroying some lab equipment on adrenaline is enough to show that he feels dandy in his suit (while in old EU there was some evidence that he had quite the time adapting to it and this is the idea that really should come back). Vader, bland? Let alone blander than Darth "I'll only say a stock villain phrase and then get murdered" Maul (and don't get me wrong, Darth Maul is cool and DOES deserve a game of his own, but come the fuck on)?
If you want a game about hunting down Jedi General Grievous is another far more interesting candidate.mrdeclandeadly said:How awesome would it be to have an action/rts style Star Wars game where you play Vader hunting down the last of the Jedi. They could start where the new movies left off and lead right into A New Hope. Controlling battalions of galactic starships against rebel forces, then moving to control Vader on the battlefield.