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Coldster

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I thought the lone wanderer in Fallout 3 (at least in my game) had friends. Amata was really glad to see me when I came back to Vault 101 after hearing the emergency message. Even Fawkes greeted me after my escape of Raven Rock by saying something along the lines of: "My friend! It is so good to see you again! Still, this was a really good Issue and I had a lot of fun reading it. Hope you guys keep up the good work!
 

hansari

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manaman said:
In portal a relationship is established with the computer. The computer obviously knows you from before you awoke in the test chamber. It may have turned psychotic and bent on destruction, but it's obviously not the first time you have been a test subject.
The article is about "friends", and I brought Portal up because its a game where you have none, but at the same time this doesn't take away from the experience. There isn't any more meaning to the relationship with the computer then Megaman's relationship with the mid game bosses. An obstacle that must be overcome!

manaman said:
Hitman as well has allies. You have a relationship with the women on the other end of the comm, and in the first game several characters know the protagonist, he even enlists help from one.
Again, throwing mission objectives isn't a relationship. There's more to it, and I can't recall Agent 47's contact ever really crossing that threshold until Blood Money. Thats four games before we get any development.

Meanwhile, you have relationships like that of Agent Smith, which seems more like a running gag in the series. He gets captured, you rescue him, he gives info and leaves. You never see him and 47 getting all buddy buddy in a bar later...

In Halo, Masterchief and Cortana have a relationship because she says more than just mission objectives...
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I don't have a lot of experience with the new PoP games, but the old ones had a fair amount of story laid out in the game manual. Which for all the limitations of the time was as good as it was going to get.
Yeah, but what about his friends? Dude was prince of a whole kingdom and he didn't have his own entourage?

This fit in with the story though since you could immediately tell by the end of the first level he was a douche and completely full of himself.
 

Extragorey

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Having recently played through Assassins Creed II, I can totally agree with this article. Ser Ezio is a much more likable character than Desmond or Altair due to the connections he shares with family and friends; he actually feels like a person.
And too many games have the same problem; the protagonist is as lonely as a ship in a bottle.
 

The Random One

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I think game designes are afraid of using that approach because they think gamers will not like it. To be honest, as I was reading the article I thought that would be its approach as well. 'There's this guy called Rodriguez. He's saying he knows me. What the fuck? I just met him, I don't know who he is, and I would never have become friends with a guy this annoying in the first place. Fuck off, Rodriguez.'

Partly it's one of everyone's main complaints on gaming - they have bad stories. People complain that games don't know how to portray minorities, don't know how to portray women, don't know how to be subtle. And they're all true, but that's all because of a simple thing - they don't know how to set up stories. Characters, particualarly, are very difficult to set up in an enjoyable and interesting way. So in the same way games have to turn to cheap tricks like HUEG plot twists in their narratives they have to turn to simplistic stereotypes to use as their characters. Writing it the Indiana Jones way, as you suggested, is hard work. You have to deliver this in a way that the viewers/players care about what is going on even before they have had time to acquaint themselves with the characters and their relationship. This isn't particularly hard - Indiana Jones is not exactly known for its riveting emotional story - but video game writing just isn't up to par.

Partly it's because of the emphasis modern day games have on 'you are your character, your every action molds your story!' MovieBob complained about it just last week, and he has kind of a point. If you can create a character to be however you like and you want him to be a cynical loner, then knowing that you have an old friend who ate pies with you when you were growing up might spoil the image you have built in your mind. It's too bad that the modern industry seems to think this is what they should aspire to, when it's just another approach, both being just as valid.

And of course partly it's because of what I call the 'Outsider Theory', or the full name, 'The Random One's Outsider Theory by The Random One' (pat.pen.). Under that theory, game characters are often outsiders, foreigners or otherwise ignorant of the gameworld because that's the state the player finds herself in when booting up the game. Since the player will be meeting the world for the first time, the strangeness inherent to the game as you're picking up the controls will match the character's strangeness as he learns how things work in the new world. And of course since you have no prior 'luggage' you're allowed to behave in the world as you see fit. Look around and see how many games go out of the way to estabilish a character that is disconnected to the world and is discovering it in tandem with the player. But, of course, this doesn't mean friendships aren't possible. Your example of Fallout 3 points to this - a vault-born in the Fallout world has a great excuse to be an outsider in the wastelands, but she does have family and associates. Nico Belic is a foreigner who knows nothing of Liberty city, but he does have a cousin. You can have your cake and eat it too.
 

Vault101

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Agent Larkin said:
Let me start off by saying I fully agree with you on your article. Good developed human characters are rare but worth it so much in games. Personally your description on that proposed scene for MW2 would have made the game a lot better, the only good example of a character like that being Woods in COD: Black Ops.

However I need to do what I always have to do when someone mentions the Courier. They are building up to something. Go visit the Caravan Waste in New Vegas and see the graffiti taunting him. The corpses with his name above him. Complete Dead Money right and you will see the scene about "Two couriers fighting under the old flag at the great divide." Don't get me wrong the fact that no-one remembers him is quite vexing but they are working on changing that by building up to something.
or "her"

anyway annoying Political correctness aside, I always wondered what was with tthat grafiti in that place? who put it there?

and what happened in dead money? what dose that scene mean? (because I probably wont be able to get it anytime soon)
 

mikespoff

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Really great article.

Perhaps a step in the right direction is the continuity in the Mass Effect series - you know Liars in ME2 because you already knew her in ME1. Wrex also greets you warmly as a friend in ME2.
 

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I think this article explains to me why Persona 4 came across as so different. That game was based on friendships.
 

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greatslack said:
Most JRPGs have you start out in a small village with family and friends, some of whom accompany you through the entire story. Pokemon, most Final Fantasy games, Chrono Trigger all come to mind.

...and these games routinely get panned by the Western media for extolling the "power of friendship". That's probably why we see so many Western games about loners. In America, friendship (other than the shallow "bro" variety) is just downright corny.
Well, the games that portray this tend to make friendship some kind of superpower, not just a bond between individuals. Look at Lord of the Rings. Yeah, Sam and Frodo have been friends for their whole lives, but they don't grant each other any powers or abilities, they just help each other out. They both help carry the burden of the other, and do their best to help each out along.

For the type of games you mean, the ending sequence usually has a piece where the hero/heroine asks for the power of his friends, and everyone he met on his journey lends them some kind of mystical universal chi, or something, as if friendship was a tangible and transferable quality.
 

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Not to be a nitpick, but Ramirez was a U.S. Army Ranger. And even then, they could've written the whole 'magical' transporting C-130 from Afghanistan to Virgina better. "Hey Ramirez, Remember when we got back from being in country? All those houses down by Benning? Reminds me of the one Mary and I were looking at." Little more appropriate. Cue Attack. Cue up other Ranger getting taken down by a burst of AK fire. Part of you dies.

I think that, while yes, most games can achieve a sense of depth far beyond that of the narrative allows. Homefront's beginning sequence, while mediocre, had me so enraged I spent the whole game committing War Crimes on any already dead Korean soldiers. It didn't matter that I didn't know these people being rounded up, nor that I was more focused on just trying to survive. No, When I saw what had to have been the most enraging thing ever (Happens about mid-way through the sequence) I made it my mission to put an extra few rounds into every dead Korean Soldiers body to avenge the treachery.

But it's all after thoughts in the great scheme of things. People want to believe that games can have deeper connections, but as evidenced by some reviewers and critics out there, those are the points in the game that most of them criticize or use as a joke. The Deaths in Modern Warfare 2, meant to be a surreal experience, are the most pointed to example of OVERDOING it.

And I really don't like blaming the devs who don't think of the depth they could convey, It's like how if you stare at a word long enough it'll start looking wrong. They've sunk whole weeks on small sections of this map, what's it to them to not notice points where they could have the moments of surreal.
 

ChupathingyX

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I thought New Vegas handled companions and friendships much better than Fallout 3.

Plus New Vegas felt much more like a RPG, the courier barely had any backstory which meant it was up to the player to decide what kind of player he/she will be. In Fallout 3 pretty much your whole childhood life and family is explained to you, you have almost no control over your character's life, even if you act like an asshole you still have to find your dad, you still have to help him, you have to activate the purifier and you have to side with the Brotherhood of Steel.

In New Vegas you play as a courier, someone who is constantly moving around and visiting different places which would make permament friendships quite difficult, however, the events that take place at the beginning of New Vegas give the courier a reason to stay a little bit longer, therefore giving him/her a reason to make a couple of friends to get the job done.

Not only did New Vegas do a better job in that respect but it also did a better job with the companions themselves. When you meet the various companions they have different views on you and for some you need to gain their trust (Boone is a good example). Then unlike Fallout 3 where you then automatically become BFF's in New Vegas some companions (like Boone) will still not fully trust you until they witness you doing specific tasks. All of the companions have a "personal" quest which usually involves gaining trust from them or taking them to various places.

EDIT: Oh there's a mistake in this article. In New Vegas some companions do in fact have houses where you can go and they can help you out. Raul is a perfect example, if you go to his house he can provide repairing services. Also although she does not neccessarily run up to you, Veronica is very excited when you propose travelling together.
 

starwarsgeek

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That was a fantastic read...I'm having trouble describing exactly what my reaction is.

So I'll let Bender do it for me

 

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Burck said:
I think this article explains to me why Persona 4 came across as so different. That game was based on friendships.
Yeah, I liked how in persona 3&4 you slowly become friends with people when you want, instead of the regular JRPG which sets a specific time for them to dump their backstory on you.
 

Lissa-QUON

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Ineresting article.

All the talk to the player character being a person in the setting with friends reminded me of Onicron: The Nomad Soul. Though in that case the whole game was based around the concept of "you are borrowing the bodies/lives of these people."

But it was interesting to walk around in the place that was "your" job and have everyone react to you like they'd just talked to you yesterday. Or for me the weirdest part was the fact that the first guy whose life you borrowed, had a wife. She was there in the apartment, you could talk to her or sleep with her and meet her for lunch. She treated you like, and to her you were, her husband.

Not quite the same as "building and breaking relationships" on your own but it was an interesting change from "you are the mysterious stranger who came into town from...Somewhere.
 

HunkyDork

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Sometimes you just don't want friends: I cannot imagine Alice (of McGee's fame) with a friend and even that grinning cat is wise to stay well away most of the time.
In "Call of Duty 4" I relate to the other guys, in a way. . . We do team work there and I'd be lost without them. I also felt close to MacMillan when following him and then carrying him and his thick Scottish accent around the Chernobyl neighborhoods.
In the less exhalted "Project Eden" you were part of a team of four, and you had to play all the characters, was that friendship? It was collaboration for sure.
These day I'm back in Morrowind and, as I usually do in Bethesda RPGs, I go around with a "companion". Gabran doesn't help much execpt for toting loots, and I have to save him a lot more than he saves me. Yet I enjoy having him around Somehow he makes the wandering more interesting.
Have to feed Arthur (the cat).
Bye now
Hunky Dork
 

Samsont

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One point against you here bro, one, the courier does know people, and they know him. By canon the courier isn't from anywhere near there. And in the new DLCs that are going to come out you'll meet one of the people who does meet you, and is part of the reason why the courier happened to be carrying the chip.
 

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ChupathingyX said:
I thought New Vegas handled companions and friendships much better than Fallout 3.

EDIT: Oh there's a mistake in this article. In New Vegas some companions do in fact have houses where you can go and they can help you out. Raul is a perfect example, if you go to his house he can provide repairing services. Also although she does not neccessarily run up to you, Veronica is very excited when you propose travelling together.
Thanks all for reading and digging on the article:

Chupa, I'll just add that -- and maybe this is due to my writing in the article, and for that, I apologize -- my concern isn't that you cannot form connections or friendships in play but rather than you do not begin with any. You enter the world utterly unformed and disconnected. You can create connections, but these did not exist before. Nobody knows the Courier the moment you awaken in Goodsprings.

So, that mistake isn't a mistake, really.

Thanks!

-- Chuck
 

theklng

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they do need to be disconnected, because that is how the western hemisphere role models heroes. you're asking a question in which you unravel the notion we have had from the earliest tales of narrative. and you are wrong in that we don't see it in other mediums; the number of same thing happening in books or movies is huge.

heroes are supposed to bring a sacrifice in an imbalanced world; that is their place in the world. they are not accustomed to live in a regular balanced world, and would most likely end themselves if they happened to live in one. it is their disconnection that allows them to succeed where "regular" people fail. and it is because they are not regular people that they do not have friends.
 

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Meh, I'd say it makes a game less immersive, personally. If a character comes up and starts talking about pre-game experiences, I can't relate, because I don't know what they're on about, so the character just isn't ME anymore. Friends that you gain throughout the game though, that seems better.
 

carpathic

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Truly excellent. I had not even really thought about this, but it does explain why I found Fallout 3 to be a very immersive game for totally different reasons than New Vegas.

Keep writing, I'll keep reading!