3 things i just simply dont understand/an enlightening thread

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XT inc

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Maybe people are tired of being shit on by dev companies at every turn, where gaming went from a glorious one off with all the bells and whistles. To Project 10 dollar, day one DLC, DLC on the disc that won't unlock without a code. Character models at a premium, money grubbing for every little thing of interest, Hype and Lies abound, knowing cold hard fact by they time they release the complete/ GOTY edition(that's all it is) the community will have moved on and the game will be dust.

Now I don't pirate games, I rent them or ignore them, because a non rpg dev hasn't made a game that can't be wrung dry of content within my 11 dollar 7 day trial, and now that's being threatened by these locked multi player codes, and content locking new game codes.
 

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TestECull said:
rokkolpo said:
TestECull said:
1. Piracy isn't theft. Yes, it's illegal. Some would even argue it's wrong. But it isn't theft. Theft, by definition, requires depriving the owner of the original, while piracy merely copies that original. I wish people could get this misconception out of their heads...
Software works different in the ''stealing'' department.
No, it doesn't.


Stealing software = walking into a store and shoplifting the disc.
Pirating software = illegally copying it, whether by torrent, usenet, P2P, borrowed disc, whatever.

Now guess which one actually deprived the owner of the original.....
Well sure it's copyright infringement.
But that's still taking something (data) that belongs to someone else (even if he has infinite amounts of it), without permission from that person.

I don't care much about the technical term, that's stealing.
 

MarlaminLTarmiko

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I'm a lazy bastard, so I'm just going to link to videos that go over these points.
Why Scott Pilgrim failed - http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/teamt/dw/skitches/27623-dw-5reasonswhyscottpilgrimflopped
Going over Piracy - http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/2653-Piracy
and I'm going to assume the spiderman in shoes is fake. If not.... hmm.
 

SenseOfTumour

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I'll just take the SP one....

Scott Pilgrim was about a nerd/hipster crossover thing aimed at gamers with added weird stuff, and was epic for those it was aimed at.

The vast majority of Hollywood Movies are fairly average but aimed at 90% of the population (or at least 90% of a gender, in the case of sappy lurve movies about lurve, or movies where guys fart and then stuff blows up)

As ever, and as demonstrated by what gets cancelled on TV and what gets recommisionned for 173 seasons, being mediocre and vaguely entertaining to 10 million people is FAR better than being fantastic and truly loved by 3 million, in the eyes of those with money, and they're the only people who matter in the industry.
 

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3. what the hell in the great universe made sony decide THIS.http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/Andrew-Garfield-Spider-Man-costume.jpg should be the new SP suit , and if that wasn't enough THIS. http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/spider-man-reboot-set-photo.jpg an angsty reboot of spider man i can handle but thats.. thats just unacceptable
The second photo is almost certainly a stunt suit, and won't ever be seen in all its glory on screen.
 

Mittens The Kitten

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On piracy,why is there this bizzare fetish with the word "stealing". Just say its wrong, its more of an insult that way too. We have definitions for a reason and we don't need to go against them, proving that piracy is stealing doesnt automatically make it wrong and most of the people who say it isn't stealing arent even defending piracy. If you really want to attach it to a seperate crime, counterfeiting would be far more accurate.
 

Jordi

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1. I think at least one reason people seem to defend piracy is that they hate stupidity. For instance, piracy is not stealing, plain and simply. It is wrong, but it is not stealing. People claiming it is makes my blood cringe. It is also not (as bad as) murder, rape, etc.
As to why people do it: it's cheap, easy, low-risk and we all know of all the reasons some people use to justify it, so it might not feel very wrong either for some people.

2. Was it really that well received? I mean, most people around this website, or in your social circle, might like it. But that's not really a very representative sample, is it? But if you are right, maybe it has to do with marketing. I think that box office success is determined like 99.9% through marketing and maybe .1% by the quality of the movie, because they only measure the first weekend, so anyone going then is not making that decision based on how good the movie is, because nobody knows yet.
I don't know how the marketing in the US was though, as I don't live there. I just know that I have not seen anything about it in The Netherlands. If the US marketing was okay, maybe it just wasn't such a great idea to premier in the same weekend as The Expendables.

3. Are those two pictures of the same suit?
 

Thaluikhain

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People can defend piracy because they view it in such a way that it isn't a crime.

As well as the argument over whether or not it constitutes stealing, which is simply an argument over definition, alot of people view it as simply not being a crime. Downloading something for personal use that you wouldn't otherwise have spent money on is not costing the developers anything, and so fulfills the "as long as I'm not harming anyone else" ideal.

Then again, there are those who flat out hate games developers for being greedy and wanting to turn a profit by expecting to be paid for their work.
 

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In regards to the Piracy issue: I pirate game/films/music and I pretty much always have done. I'm not going to try and justify it with some sort of poorly thought-out socio-economic arguement either. If people think it's wrong and condem those that pirate then fair enough, but I don't really have a strong opinion either way.

If anything I feel better about admitting that it's illegal/immoral/whatever and being honest about pirating anyway than if I were pirating software and either lying about it or justifying it.
 

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I,ll take the SP one: its because 90% of the movie public has no taste (it also explains why Sletzerberg is still making refferce,s not movies refferences and why Twilight has so many fans) its also original which people dont get it also has allot of in jokes about gaming subculture
 

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WAIT EVERYONE STOP THE PRESSES!
Look at spidermans wrists. Praise Thor. I spy mechanical web-shooters. Mechanical web shooters

Well in my book that excuses the lightening fast reboot time, and that horrendous looking second photo.
 

Murray Whitwell

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1) Well even Gabe Newell (CEO, Valve) defends pirates to an extent in that he sees them as victims of bad service on behalf of publishing firms. He noted in an interview with Jeremy Ray at E3 a few years ago that pirates are not a threat to Valve because they feel that the Steam platform offers the end user a better service in terms of DRM and software accessibility than, say, Ubisoft and their disastrous approach to prevention of piracy, which in the end results in a negative experience even for paying customers.
Instead of taking an intrusive approach that impacts on the whole consumer experience, Valve tries to give customers a service that is ultimately a better choice than piracy due to the hassle free DRM, and security of software by being tied to accounts.
This is why Steam is fast becoming the biggest videogame distribution channel. They offer a better choice than piracy.
 

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1Well, some people are under the impression that if a game is bad in any kind of way that that is an exuse for downloading it.

2Well, you know the catagorie of people for which the movie was made mainly consists of movie downloaders

3Well, as of lately everything has to be grindy and realistic (James Bond par example) and I that they think that by changing things people'll get interested.
 

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1. I don't think I'd be too bothered if they genuinely can't afford it... which reminds me I probably should register my Atari ST copy of Llamatron sometime soon, as back when it was current I couldn't scrape together the £5 cost (I was a child, not in a position to have any kind of paid work, and my parents wouldn't pay for it or give serious pocket money) so just kept on playing through the shareware warnings.
If they're someone who obviously can afford it but just likes getting stuff for free, it's maybe a different matter.

I'm a bit confused by the question being asked by a (presumably american) college student, as I certainly didn't have the kind of money required to be that morally picky when I was there. After rent, tuition, normal living costs and some semblance of a social life, there wasn't a great deal left. I was without transport when my bicycle was stolen in my first year until the insurance payout came through, and was king of the goddamn world with my cheap and nasty car in the third year, having worked my ass off all summer to afford it. And this was even with some support from ma + pa and a generous great aunt, and not going on lunatic clothes shopping sprees like some of my contemporaries. I had the stereo which I'd had since I was 12, and a scrappy hacked-together PC, on which were played the handful of albums and singles I actually owned, and an about equal number of P2P'd mp3s (burnt as audio on super cheap CDR with an ancient burner) and copies. If we wanted to see films, it was usually collectively around someone's small TV if it was on-air, or they had the VHS or (ooh!!) DVD, which I think is itself illegal as it counts as a group showing (the times that some larger group booked out a lecture hall to show a rented movie definitely were illegal, even though they didn't charge admission beyond chipping in to get the renter a drink). When I finally managed to stretch to a DVD player of my own - size of a mediaeval castle and about as primitive - the majority of material that went into it was on homemade VCD from P2P DivXs. Just so I could chill out on the bed watching it on a "proper" (14 inch, mono) TV, rather than hunched up at the computer desk (and its 15" monitor and stereo speakers).

My legal audio and movie collection is a lot larger now, and I buy actual books rather than downloading cracked ebooks, but I still remember being in that position. I already ended my days there right up against my credit card and overdraft limits, eating 10p noodles cooked in a travel kettle (and driving back home, at last, at 50mph to eke out the last of the petrol, praying that my unreliable fuel guage didn't let me down halfway as I was nearly out of pay-as-you-go credit for my craptacular cell phone). I simply didn't have the budget to buy anything else. Studying already took up more spare time than I had (one big thing that I didn't really pirate at college was games, despite having done it a lot at school - someone gave me a cracked version of halflife, I had a few rounds of halfhearted counterstrike and that was it... couldn't afford the time) so getting a job during the semester was out of the question. Cinema trips were incredibly rare. Concerts, right out. Our TV and radio signals were horrifically bad. The entertainment had to come from somewhere (NB, this was before youtube et al)...

2. A large proportion of moviegoers are idiots, it would seem. Though if they enjoy what they go to see, who are we to try and force them to do otherwise?
Personally I wasn't massively impressed by Scott Pilgrim. It was an alright film and something a bit different, but felt rushed and didn't stand up to the hype. Apparently it's not the best representation that could have been made of the source material, largely because they've squashed seven editions of a comic book into a single 2-hour film, and that rarely goes well. If it was a touch longer (maybe with an intermission) and had some of the supposedly missing exposition restored (e.g. how is this limp streak of piss so good at beating down random hard cases? Oh actually he's a locally reknowned streetfighter as well as being good at DDR... yeah that didn't make the cut) it may have been a bit more enjoyable rather than a long parade of SFX and non sequiteurs, and word of mouth may have supported it more.
I might yet give the comics a go. If they're "better" than the movie, after all, it won't be a total waste of time.

3. At a guess, i'd say "Kick-Ass did" for the first pic, and "what's the problem with that? it looks a bit cheesy, but a man dressed up in red and blue spandex with shiny silver eyes running around new york always will" for the second.
 

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YOUM@D123 said:
tl;dr
why do people pirate?

why did scott pilgrim maake so little money


why?> http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/spider-man-reboot-set-photo.jpg
1. Because they can and it's "free." Doesn't make it right, but if you have an easy cheap (or free) option with limited chance of getting caught, you will have people who will do it.

2. Lot of reasons, but one of them was just marketing. The movie was terribly marketed.

3. Is that even real?
 

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1. People are greedy.
2. It was a movie that would never appeal to a large majority of the viewing public and it was an incredibly bad movie with a few puns to make the gamer kids go "oooh I get it" while being a completely pointless movie.
3. Wasn't interested in the reboot before, am not interested in it still.
 

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YOUM@D123 said:
1. Dunno, why do people shoplift?
2. I am going to list movies that did not fare well in the box office, but nonetheless were some of the greatest movies of all time: Citizen Kane, Shawshank Redemption, Fight Club, Big Lebowski and Unusual Suspect (also Watchmen, too good of a movie). Scott Pilgrim was an truly exceptional film, too bad the general population is stupid.
3. Meh, as i have been reading spider-man since i was 6 and suffered through the dark-age of comic books, i can safely say that costume is tame compared to some of the shit they made up in the 90's.