40k vs. Starcraft

[Denamic]

Welcome to 10 years ago.
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[McNinja]

Now I know that I'll get quite a bit of flak for this but I believe that Starcraft is a near carbon copy of Warhammer 40k. Just take a look.

The Starcraft creators have stated that they got some of their ideas from WH40k. It's been discussed quite a bit. I'm surprised most people don't know that.

 

[McNinja]

I think the internet is well aware of this connection and has been for quite some time.

Your point?

I would challenge that. I saw a post on the topic about the trailer for space marine basically decrying it for being the distillation of everything terrible about the genre "They've even called it Space Marine! How much more unoriginal can you get." I had to explain that Space Marines pre-date any of the pale bastards that dare take the name.

Gamers have this weird thing about games where being the 1st to do something is for some reason really important, whereas being a copy, even if a BETTER copy is somehow inferior.

The way I look at it, Starcraft takes a concept like tabletop gaming and makes it cheaper and user-friendly. And they were massively successful with it. Yeah, 40K came first, but 1st doesn't mean that you are the best.

First is the worst, second is the best. Not necessarily but it's been put to the test. And Starcraft is more fun than WH40k. Even though I play both.

 

[Grospoliner]

You would be right. Starcraft is a copy of Warhammer 40k, as Blizzard had initially wanted to develop an IP based on WH40k.

 

[Elamdri]

I think the internet is well aware of this connection and has been for quite some time.

Your point?

I would challenge that. I saw a post on the topic about the trailer for space marine basically decrying it for being the distillation of everything terrible about the genre "They've even called it Space Marine! How much more unoriginal can you get." I had to explain that Space Marines pre-date any of the pale bastards that dare take the name.

Gamers have this weird thing about games where being the 1st to do something is for some reason really important, whereas being a copy, even if a BETTER copy is somehow inferior.

The way I look at it, Starcraft takes a concept like tabletop gaming and makes it cheaper and user-friendly. And they were massively successful with it. Yeah, 40K came first, but 1st doesn't mean that you are the best.

First is the worst, second is the best. Not necessarily but it's been put to the test. And Starcraft is more fun than WH40k. Even though I play both.

I've never played 40K, and I'm not disparaging 40K, but it's undeniable that Starcraft has been the more successful IP.

 

[Godhead]

I think the internet is well aware of this connection and has been for quite some time.

Your point?

Needed to vent some steam, I know its been around forever as I said.

Well, it isnt new. IIRC the starcraft team started working on a warhammer game before they split (for XYZ reason). Now even if they kinda look alike on the surface, they are both very much different both in lore and gameplay.

I love both. Warhammer 40k is a rich setting ( i use a ultramarine army, pretty solid) and the tabletop game is FUN. Starcraft is fun too and i like the storyline.

On a random note I think the Ultramarines are a little too over-used, not that they don't look cool or anything, don't get me wrong, it's just that they should use the Dark Angels or Imperial Fists, Space Wolves, Soul Drinkers, etc. Just to give a little more diversity instead of using one chapter of hundreds.

Never the Soul Drinkers! Never again. Yes I can maybe buy a renegade Space Marine Chapter that is still loyal to the Imperium. But they also worship Chaos?? THE FUCK

OT: Yes, and there have been many arguments at the hobby shop where I preside in all of my free time.

Edit: Sorry about that, guess I need to go reread the novel and not skip a whole bunch of shit this time. :/

 

[Hawk of Battle]

I think the internet is well aware of this connection and has been for quite some time.

Your point?

I would challenge that. I saw a post on the topic about the trailer for space marine basically decrying it for being the distillation of everything terrible about the genre "They've even called it Space Marine! How much more unoriginal can you get." I had to explain that Space Marines pre-date any of the pale bastards that dare take the name.

Erm, what? You're challenging what exactly? I never said anything about who was first or anything about Space Marine or the originally of either title. I was merely pointing out that this thread has been done to death and is pretty pointless.

 

[Inquisitor Slayde]

I think the internet is well aware of this connection and has been for quite some time.

Your point?

I would challenge that. I saw a post on the topic about the trailer for space marine basically decrying it for being the distillation of everything terrible about the genre "They've even called it Space Marine! How much more unoriginal can you get." I had to explain that Space Marines pre-date any of the pale bastards that dare take the name.

Gamers have this weird thing about games where being the 1st to do something is for some reason really important, whereas being a copy, even if a BETTER copy is somehow inferior.

The way I look at it, Starcraft takes a concept like tabletop gaming and makes it cheaper and user-friendly. And they were massively successful with it. Yeah, 40K came first, but 1st doesn't mean that you are the best.

First is the worst, second is the best. Not necessarily but it's been put to the test. And Starcraft is more fun than WH40k. Even though I play both.

I've never played 40K, and I'm not disparaging 40K, but it's undeniable that Starcraft has been the more successful IP.

I disagree. Starcraft games are a bigger deal than 40K games, however the 40K IP is a much greater success than the Starcraft one.

40K novels makes it into best seller lists, 40K has moved beyond the RTS genre, the tabletop game and RPG books are very successful.

Sure, Starcraft is a much bigger franchise than its direct competitor, Dawn Of War, but it is by no mean the more successful IP.

Full disclosure though, I don't really care for Starcraft that much and I am a massive 40K fanboy. My judgement may be clouded.

 

[McNinja]

Saying one is worse than the other due to lore or whatever means that you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Both have books, both are fairly deep, and seeing as Warhammer 40,000 was created in the 80's, they kind of have a head start. I find the Starcraft lore to be quite intersting, as well as the Warhammer 40k lore.

Also, Dawn of War and Starcraft are both great games. This time, however, Starcraft has a several year headstart and DoW's mechanics are very different. Not entirely, but if you've played the games you know how they're different. If not, look it up. Or ask.

 

[Master Kuja]

There's a reason why Starcraft appears to be a carbon copy of 40k, as stated, that would be because Starcraft was originally meant to be a 40k game which GW pulled the plug on. Blizz changed just enough to avoid copyright issues and released it anyway, hence the racial similarities.
Starcraft has a really shitty lore compared to 40k however

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

Now I know that I'll get quite a bit of flak for this but I believe that Starcraft is a near carbon copy of Warhammer 40k. Just take a look.

You mean you didn't already know that this is true? Starcraft was originally a 40k game. At least, that's the apocryphal story that comes up every time this is mentioned. Plus there's also the fact that 40k started around the 80's.

 

[Tzekelkan]

this is a neutral arguement in the way I'm presenting it.

I laughed.

Who cares who got inspired from who? What, are you jealous that Starcraft is popular? That's a great, adult way of thinking right there, amirite?

I'm a big fan of Starcraft, but I'm only familiar with 40k through Dawn of War 2, which I loved. They can both co-exist peacefully, don't you think? It's not Pepsi vs. Cola. Chances are, if you like one game you probably like the other as well, extremely different though they may be.

 

[EvilMaggot]

dont really care... both good game IP's enjoy ehm both ^^

 

[flaming_squirrel]

A game is not a book last time I checked so Its kind of retarded to compare writers when they are for two differant things.
The starcraft campaign has absolutely demolished anything that dawn of war ever offered?
Wheres your fantastic stories? What? Can you hear the crickets chirping?
And the Dawn of War series IS 40 k.
Oh I see starcraft demolishes Dawn of war in every aspect thanks.
Thus it better then 40k.

So what you're basically saying is back story is of no importance, huh.

Fantastic stories? Gaunts Ghosts series, Horus Heresy series, both best sellers.

You made absolutely no valid points, especially as Starcraft is a very simple cut and paste rip off of 40k. Not that I'm really blaming Blizzard for that, as many people have said SC was originally a 40k based strategy game.



Also I really wish people would stop acting like 40k originated from Dawn of War, go do some research.

 

[Airsoftslayer93]

Im pretty sure warcraft was originally a warhammer fantasy game, and therefore starcraft would have been inspired by 40k

 

[fundayz]

Warhammer/Warhammer 40k are incredibly better IP's than whatever Warcraft/Starcraft can ever hope to be.

The depth of the lore is better, the races are more varied and have much more character, the setting is actually original rather than a copy, more complex themes are used in the storytelling, etc.

This is nothing new.

 

[Jodah]

I dunno whats worse, the console vs pc fight or the Warhammer/40k vs Warcraft/Starcraft fight.

 

[OneEyeX]

40k. Blizzard games rarely interest me, with the exception of Warcraft 3 & Diablo 2.

Warcraft 3?

You mean DotA?

 

[flaming_squirrel]

For those who're unsure of how long 40k video games have been going:

1992: Space crusade
1993: Space hulk
1995: Final Liberation
1998: Chaos Gate
1999: Rites of War
2003: Fire Warrior
2004: Dawn of War
(Winter assault, dark crusade, soulstorm)
2006: Glory in Death, no, I'd never heard of it either
2007: Squad Command
2009: DoW2
(Chaos Rising, Retribution)


2011: Space Marine
2013: Dark Millenium Online


So even when only taking video games into account I'd say they've been pretty successful with 15 releases.

 

[SpaceCop]

Blizzard has long been influenced by Games Workshop. Orc being green? Started by the Warhammer guys. And there are rumours out there that the first Warcraft was originally going to be a Warhammer adaptation that GW backed out of before development was finished--though I don't know if I'd go so far as to believe that.

But really, sci fi and fantasy are genres with little-to-no real originality. Everyone borrows from everyone else. Starcraft has huge doses of Warhammer 40k in it, yes, but also, say, Aliens. And hell, most of the background for WH40k, including space marines, terminators and bolters, was taken from an earlier tabletop game called Laserburn.

Geeky genres share a lot of overlap. I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing.

And as a last note, Andy Chambers, who was a big name at Games Workshop throughout their entire history and a writer of the Warhammer 40k rulebooks, was hired by Blizzard as the creative director for Starcraft II.

So. You know.