Swedish Police Complain About Anti-Piracy Law

Andy Chalk

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Swedish Police Complain About Anti-Piracy Law


Police in Sweden say the introduction of tough anti-piracy legislation last year has had the unintended consequence of making it harder to catch real criminals who operate online.

In April 2009 Sweden introduced [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7978853.stm] the Intellectual Property Rights Enforcement Directive, which allows IP rights holders to demand personal information about alleged pirates from internet service providers. But a loophole in the system that's being exploited by several Swedish ISPs has rendered the law virtually worthless and made the pursuit of other online criminals significantly more difficult in the process.

IPRED can be used to compel internet providers to turn customer information over to rights holders, but there's no law on the books that actually requires ISPs to maintain that data in the first place. One particularly vocal opponent of the law, Bahnhof, simply stopped storing data about which IPs were provided to which users, a maneuver which was soon followed by others. As a result, the law has become effectively worthless because the data it targets no longer exists.

But that's led to a more serious problem, according to National IT Crime Unit Chief Anders Ahlqvist. Since the data is no longer being kept, it's much more difficult for police to track people who commit serious crimes online. "It is a major concern, for example, when minors are exploited for sexual purposes via the internet but we cannot trace the perpetrators because logging information is missing," he said.

Predictably, rather than scrapping or modifying IPRED, the Swedish government appears likely to launch a new "data retention directive" which will force ISPs to store customer data.

Source: TorrentFreak [http://torrentfreak.com/police-say-anti-piracy-law-makes-catching-criminals-harder-100517/]


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Jared

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Well, makes sense. If you put something out to try and stop people. Those who are really out to go against it will find a way around it and go underground
 

GrinningManiac

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Didn't Pirates of the Caribbean teach them anything? The Pirates always win because Law and Order are (apparantly) the bad guys

Also, I would kill to see Pirates of the Baltic
 

KeyMaster45

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This is what happens when you get overzealous in trying to stop piracy(IE to much of a good intention), you start to impede on law enforcement trying to catch real criminals instead of some punk college kid DL'ing the newest rock album or blockbuster movie.
 

Cherry Cola

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Furburt, make a bed ready, I'm leaving this country first thing in the morning! It's all too silly for me!
 

Arkhangelsk

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Ah, my home is so silly. But I don't think the pirates have anything to worry about, not as long as there are apartments and unprotected wireless networks.
 

xqxm

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.. which is EXACTLY what we, the sane people who were against this BS said before its implementation. If you make it easier to monitor the internet, there is going to come much more technology for organizing into Darknets, and ISP's will help their customer retain their privacy, making it easier for real criminals to hide. The EU are a bunch of wankers and i hope we secede very shortly.

Lots of laws in Sweden at the moment come directly from the European Union, and as we all know, most laws passed in the European Union spring from lobbyists who have meeting around the goddamn clock with the MP's. I honestly see no upside WHATSOEVER to membership in this tomfoolery.
 

Treblaine

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Right, so not only are the legally mandated to hand over information, but they are legally mandated to collect information.

Why don't they just call a spade a space and call this the "Pro-Corporate Espionage Bill" as really the Swedish govt are LITERALLY demanding the ISPs to spy on their customers for the benefit of companies' whims.

Seriously, this is Stasi shit.
 

rembrandtqeinstein

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The rights holders/executives are just in the anger stage of the 5 stages of grief...

1. denial: "This inermajingy isn't going to do anything at all. I mock it from my mountaintop fortress while I take a trip to my hookers and blow vault!"
2. anger: "How dare those people who like music and movies consume it how they want, when they want, rather than how we tell them to! I'm going to get my pet legislator to put a stop to this!"
3. bargaining: "Please music/movie/game fans, keep paying us $18 for the cd of 12 crap songs and the one good one! Please keep paying full price for the sequel to the sequel to the movie that shouldn't have been made in the first place! Please pay $60 to buy our Extreme Extreme Sports Game 2011 the only difference from the last version is having one more Extreme in the title than Extreme Sports Game 2010! I can't afford plutonium for my solid gold rocket car unless you let me rip you off!"
4. depression: hopefully the execs just off themselves but they probably won't.
5. acceptance: "Our monopoly on distribution is broken. Artists now connect directly with fans and publishers are no loner necessary, we will now go out and get real jobs."

Or to misappropriate a great quote "The more the copyright mafia tightens their grip, the more customers and fans slip through their fingers." Case study, see napster vs kazaa.
 

neoman10

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Commander Breetai said:
And now, for the Swedes in the audience:

<img src=http://i45.tinypic.com/ru1qnn.jpg>
that looks more like dutch to me :)

Kinda-OT: I must learn where that picture is from! D:<
 

jeejbe

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Commander Breetai said:
And now, for the Swedes in the audience:

<img src=http://i45.tinypic.com/ru1qnn.jpg>
Is that supposed to be Swedish? It isn't.
 

Citrus

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jeejbe said:
Is that supposed to be Swedish? It isn't.
Looks like the joke flew over your head.

Anyway, this is pretty lame for Sweden. Making it illegal for the ISPs not to store people's personal information and online logs is straying into some nasty Orwellian territory.
 

jeejbe

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Citrus Insanity said:
jeejbe said:
Is that supposed to be Swedish? It isn't.
Looks like the joke flew over your head.

Anyway, this is pretty lame for Sweden. Making it illegal for the ISPs not to store people's personal information and online logs is straying into some nasty Orwellian territory.
Oooooh..boy do I feel like a douche now.
 

manaman

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GOOOOO SWEDEN!

Sort of, go ISPs at least!


The government wouldn't make a law allowing on person to access banking information from a company in case that company might on an off day be doing something funny with their money. So why allow a company access to private information about a person just on the off hand they might possibly have done something illegal?

Imagine a law where your local department store was forced to give out all of your shopping habit information to WalMart when it asked, because they have the highest loss to theft in the US, and they want to see if possibly the items are being returned at another store.

Now if the government wanted to say subpoena the records and force them to keep them as part of an investigation then there really isn't much else to say, but this is forcing one private organization to give up private information to another.

I say the entire world needs to gather together and sue the pants off the RIAA, and their like, for all the crap they have giving people of the years.
 

fletch_talon

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Commander Breetai said:
And now, for the Swedes in the audience:

<img src=http://i45.tinypic.com/ru1qnn.jpg>
You're awesome.
That was awesome.
Bork Bork Bork.

And I wholeheartedly support this initiative to stop pirating, they probably should have forseen the whole collecting data issue before hand though.
And I don't care how much they value their user's rights to privacy, the ISPs are idiots, did they not consider the possibility that they would be aiding more serious criminals by taking this action.