Bobby Kotick Is Ok with Used Game Sales

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Bobby Kotick Is Ok with Used Game Sales



The Activision CEO calls out EA's Project Ten Dollar and says he's OK with gamers looking for value in old games.

Used game sales are an interesting problem for the videogame industry. On the one hand, games want to be treated like all other works of art like books and movies when it comes to issues like censorship. The catch is that, like book sand movies, once you buy a game, you own it and are free to sell it again for as much or as little as the market determines. The problem is that many gamers only buy used games, and retailers like GameStop sell them for only $5 or so off what the original price is. Publishers earn no money from used game sales and that drives up the cost of making games and the price point at which they can be sold. Bobby Kotick, CEO of Activision, doesn't think that used game sales are a problem that must be dealt with by taking away value from games, and instead argues that game companies should provide more content.

"We're not doing anything to suppress used games today," he said. "What we've tried to do is to really support our audiences and, you know, when you talk to players, they like the idea of having a currency. They like the idea of being able to take a game they no longer want to play and use it to get a credit to buy new games.

"We can do some of these things that EA and others have done," said Kotick, referring to EA's Project Ten Dollar [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/98808-EA-Sports-Jumping-On-Project-Ten-Dollar-Bandwagon] which allowed you to download content only if you have a new copy. "We actually don't think its in the best interest of the gamer, and so we've chosen not to."

What he has done is provide game content that keeps customers paying money even after they have a game, such as the map packs for Modern Warfare 2. "From a financial perspective you look at [used game sales] and say, 'Okay, well the retailer is not paying us anything for the privilege of doing it and you know we invest all this capital in making a game and we are not getting any credit, any return on their resale of the game,' but, you know something, the best way to keep people engaged in your game experience is keep giving them more great content."

Kotick is also taking a cue from the Blizzard arm of his company, and realizes that a subscription service for Call of Duty may not be feasible given the 2,500 customer service employees that Blizzard employs worldwide. "Because of our Blizzard experience we have an incredible understanding of how important the provision of appropriate customer service is," Kotick said, but he's concerned that the increase to Xbox Live subscription fees won't benefit his company. "What we'd like to ideally see is that the investment in the subscription fees going towards the provision of a higher level of customer service ... to see some portion of the subscription fees go towards game enhancement."

Dissing Project Ten Dollar may have been a cheap dig at Electronic Arts, but I actually understand a lot of what Kotick is saying here. Not that I agree with it, but at least I understand.

Source: Joystiq [http://www.joystiq.com/2010/11/12/bobby-kotick-on-the-business-of-call-of-duty-dlc-treyarch-inf/]



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aseelt

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You know Activision talks a lot. A lot. They're always in the news with some of press release or statement from Kotick or Tippl or whoever. Blizzard however says nothing which is what I prefer, hunkering down and making games.

Why the discrepancy?
 

Femaref

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Because Activision doesn't make games, they publish them. They have their studios who make the game, so they have time to talk.
 

RatRace123

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Damn it Kotick! That actually sounds kinda reasonable, from a buisness standpoint.
Though the DLC could be things that were deliberately left out of the game, solely to put them in as DLC later.
 

Exort

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What Kotick first public statment that doesn't involve "LOL, you guys are loser to buy our game"!!
 

Littaly

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What's up with Kotick lately, is the whole "I'm Satan, buy my games! NAO!" not working for him?
 

Exort

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Littaly said:
What's up with Kotick lately, is the whole "I'm Satan, buy my games! NAO!" not working for him?
Well he is still cheap shoting EA but in a way that gamers would agree.
 

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I've been itching to get this question off my chest for a while now: why can't people find a way around the used games issue like movies seem to have done with their used DVD market? Or is the movie industry facing the same problem yet being much less vocal about it?
 
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The only thing I don't agree with here and it is what I have always thought of DLC is they can be sneaky. By being sneaky they can leave content out of a game purposefully only to add it in later as DLC and actually stealth increase the price of games.
 
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Meh, I've given up being angry with this guy. Let him talk through his hat all he wants.

Case in point: Quote from the interview:
"You know, Call of Duty games probably represent more than 50% of the total Xbox Live traffic," Bobby Kotick told me when I asked him about Microsoft's recent $10 Xbox Live price hike.
Really? You arrived at that figure how?

The 2,500 Customer service reps? All on WoW. The subscription based service.

but he's more interested in seeing any cost increase in the service go towards "directly benefitting the Call of Duty players."
What actually happens is that those people who bought Black Ops on day 1 also buy all the DLC that's thrown at them. They pay for those lavish hotels that he enjoys.

Gamers? Usually they whip up a storm on how they're being expected to pay $15 for a map pack that's a lot of reskins.

When asked about his thoughts on the future of the $60 boxed retail product Kotick said, "We haven't really raised the price of our products.
...Nah, finished listening to this guy.
 

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Exort said:
Littaly said:
What's up with Kotick lately, is the whole "I'm Satan, buy my games! NAO!" not working for him?
Well he is still cheap shoting EA but in a way that gamers would agree.
Yah, but he kind of used to cheap shoot gamers in a way gamers don't agree.

This sudden turn of events is pleasant yet unsettling. It's like The Penguin running for mayor in Batman Returns.
 

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Littaly said:
Exort said:
Littaly said:
What's up with Kotick lately, is the whole "I'm Satan, buy my games! NAO!" not working for him?
Well he is still cheap shoting EA but in a way that gamers would agree.
Yah, but he kind of used to cheap shoot gamers in a way gamers don't agree.

This sudden turn of events is pleasant yet unsettling. It's like The Penguin running for mayor in Batman Returns.
Actually, what I think he's saying is: "We won't give free DLC, we'll charge you $10 whether you bought it retail or used. See? We're fair that way!"
 

Woodsey

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Is Project 10 Dollar the thing where they give away a slice of DLC for free if you buy it new? What's wrong with that (apart from the silly name)?
 

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I would agree with Kotick if his idea was actually executed in its pure form. Instead, he's talking about a road of half games, where you digitally buy the second half of the title as DLC. It's just an excuse to charge more for less. Don't think that he's some artist visionary. He's a businessman, first and last.
 

GiantRedButton

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So if he says that does it make used games bad?
I'm pretty much on his side with this.
The problem isn't use games, the problem is Gamestop.
 

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I would agree with him, but here's a funny story: I went shopping yesterday and came across the local game store. You know what the price tag hanging on the Call of Duty games were? 65 euros, each. Regular brand new releases would fall around 50-60 at most.
 
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Do what Gamestop does. Charge less then Gamestop charged($5 USD less, to be precise). This will cause more people to buy new, more people buying the games in general since they'll be cheaper, and you'll get more money.

Also, charging the appropriate amount of money in different territories would be a smart thing to do. I think you can lower the price in places like the UK and Australia.
 

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Woodsey said:
Is Project 10 Dollar the thing where they give away a slice of DLC for free if you buy it new? What's wrong with that (apart from the silly name)?
For ea sportsgames the "free Dlc" is the ability to play online.
 

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SomeLameStuff said:
Littaly said:
Exort said:
Littaly said:
What's up with Kotick lately, is the whole "I'm Satan, buy my games! NAO!" not working for him?
Well he is still cheap shoting EA but in a way that gamers would agree.
Yah, but he kind of used to cheap shoot gamers in a way gamers don't agree.

This sudden turn of events is pleasant yet unsettling. It's like The Penguin running for mayor in Batman Returns.
Actually, what I think he's saying is: "We won't give free DLC, we'll charge you $10 whether you bought it retail or used. See? We're fair that way!"
Well. That is more like him, and fit what he said prefectly.