A Farewell to Galaxies
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For some reason, all I could think about while reading this article was Randy Marsh yelling, "WE DIDN'T LISTEN!"
Also, Galaxies did it right making Jedi status a special achievement. They chose the wrong mechanism for getting there, but marking it as a rare gift with a high penalty makes it all the more worthwhile. Having a hundred thousand force adepts wandering around The Old Republic is going to make it feel pretty stupid (and not much like the real Star Wars universe). It's too bad the little pussies from SWG couldn't recognize that before screaming to Sony and demanding a lightsaber of their own.
Also, Galaxies did it right making Jedi status a special achievement. They chose the wrong mechanism for getting there, but marking it as a rare gift with a high penalty makes it all the more worthwhile. Having a hundred thousand force adepts wandering around The Old Republic is going to make it feel pretty stupid (and not much like the real Star Wars universe). It's too bad the little pussies from SWG couldn't recognize that before screaming to Sony and demanding a lightsaber of their own.
I'm sorry, I'll miss SW:G I had a lot of fun, back in it's hay day, but after the NGE destroyed the unique leveling and character building aspects that were IMO central to building the universe and the illusion of a living breathing world, I just lost interest... it was still pretty fun to explore the universe and space combat is some of the best in any MMO but the magic wasn't there... I remember spending a few in game weeks on Lok exploring every detail of the planet at the same time accepting random quests to help flesh out the world and socialize with the people in all of the towns there eventually finding one that I really like and joining the guild and than leaving a few days later after the guild leader got a little too friendly with me after he found out I was 12... he was pretty creepy... anyway I completely forgot where I was going with this...
but you will always be remembered Enerlerin Okath of Skyla, member of The Shadow Of The Alliance guild... Master Politician, Ace Pilot, Level 60 Bounty Hunter... previously Rifle/Medical specialized... ;_;
but you will always be remembered Enerlerin Okath of Skyla, member of The Shadow Of The Alliance guild... Master Politician, Ace Pilot, Level 60 Bounty Hunter... previously Rifle/Medical specialized... ;_;
SWG was my first ever MMO; I played the beta and made a lot of good friends (some of which I hope to see again in SWTOR 
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Personally I felt that SWG (Pre-NGE) was a good game but poorly implemented; the crafting system ment that unless your quality was uber your stock was useless and no one would buy it; doctor buffs were essential to do anything in the game and forced players to rely heavily on them. Skills and progression was broken so that you could pretty much grind away at skills afk (ie, dancing and 'tumble monkies'). The game had no instances so group content was difficult to run unless you were very lucky or willing to fight over the scraps some other group would leave behind.
The player structures and cities were cool but it was a 'carebear' mechanic which served no other purpose other than to give you a place to leave all your crap or hang out with your mates; yeah if your a social person then thats great but then the game was reduced to an over complicated chat channel.
The killing blow for me was the NGE Jedi - not that people who grinded them out during the 'hologrind' got left behind or anything like that, but the time frame that the game was set (between New Hope & Empire) was a time where there are very very few Jedi; the ones that are left are either in hiding or being hunted. The NGE then turned them into a common sight where you would see Jedi left and right swinging their lightsabers around like glowsticks, right in front of Empire guard faces who wouldn't flinch.
I think the game was never as good as it could have been because it tried to do too much.
TOR is looking like the game that SWG should have been, can't wait for it to be released!
).Personally I felt that SWG (Pre-NGE) was a good game but poorly implemented; the crafting system ment that unless your quality was uber your stock was useless and no one would buy it; doctor buffs were essential to do anything in the game and forced players to rely heavily on them. Skills and progression was broken so that you could pretty much grind away at skills afk (ie, dancing and 'tumble monkies'). The game had no instances so group content was difficult to run unless you were very lucky or willing to fight over the scraps some other group would leave behind.
The player structures and cities were cool but it was a 'carebear' mechanic which served no other purpose other than to give you a place to leave all your crap or hang out with your mates; yeah if your a social person then thats great but then the game was reduced to an over complicated chat channel.
The killing blow for me was the NGE Jedi - not that people who grinded them out during the 'hologrind' got left behind or anything like that, but the time frame that the game was set (between New Hope & Empire) was a time where there are very very few Jedi; the ones that are left are either in hiding or being hunted. The NGE then turned them into a common sight where you would see Jedi left and right swinging their lightsabers around like glowsticks, right in front of Empire guard faces who wouldn't flinch.
I think the game was never as good as it could have been because it tried to do too much.
TOR is looking like the game that SWG should have been, can't wait for it to be released!
Nice article. I'd only played Galaxies for an hour or so and didn't like the way it played, but I'd played other Sony MMOs and watched them be taken in horribly wrong directions too.
To me this represents one of the biggest faults of SOE - they really represent the faceless monolithic corporation to their playerbase. They're shutting the game down because the license is over, so they have no choice there. However, they could give a shout to Lucas and ask to release the source code to the community, just because it's a good gesture and shows that SOE understands that there IS a community. It's quite likely that Lucas would say no, but at least then SOE would have done something positive. And if they say yes, then SOE would have made a big contribution to the fan base.
To me this represents one of the biggest faults of SOE - they really represent the faceless monolithic corporation to their playerbase. They're shutting the game down because the license is over, so they have no choice there. However, they could give a shout to Lucas and ask to release the source code to the community, just because it's a good gesture and shows that SOE understands that there IS a community. It's quite likely that Lucas would say no, but at least then SOE would have done something positive. And if they say yes, then SOE would have made a big contribution to the fan base.
What I find completely ironic is that there ARE games doing this. They're called "social games" and are pure Skinner-box dreck for gameplay, but they have nailed the reason people play multiplayer games by building essential interdependencies between players that create the social connections everyone needs to feel committed.Dastardly said:
Support for social engagement is completely necessary for any MMO to create engagement and commitment, yet somewhere along the line, for MMO companies,it became all about keeping the players grinding along the leveling path. I think this shows that the MMO companies don't understand the key reason why people play MMOs in the first place instead of playing single-player games, and consequently they've lost their market to everyone else.
You know what? I've honestly never thought of social games in those terms, but you bring up a very interesting point about them that bears more consideration.w00tage said:
Now, for some reason those games never resonated with me, but I'm thinking that might simply be because of the way they tend to punish you for not playing often enough (Damn -- my crops withered!). That's one of the reasons I've quit subscription-based MMOs, as it's almost impossible for me to shake the feeling that if I'm not playing "often enough," I'm basically wasting money...
But the persistence, interaction, and variety these games offer really are a major selling point. Especially the way that interaction is functional in the games--your buddy is watering your crops, and you've got people seeing your creation as a side-effect of that.
Too many games feel like having a character you can 'customize' is enough. But that character ceases to exist when we log out, so it's not a sufficient anchor to keep us in that world. We also know, subconsciously, that instanced content doesn't exist in the world, either, so that housing model also fails to hold us. And our identities are portable, as are our social circles -- how many people use the same character name between games? And how many folks still talk on Teamspeak/etc. with folks who play other games? Tons.
Just like the real world, if there's one thing that never depreciates in value, it's land.
As an ex-MxO player, I find it hard not to blame SOE for many things. SOE had everything they needed to be The MMO powerhouse because they really did have almost everu defining property one could want in the MMO space.. but they squandered it all by essentially sticking their heads up the rear of the EQ series and not bothering to realize what they had going for them.
That said, I do see the point of the article as well. Going back to MxO, while much of the problems with the game were exacerbated by SOE, they really started with the faulty product SOE received from Monolith. And much of the latter issues that existed with MxO were, at best, never made any better by players who continually voiced little about how terrible the game was and how much they hated it (even if they still paid the sub fee and logged in). As a player and guild leader who welcomed newcomers to the game right up until the days before it died, I found myself spending possibly more time trying to explain that the whiners weren't totally right than I spent explaining what SOE had done wrong.
That said, I do see the point of the article as well. Going back to MxO, while much of the problems with the game were exacerbated by SOE, they really started with the faulty product SOE received from Monolith. And much of the latter issues that existed with MxO were, at best, never made any better by players who continually voiced little about how terrible the game was and how much they hated it (even if they still paid the sub fee and logged in). As a player and guild leader who welcomed newcomers to the game right up until the days before it died, I found myself spending possibly more time trying to explain that the whiners weren't totally right than I spent explaining what SOE had done wrong.
I never even played Galaxies...and am looking forward to SWTOR a lot. But reading this...I have to say I genuinely feel pangs of regret that I didn't get to be a part of it. Its potential genuinely sounds awesome and you did a damn good job of putting that feeling into it.
I had the opposite problem. I heard of Galaxies and thought of looking it up...but real life demanded I focus on finishing high school intact with all of my sanity. A shame I guess, but just reading this article made it feel as if I had actually been there. So damn fine job on this article to you, good sir!
I had the opposite problem. I heard of Galaxies and thought of looking it up...but real life demanded I focus on finishing high school intact with all of my sanity. A shame I guess, but just reading this article made it feel as if I had actually been there. So damn fine job on this article to you, good sir!
I preordered MxO for myself and a friend. My god was I disappointed. What a letdown. I didn't go back over time to see if it had changed / improved, because at the time, I just felt so ripped off and they embarrassed me with my friend to boot.StriderShinryu said:
Hey, maybe it'll get a reboot too. I really like the need for intelligence and butt-kicking prowess in games, and that's why I had high hopes for MxO.
SWG was the last of the pre-instance shared-world MMORPGs, and although I only played in its early days, I really enjoyed it for that. The game world did not take shortcuts - player towns were a very tangible thing existing permanently and for all to see. Game-design wise, SOE made a lot of mistakes, and sure, the game did not measure up to DAoC in terms of balancing, but its community was a fun and vibrant place to be, in those early days, mind you.
Now, I am not one of those militant roleplayers you probably expect in some games, but I have to concede that the existence of a role-playing community, i.e. people who try to take the game seriously and immerse themselves in it to tell their own stories, is a very good indicator for the quality of a MMORPG community. SWG had that - up to a certain point somewhere around the availability of Jedis to everyone. It's a pity they are shutting it down, but, like UO, maybe there will be great private servers reviving the game once an Emulator is finished.
Now, I am not one of those militant roleplayers you probably expect in some games, but I have to concede that the existence of a role-playing community, i.e. people who try to take the game seriously and immerse themselves in it to tell their own stories, is a very good indicator for the quality of a MMORPG community. SWG had that - up to a certain point somewhere around the availability of Jedis to everyone. It's a pity they are shutting it down, but, like UO, maybe there will be great private servers reviving the game once an Emulator is finished.
Jedi didn't kill SWG. Let me explain:
When the game came out noone knew how to become a jedi. 99% of the gamers didn't even know if it was possible. Then after a year there were rumors of the first jedi on some servers. Because of that some players started b*tching that they also wanted to be a jedi.
First hint: THIS is where it starts going wrong!!!
SOE being that retarded idiots that they are... Gave in to those little whiny b*tches and implemented the holocron system. Basicly, whenever someone creates a char. Five different professions are chosen ad random from the 32(I think? been a long time...) available. You didn't know this and you didn't know which. If you mastered these five professions you could make a second char on that server who would be a jedi. You could have up to 4 holocrons tell you which jobs you had to master. The last job you would have to guess for yourself.
THEY SHOULD NEVER HAVE IMPLEMENTED THE DAMN HOLOCRONS!!!
Basicly everyone was hunting for holocrons and mastering different professions to get a jedi. But still this could have worked if they left it at that. Because mastering jedi was still INSANELY difficult. If you died 5 times you became a bleu ghost. You could either stay that way or start from the beginning. Also: jedi initiate to somewhere between jedi padawan - jedi, was weak! You could get killed easy by another player. Once a jedi you had a good fighting chance. But a mob of bounty hunters or something like that would still kill you. And it would take you months of grinding to become a jedi. As long as you are a jedi and anyone sees you (including friends, I think only guild members were excluded...) using/holding a lightsaber or using your force powers... You eventually get put on the bounty hunter list. It doesn't take very much to get put on that list... And then actual players would hunt you down untill you are dead. You can kill 10 bounty hunters and the next 10 would be on their way.
So yea a jedi knight was insanely strong. He could walk into a starport and kill 40 guys on his own without breaking a sweat. But becoming a jedi knight was something reserved for the UBER no life freaks. And you think being lagg killed sucks for you? Try grinding for 4 months, 18 hours a day to become a friggin jedi knight. Having died allready 2 times... If you die 3 more times you can say bye bye to all that work and start over...
So basicly jedi weren't that big of a problem. I knew alot of people who had their jedi char but never used it because it was too hard. (This was once a the holocron system was implemented).
But since those whiny b*tches still weren't happy they threw them yet another bone. Revamped the becoming and being jedi system completely. In short: becoming jedi was easy and jedi got nerfed the shit out of. One tkm versus one jedi. The tkm would probably win...
And that is about the time you could really feel SOE stabbing that knife deep into the chest of SWG... Everyone could become a jedi just like that but it didn't mean anything because they were so very very weak...
When the game came out noone knew how to become a jedi. 99% of the gamers didn't even know if it was possible. Then after a year there were rumors of the first jedi on some servers. Because of that some players started b*tching that they also wanted to be a jedi.
First hint: THIS is where it starts going wrong!!!
SOE being that retarded idiots that they are... Gave in to those little whiny b*tches and implemented the holocron system. Basicly, whenever someone creates a char. Five different professions are chosen ad random from the 32(I think? been a long time...) available. You didn't know this and you didn't know which. If you mastered these five professions you could make a second char on that server who would be a jedi. You could have up to 4 holocrons tell you which jobs you had to master. The last job you would have to guess for yourself.
THEY SHOULD NEVER HAVE IMPLEMENTED THE DAMN HOLOCRONS!!!
Basicly everyone was hunting for holocrons and mastering different professions to get a jedi. But still this could have worked if they left it at that. Because mastering jedi was still INSANELY difficult. If you died 5 times you became a bleu ghost. You could either stay that way or start from the beginning. Also: jedi initiate to somewhere between jedi padawan - jedi, was weak! You could get killed easy by another player. Once a jedi you had a good fighting chance. But a mob of bounty hunters or something like that would still kill you. And it would take you months of grinding to become a jedi. As long as you are a jedi and anyone sees you (including friends, I think only guild members were excluded...) using/holding a lightsaber or using your force powers... You eventually get put on the bounty hunter list. It doesn't take very much to get put on that list... And then actual players would hunt you down untill you are dead. You can kill 10 bounty hunters and the next 10 would be on their way.
So yea a jedi knight was insanely strong. He could walk into a starport and kill 40 guys on his own without breaking a sweat. But becoming a jedi knight was something reserved for the UBER no life freaks. And you think being lagg killed sucks for you? Try grinding for 4 months, 18 hours a day to become a friggin jedi knight. Having died allready 2 times... If you die 3 more times you can say bye bye to all that work and start over...
So basicly jedi weren't that big of a problem. I knew alot of people who had their jedi char but never used it because it was too hard. (This was once a the holocron system was implemented).
But since those whiny b*tches still weren't happy they threw them yet another bone. Revamped the becoming and being jedi system completely. In short: becoming jedi was easy and jedi got nerfed the shit out of. One tkm versus one jedi. The tkm would probably win...
And that is about the time you could really feel SOE stabbing that knife deep into the chest of SWG... Everyone could become a jedi just like that but it didn't mean anything because they were so very very weak...