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But he's not wrong that there seems to be a distinct lack of urgency when it comes to this. I keep saying it, but some of what is alleged isn't lawsuit material, its straight up felonies, and there are no arrests, no warrants, Blizzard is just moving on, and the victims are just kinda sorta hoping this will get better some day, maybe. The walkout demands are, if the allegations are true, fucking pathetic. What, more representation? More transparency? More minority groups?! In the rape office? In the drunken grope lunch buffet?
What is being alleged and what is being asked to make parties whole again are not lining up.
EXACTLY

All I am seeing is people on the internet, on your youtubes, twitters, reddits, and forums just online bashing Blizzard right now.

Saying "He said, she said" and "Fuck Blizzard"
 

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The George Floyd protesters didn't wait days till protesting began. As soon as that video of him on the ground came out, everyone was on the streets in a matter of half a day!

The Occupy Wall Street protesters were faster then this!
But he's not wrong that there seems to be a distinct lack of urgency when it comes to this. I keep saying it, but some of what is alleged isn't lawsuit material, its straight up felonies, and there are no arrests, no warrants, Blizzard is just moving on, and the victims are just kinda sorta hoping this will get better some day, maybe. The walkout demands are, if the allegations are true, fucking pathetic. What, more representation? More transparency? More minority groups?! In the rape office? In the drunken grope lunch buffet?
What is being alleged and what is being asked to make parties whole again are not lining up.
George Floyd protestors didn't have to worry about their livelihood's, careers and jobs when they stepped out to protest. These people literally have to step out and call their boss an asshole, and it is no wonder that people would be more hesitant to do that.

Consider that not only do they have to worry about continuing to work for Blizzard, but also have to worry about having Blizzard on their resume for every other game's studio they may move onto from here. It's not as easy to ask someone to fuck over their career, no matter what is happening around them.

It is easy to take a moral stance when you have no personal investment into the consequences of what these people do. Have a bit of respect for that pressure.
 

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George Floyd protestors didn't have to worry about their livelihood's, careers and jobs when they stepped out to protest. These people literally have to step out and call their boss an asshole, and it is no wonder that people would be more hesitant to do that.

Consider that not only do they have to worry about continuing to work for Blizzard, but also have to worry about having Blizzard on their resume for every other game's studio they may move onto from here. It's not as easy to ask someone to fuck over their career, no matter what is happening around them.

It is easy to take a moral stance when you have no personal investment into the consequences of what these people do. Have a bit of respect for that pressure.
Then their cause is a failure if they cannot make that sacrifice.

Change cannot come without blood and pain.
 

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George Floyd protestors didn't have to worry about their livelihood's, careers and jobs when they stepped out to protest. These people literally have to step out and call their boss an asshole, and it is no wonder that people would be more hesitant to do that.

Consider that not only do they have to worry about continuing to work for Blizzard, but also have to worry about having Blizzard on their resume for every other game's studio they may move onto from here. It's not as easy to ask someone to fuck over their career, no matter what is happening around them.

It is easy to take a moral stance when you have no personal investment into the consequences of what these people do. Have a bit of respect for that pressure.
But that's the point. This isn't a moral issue, its a legal one. Why worry about your career and job when your very safety is on the line? What, is some future game dev gonna see "Reported manager for drunken disorderly conduct" on a resume and think they're just not Riot Games material?
We're not talking about office drama and poor professional courtesy, we're talking about victims of crimes. People who have been harassed, assault, raped, revenge porn of them circulated on business trips.
I think its fair to assume the victims won't be asking for letters of recommendation from their abusers.
 

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Then their cause is a failure if they cannot make that sacrifice.

Change cannot come without blood and pain.
"Sorry Timmy, no christmas for us this year because daddy got fired and blacklisted from his career because he made stand against some shit he didn't have anything to do with."

It is not that easy. It isn't. And it isn't just a sacrifice that the one person has to make. It would be a sacrifice for that person's whole fucking family.

Would you fuck over your own children and family so easily? If so, good for you, but for most people that is not a cut and dry choice to make.
 

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Why worry about your career and job when your very safety is on the line?
The vast majority of employees at the company have nothing to do with this and likely only have rumored heresay knowledge of events. You can't expect them to risk their lives for something that doesn't really have anything to do with them.

I support the walkout, and i support any criminal charges that the company and people within may face. But i also can't blame contract developers who just want to keep their jobs in the industry to keep food on the table.
 
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"Sorry Timmy, no christmas for us this year because daddy got fired and blacklisted from his career because he made stand against some shit he didn't have anything to do with."

It is not that easy. It isn't. And it isn't just a sacrifice that the one person has to make. It would be a sacrifice for that person's whole fucking family.

Would you fuck over your own children and family so easily? If so, good for you, but for most people that is not a cut and dry choice to make.
"Truth is, the game was rigged from the start" it seems
 

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Then their cause is a failure if they cannot make that sacrifice.

Change cannot come without blood and pain.
And what precisely have you done? If you're gonna cast stones, you could at least tell us what makes you so special.
 
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And what precisely have you done? If you're gonna cast stones, you could at least tell us what makes you so special.
I am a nobody, I have no power and prospects, bu what I see in society and see that what is unjust will never stop unless people make a sacrifice.

But if that does not work then it is truly hopeless. But then you will tell me "then it is not your place to make those statements" and I say, I have seen examples, and I've learned from those examples that I have seen and that gives me this opinion of what will it take to bring change.
 

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I am a nobody, I have no power and prospects, bu what I see in society and see that what is unjust will never stop unless people make a sacrifice.

But if that does not work then it is truly hopeless. But then you will tell me "then it is not your place to make those statements" and I say, I have seen examples, and I've learned from those examples that I have seen and that gives me this opinion of what will it take to bring change.
Positive change is difficult. What's easy is telling others to make the sacrifice.
 

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George Floyd protestors didn't have to worry about their livelihood's, careers and jobs when they stepped out to protest.
Nah, just bullets, tear gas, truncheons, etc. Oh, also the cops killing organizers after stuff dies down like they did with Ferguson organizers.

Edit: their tires getting slashed, getting arrested, being put on a watch list, catching terrorism charges, developing some new and interesting lung disease from the experimental tear gasses, harassment from Andy Ngo types and their followers…
 

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Nah, just bullets, tear gas, truncheons, etc. Oh, also the cops killing organizers after stuff dies down like they did with Ferguson organizers.

Edit: their tires getting slashed, getting arrested, being put on a watch list, catching terrorism charges, developing some new and interesting lung disease from the experimental tear gasses, harassment from Andy Ngo types and their followers…
There are consequences to rioting. Protesting is one thing, rioting is another. And a lot of people got shot by fellow "protestors".

Needless to say, these are two different situations and should be compared super literally.
 

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EXACTLY

All I am seeing is people on the internet, on your youtubes, twitters, reddits, and forums just online bashing Blizzard right now.

Saying "He said, she said" and "Fuck Blizzard"

Here you go. From a former guild member and friend who still works at Blizz.

EDIT: Lore says that this isn't everyone, just everyone who consented to having a picture taken. There were more behind the camera.
 
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There are consequences to rioting. Protesting is one thing, rioting is another. And a lot of people got shot by fellow "protestors".

Needless to say, these are two different situations and should be compared super literally.
Yeah the cops definitely checked those tires before they slashed them to see if their drivers were rioting. And when they tear gassed multiple blocks to the point it was more disruptive to nearby traffic than the protests they definitely checked that too.

Stop talking about shit you know nothing about to make your argument.
 

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The George Floyd protesters didn't wait days till protesting began. As soon as that video of him on the ground came out, everyone was on the streets in a matter of half a day!

The Occupy Wall Street protesters were faster then this!
  1. That was a murder and exucution of a man out in public and nation wide. Systemic racism and years of police brutality of unarmed black people. My people.
  2. Peoples' money was being fucked with by a lot.
But if that does not work then it is truly hopeless.
Never give up hope. If you can do better risks like this this, let me know.

I was going to add more, but @CriticalGaming gave the most recent twitter post. You and @SilentPony, got what you wanted, so no more of the senseless crying. Stay strong. They're doing it right now; we can all do the same.
 

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That explains so much, yet so little at the same time.
No matter what the actual context is for the use of Bill Cosby.


What people are gonna care about is how it looks, and how it looks is Rapist Blizzard developers venerating their Rapist God Bill Cosby.
 

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Here you go. From a former guild member and friend who still works at Blizz.

EDIT: Lore says that this isn't everyone, just everyone who consented to having a picture taken. There were more behind the camera.
THANK YOU!

Finally action. Why isn't this done more often in the video game industry?!

Film companies had far more strikes/protests then this. Please let this be the first of many in video games companies.