I don't share your optimism. Some religious organizations have existed for a very long time, and are still very powerful. I don't think that those organizations are willing to fade into obscurity. And I fear they'll resource to extreme and dangerous methods to prevent it.Amir Kondori said:It flabbergasts me that so many people still believe in God and all the associated myths and holy books in modern, industrialized countries. You read things like the bible and you see something that was obviously the product of its time, that contradicts itself, that puts forth ideas that most today would find reprehensible, and yet people still believe. I remember reading about the ritual killing of twins by the Kikuyu people of Kenya and thinking "it must suck to live in a place where superstitious belief rules your life and can lead to the death of infants". Of course even in the US many people believe things just as out there.
The trends all point to religion dying out, especially in the developed world, so there is hope that many generations from now no one will believe these harmful myths and base their lives on them.
This forum needs a like button. There is no supernatural event in history.Queen Michael said:That people sponsored Uwe Boll's kickstarter is almost certainly the work of Satan.
Well, as noted, the inability to disprove != proof. If it was, nobody would literally ever be found not guilty of murder because, surprise, you can pick a random person who was home alone for the event and boom, unable to disprove they did it, so they must've done it.Phrozenflame500 said:Pretty much anything purely based on chance, as it's impossible to disprove that there isn't an overriding conciousness controlling it.
That being said, the inability to disprove =/= proof.
Honestly, I was just trying to stir some hopefully amusing discussion around a hypothetical that involved having to effectively pick the subjectively least unreasonable answer from a field of answers that are all, by definition, unreasonable. You'll note in comparison that I didn't have a problem answering a couple of the alternative unreasonable questions presented earlier in the thread as examples of why the question was so wrong (like the duck-fucking question or the one asking for your favorite breed of cat without using a breed of cat that actually exists [who didn't like my answer of a breed of cat from a piece of fiction that was a shapeshifter and thus is the best cat because it is all cats]).chuckdm said:They start from the assumption that there ARE such things that DO exist, and then set themselves upon trying to prove it (in OT's case, crowd-sourcing the actual effort, heh.)
It makes you wonder if we have some underlying neurological disposition for it, doesn't it?chuckdm said:The fact that religion exists in the first place. It is unexplainable how the masses would be willing to all engage, at the same time, in belief in an outright fairy tale, and spend nearly 4,000 years never calling each-other out on their lunacy. THAT is some sort of anti-miracle.
I actually chose the screen name when I needed a name for an MMO character (back in EQ) and more or less picked it at random from a list of Biblical and mythological names.Amir Kondori said:Did anyone notice that the OP's user name is from the bible and is synonymous with extreme devotion to God?
From Wikipedia:
"Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego are men recorded in the book of Daniel Chapters 1?3, known for their exclusive devotion to God. In particular, they are known for being saved by divine intervention from the Babylonian execution of being burned alive in a fiery furnace."
I think the main problem was probably in how you asked the question. Rather than saying "...due to divine influence" the better question to ask might have been "...that you completely can't explain and science did it is not an answer."Schadrach said:Honestly, I was just trying to stir some hopefully amusing discussion around a hypothetical that involved having to effectively pick the subjectively least unreasonable answer from a field of answers that are all, by definition, unreasonable. You'll note in comparison that I didn't have a problem answering a couple of the alternative unreasonable questions presented earlier in the thread as examples of why the question was so wrong (like the duck-fucking question or the one asking for your favorite breed of cat without using a breed of cat that actually exists [who didn't like my answer of a breed of cat from a piece of fiction that was a shapeshifter and thus is the best cat because it is all cats]).chuckdm said:They start from the assumption that there ARE such things that DO exist, and then set themselves upon trying to prove it (in OT's case, crowd-sourcing the actual effort, heh.)
It would be like asking this crowd what their favorite astrological sign was, and instead of getting a discussion about the aesthetics of the actual constellations, or the underlying symbolism, or even the personality traits associated with the signs and their respective valuation, you just get people arguing that since astrology isn't actually of any real value that means we can't discuss the question at all, even hypothetically.
The big bang is a theory therefore it is very possible that if there is an origin of the universe it could be something different or like I said, there is no origin. But sure, the most accepted theory for the origin of the universe in scientific circles is the big bang. Probably, idk.DazBurger said:Yeah, and what if we are in fact, more related to house-cats than apes.Glongpre said:Spontaneous combustion.
What if the universe was not created but instead has always been?broca said:I really can't think of a single thing from human history that fits, but if i look at all history the answer would obviously be the creation of universe.
In both points, evidence suggests otherwise.
You'll recall that I did answer the question, after I explained the issues with the term "supernatural". Besides, you didn't say we shouldn't be replying, (Which I would judge to be the elimination of potentially valuable perspectives) you said I believed myself to be profound. It's erroneous and patronizing to assume that my argument stems from arrogance, regardless of what other similar posters have said.Mick P. said:"You guys" is more than 50% of the responders who try to go all meta on the topic and shouldn't even be replying in the first place because the OP says don't reply if you don't have any scenarios to add.sumanoskae said:Supernatural: (of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.Mick P. said:Supernatural is not a contradiction. A zoo is supernatural. What is supernatural is completely relative. Words don't exist for no reason. You guys are not as profound as you think you are.sumanoskae said:The term "Supernatural" is a contradiction. The word is meant to imply something that does not exist in nature, but since nature encompasses literally everything, if it exists, it's natural.
If by "Supernatural" you mean "The result of an intelligent creator", then I would say the big bang, if only because we know so little about it. That being said, a benign and omnipotent creator is still impossible.
So a Zoo is beyond scientific understanding and the laws of nature?
If you define nature as any phenomenon not relating to humans, then you would submit that any hypothetical species that resembled humans would be "Natural", no matter how much the two had in common, which would be an arbitrary distinction.What makes you think language is infallible?
And what do you mean "What is supernatural is completely relative"? It's a word with a specific definition, how is it relative?
By the way, you said "You guys", as if you were referring to multiple people. So, you either made a simple mistake, or you've placed me inside of a category of people you've judged to have arrogantly assumed themselves profound, which is itself an arrogant assumption.
Supernatural means outside of nature, not science. For a wild animal, that's a zoo. Earth could be a zoo. If you met a zookeeper one day and tried to explain that experience, people would say that it was supernatural. No call to get uppity there.
Of course what is supernatural is relative to the observer. By definition that is the case. The word probably predates modern science, if not the word, the concept.
Evidence suggests that the universe is expanding from a single point, at a gradually decreasing speed.Glongpre said:The big bang is a theory therefore it is very possible that if there is an origin of the universe it could be something different or like I said, there is no origin. But sure, the most accepted theory for the origin of the universe in scientific circles is the big bang. Probably, idk.DazBurger said:Yeah, and what if we are in fact, more related to house-cats than apes.Glongpre said:Spontaneous combustion.
What if the universe was not created but instead has always been?broca said:I really can't think of a single thing from human history that fits, but if i look at all history the answer would obviously be the creation of universe.
In both points, evidence suggests otherwise.