Some transgender people will. Maybe there is a confusion in terms, since these can be different depending on the country or community.FalloutJack said:Actually, transgendered people identify with neither side fully, hence the conversation in another thread about them referring to themselves as 'they' instead of he or she.Machine Man 1992 said:Transgendered people have brain chemistry that makes them think they are the opposite gender of what they were born as.
Ok first of all, being a rapist isn't a mental condition. Second of all, at what point would a depressive person being forced to have their condition removed benefit society as a whole? Third of all, plenty of bi-polar people function perfectly well in society, no need to addle their brains.zumbledum said:depressed people, manic depressives, bi-polar s, sociopaths, psychopaths. pedophiles, rapists, schizophrenics , Munchhausen's , self harmers and most other mental conditions. heck throw in the uneducated ,ignorant,intolerant and people that don't think i'm right!erttheking said:I have yet to encounter any situation where forcefully changing the way people think is a good thing.
This thread is no exception.
Oh look, the thread is over in the very first reply. Who saw that coming?Aerosteam said:Pretty sure giving the person the choice is always the best thing to do.
^FalloutJack said:Actually, transgendered people identify with neither side fully, hence the conversation in another thread about them referring to themselves as 'they' instead of he or she. Not important. You have questions, Jack has answers.Machine Man 1992 said:Transgendered people have brain chemistry that makes them think they are the opposite gender of what they were born as.
OT: I must throw my opinion alongside those who say that the choice is theirs and theirs alone. My reasoning is simple. I have a condition which is also the result of a differing brain from the norm: I am autistic. Let me tell you that people who refer to it as a clinical problem - as though diseased - bother the hell out of me. What scares me is that someone will try to find a cure and that such a thing would diminish who I am.
Because, one thing that these two things could be said to have in common is that they make up an important part of the personality. It might be nice for a severe autistic whose perception and personal reactions do not lead to regular communication capacity with everyone else felt more in line with others enough to have a decent conversation, but I am certain that I derive strength from my unusual perspective. To force that away would be heartless and cruel. And so, by that token, to remove something from someone who does not want that removes should not be done.
The only real exception exists in a case where to leave it be somehow allows it to be extremely harmful. I'm not sure how or why that would be, but that would be the only proviso I could think of.
No. A cure like that can only be done with the approval of the patient and nobody else's. Otherwise we are turning into the Nazis and their doctrine of pure blooded Aryans. Doctors, due to their Hippocratic oath, won't administer such a cure (at least I would hope so, I mean Josef Mengele was a doctor). The idea of "curing" them sounds something a Nazi would spout.Machine Man 1992 said:So I've tossing this moral/philosophical question around and I figured I'd share it with the Escapist for the purposes of engaging in a Socratic exercise:
Transgendered people have brain chemistry that makes them think they are the opposite gender of what they were born as. Now, lets say scientists come up with some revolutionary treatment that alters the brain chemistry to match the person's birth gender. Essentially they can "cure" trans people of being trans (i.e. They would identify as the gender they were born as), removing the gender confusion and likely sparing them a great deal of hardship.
Should this cure be administered to all people who are trans? Why or why not? Should they be given a choice to live as they are, or are we under moral obligation to correct this quirk? Trans people often live hard lives, not just because of hate crimes, but also the daily confusion and secondary mental disorders like depression. Is it right to forcefully (or even strongly encourage) administer the cure if it means letting them live healthy lives amongst the majority? But even if it was for their own good, is giving a cure like that right?
I want to hear your opinions on this matter.
If feeling the compunction to rape isnt a mental thought condition what is it? point in making someone not depressed i would of thought is self evident, they wont be depressed anymore. plenty of un medicated bi-polars? or are we not counting psychological pharmaceuticals as mind altering.erttheking said:Ok first of all, being a rapist isn't a mental condition. Second of all, at what point would a depressive person being forced to have their condition removed benefit society as a whole? Third of all, plenty of bi-polar people function perfectly well in society, no need to addle their brains.
And honestly you crossed the line into uncomfortable territory when you said "ignorant" because who gets to decide what mindset's are "ignorant" and deserve to be wiped out?
We don't live in Oceania.
I really hope you are joking. I really hope so. Because what you just said is wrong.Pinkamena said:If such a cure (because that's what it would be) was invented, it should become mandatory for all transgenders.
Don't hate on my opinion, bruhHaerthan said:I really hope you are joking. I really hope so. Because what you just said is wrong.Pinkamena said:If such a cure (because that's what it would be) was invented, it should become mandatory for all transgenders.
That is hate speech what you just said dude. You have no right to force ANYONE, regardless of gender, identity, ethnicity, etc, in situations that FORCE change upon them. Otherwise you are no better than the Nazis and their genocidal ways.Pinkamena said:Don't hate on my opinion, bruhHaerthan said:I really hope you are joking. I really hope so. Because what you just said is wrong.Pinkamena said:If such a cure (because that's what it would be) was invented, it should become mandatory for all transgenders.
Kids are forced to go to school so we can change them.Haerthan said:That is hate speech what you just said dude. You have no right to force ANYONE, regardless of gender, identity, ethnicity, etc, in situations that FORCE change upon them. Otherwise you are no better than the Nazis and their genocidal ways.Pinkamena said:Don't hate on my opinion, bruhHaerthan said:I really hope you are joking. I really hope so. Because what you just said is wrong.Pinkamena said:If such a cure (because that's what it would be) was invented, it should become mandatory for all transgenders.
That's about how I feel about it, to be honest.CrystalShadow said:Even if after the fact they are ok with it, Asking about it after treatment is like asking a lobotomy patient if they are ok about having an important part of their brain removed.