A message to all Cyclists.

[Vivi22]

NO they don't but way to miss the point. Just because it is illegal for them to cycle elsewhere does not automatically mean they have as much right to use the road as someone WHO FUCKING PAYS TO UPKEEP IT.

No, I actually didn't miss the point, I'm simply saying that paying to upkeep roads does not legally entitle you to any special privileges in it's use which aren't also afforded to cyclists by virtue of the law giving them the same legal right to drive their vehicle on the road. Your argument is poor because you seem to neglect that fact.

The best they can hope for is tolerance but hearing a cyclist complain at a car driver, well that takes the fucking biscuit. When they pay road tax and insurance then they can complain about the car drivers till the cows come home, but until that point they are using a service that is paid for by the guy their stupid slow arse is holding up.

Like I already said, from a legal stand point they have as much right to use the road as anyone. So if they want to complain about drivers who never look where they're going or do other stupid things behind the wheel that almost get them killed, they're entitled to. And if the worst that most drivers can say is that they get held up for 30 seconds waiting for traffic to clear in the oncoming lane so they can go around them, then I have to ask who really has the entitlement complex. The fact is, there are many drivers who aren't fit to be on the road and feel they're entitled to drive, rather than recognizing that it's not a right, but a privilege. You want to complain about anyone causing real problems on roads, complain about them. They make things more dangerous and more expensive for everyone.

Moreover, they are at far more risk in the event of an accident while on their bike than you are in your car if you hit them.

So, I assume their is a point but I fail to see what you're trying to say...

...no, my response to that one is meh and so?

Point being that they aren't putting the lives of drivers at risk if they do something stupid. Which is also part of the reason that the idea of them paying insurance is a bit silly. If a car hits them, at best there might be a couple thousand dollars worth of damage while the guy on the bike is probably dead. You say they should have to pay road tax and insurance, and I could agree that the former may be reasonable if at a drastically reduced rate since their wear and tear on roads is statistically negligible compared to the wear and tear from thousands of vehicles weighing thousands of pounds, but what would the insurance be to cover? There is no third party liability to speak of, although I'd imagine they probably can get that and personal coverage if they wanted to. It's a safe bet that if a risk exists someone will sell an insurance policy against it somewhere.

 

[Laughing Man]

No, I actually didn't miss the point, I'm simply saying that paying to upkeep roads does not legally entitle you to any special privileges

No it doesn't but you're still missing the point, guy not paying for service complains about guy who IS paying for it, THAT is the point.

The fact is, there are many drivers who aren't fit to be on the road and feel they're entitled to drive, rather than recognizing that it's not a right, but a privilege. You want to complain about anyone causing real problems on roads, complain about them.

Assuming that they are fully legal in their position on the road then;

Their vehicle will have under gone an annual service, They have had to pay to ensure that it their vehicle is legally safe to be on the road, does that guy on the bike have to do that? NO

They will have had to have taken a number of lessons, then under gone several tests before they could get behind the wheel of their car, does that guy on the bike have to do that? NO

They have to pay vehicle insurance, a system to cover the cost of ANY accident, does that guy on the bike have to do that? NO

They pay for the up keep of the road every time they fill up and every year in road tax, does that guy on the bike have to do that? NO

As far as I am concerned the guy on his bike is not only not paying for the right to be on the road he has nothing to say that he as an individual or the equipment he is on is viably safe to be on the road with other users. In basic terms cyclists are the least entitled to be using the road than anyone else that uses it so hearing them complain about drivers is rich to say the least.

Point being that they aren't putting the lives of drivers at risk if they do something stupid. Which is also part of the reason that the idea of them paying insurance is a bit silly. If a car hits them, at best there might be a couple thousand dollars worth of damage while the guy on the bike is probably dead.

I see what you did there, and what IF the cyclist is the one at fault? The guy who has no license to say he is fit to ride his bike on a public highway, the guy who has nothing saying the machine he is riding is even safely maintained, the guy who pays nothing to use the road, what if HE hits ME and damages MY car? He better hope he's dead cause if his stupidity has damaged my car he will be when I get hold of him.

 

[Garyn Dakari]

Hardly any roads I've ever biked on have bike lanes, thus I HAVE to be on the road with the drivers. I stay as far to the right as I can however, quite often balancing on the white edge line. It's always fun on the rare occasion that I encounter a place that actually has bike lanes though. "Wow, so much room to move around in!"

Most drivers around me are pretty courteous though, except for the occasional guy who speeds by 10-20 miles over the speed limit less than a foot away from me >.>

 

[McMullen]

No, I actually didn't miss the point, I'm simply saying that paying to upkeep roads does not legally entitle you to any special privileges

No it doesn't but you're still missing the point, guy not paying for service complains about guy who IS paying for it, THAT is the point.

Paying for things does not grant you immunity from people calling you out for being a jerk. It is possible to pay for things and not be a jerk. In fact, it is not only possible, but expected, mature, and generally a trait associated with those human beings that are well-adjusted and pleasant to be around.

Therefore, I really don't care what a person pays for. If they are a jerk, I will complain about it. So should you when you are on the receiving end of someone's jerky behavior, and so should everyone else.

 

[CaptainKoala]

Dear Motorists,

Stop contributing so much to pollution and learn to ride a bike or catch a train. You probably don't need a private vehicle.

Thank you.

You're right, the bike industry is so much friendlier to the environment than owning a car. After the metal has been mined (Which can be a very messy business with acid rain/water pollution), and sent on oil burning ships to be refined. And then once it's refined it gets sent to China on oil burning ships where it's make into bikes. Not to mention how environmentally friendly the process of making tires is. Then it's then shipped again all around the world where it's bought by people who think they're saving the environment.

 

[bullet_sandw1ch]

Dear Cyclists in the UK. I have no problem with you.

Dear "Sunday drivers" .... stay the fuck off the road.

You know the type, you're driving along and you suddenly come across a moron in the middle of the lane, you can't get past and that bugger isn't turning so you are stuck behind him. The problem is he's driving 10mph in a 40mph zone.

We call those Sunday drivers (no idea why).

And they annoy the fuck out of me.

they're called sunday drivers because they are driving like they are lazing about on a sunday afternoon. at least thats what i was always told.

 

[solemnwar]

*ahem*

Get. Off. The. Road.

You do not have the right to be in the same lane as a driver. You do not have an engine. You are not a car.

You are a person on a pushbike, and I am quite frankly sick and goddamn tired of being cut off, pushed over, made to slow down, and forced into oncoming traffic just because some asshole (or group of collective assholes) in Lycra thinks he can pedal his way into car lanes.

Surely I can't be the only one feeling the rage on this one?

Nothing makes me more furious on the road than this. What is going through a cyclists head when he thinks it is OK to exit the pushbike lane and just include himself among car traffic? It is fucking DANGEROUS and I dont care whether your an Olympic gold medal winner or not...you are on a bike and you do NOT belong on the road with cars.

Just yesterday, I was crossing over a BRIDGE and was forced to swerve to avoid a cyclist because he thought he was too good to ride in the BARRED OFF BICYCLE LANE.

Hell, I even hate it when cyclists position themselves in their bike lane, but so frigging close to the line they might as well not be in there at all. I know the law says that this is OK to do, but do you know what else the law says is OK to do? Take a plane to Africa, go out on the Savannah and punch a Lion in the face. Yeah, it's technically legal, but does that make it smart or safe? NO!

Am I the only one who is this pissed off about this?

Where I live, bikes of a certain wheel size (basically, adult bikes) can only be ridden on the road, technically. It's illegal to ride them on the sidewalk (danger to pedestrians), and we have maybe like 5 bicycle lanes in the whole city.

So no. Bikes are staying on the road.

 

[Weaver]

I don't mind cyclists who actually know how to drive on the road (signal, obey traffic laws, etc.)
However, most I see decide they're a car when it's convenient and a pedestrian when that's convenient.

It doesn't swing both ways.

I've also almost ran into a drunk cyclist who swerved right in front of me (was holding to the right then just swerved out into the middle of the road).

He was loaded up with bags of booze hanging from the handlebars. Classy.

 

[Levitas1234]

This threads all tipsy turby, some places have bike lanes, some places bikes are considered vehicles on the road and use turning lights and shit, some people pedal their way through life by switching from bike to vehicle at will

 

[The Artificially Prolonged]

I never used to mind cyclists, that is until I started driving. Now I'm some sort of younger and more attractive version of Jeremy Clarkson and get really annoyed when cyclist are in the middle to the road instead staying nearer the pavement where they are easier to safely get passed.

Also so I'm not just picking on the cyclists, pedestrians don't wear all black at night and then to decide to cross the road at random, I may have headlights but if your in dark clothing I can't see you until I'm right near you. Also taxi drivers, just piss off.

 

[GeneralBob]

Dear Motorists,

Stop contributing so much to pollution and learn to ride a bike or catch a train. You probably don't need a private vehicle.

Thank you.

You're right, the bike industry is so much friendlier to the environment than owning a car. After the metal has been mined (Which can be a very messy business with acid rain/water pollution), and sent on oil burning ships to be refined. And then once it's refined it gets sent to China on oil burning ships where it's make into bikes. Not to mention how environmentally friendly the process of making tires is. Then it's then shipped again all around the world where it's bought by people who think they're saving the environment.

In a life cycle analysis bulk production and transportation of materials are expressed by kg CO2 equivalent per kg of material and kg CO2e/(kg material*km) respectively. So it's definitely fair to say the 25lb bike has a much much much much smaller environmental impact than the 4000lb car. Being fair I'd up that to 50ish lbs since a bicycle is replaced more frequently. Then there's the tailpipe emissions from cars which I wont try to quantify since there's so much variation but suffice to say it's significant.
This whole thread makes me queasy but if there's one thing to set the record straight on it should be this.

 

[TitanAura]

I do not understand why it is illegal to ride a bike on the sidewalk. Yeah, I get it, it's a sideWALK but it's not exactly endangering anybody. Bicycles don't exactly pick up enough speed to disembowel someone even if you DO somehow manage to hit someone (which is why if I'm biking and am approaching another individual on the sidewalk I will GET OFF my bike and walk it past them to ensure that I do not hit them). I just hate that entire laws have to be passed because an alarming number of people cannot use common sense to figure out simple solutions to simple problems.

 

[Aerodyamic]

Dear Motorists,

Stop contributing so much to pollution and learn to ride a bike or catch a train. You probably don't need a private vehicle.

Thank you.

Dear cyclists, thank you for choosing a method of getting around that doesn't involve filling our air with poison.

I love comments like this. Of course I'll give up my car to bike to work. I'd love to bike nearly 100 km a day in -25 to -30 C weather. I agree city congestion could be rectified with more people using public transport, but please, do not paint us all with the same brush because some of us can't actually do anything but drive to work.

Obviously in your case it seems that you do need a car, thus making you one of the few exceptions. Though I would point out that unless you live and work really far from a train station, taking a train would faster and cheaper.

I live in a city that's in the process of upgrading it's Light-Rail Transit system, which is our version of the metro. Even if I COULD take the metro, because it was close to my home, many of the jobsites I have to report to are NOT in convenient range of a metro station. I also typically carry about 70lbs of tools, and require a full change of clothes for my work.

Yes, it's unfortunate that my choice of travel device creates many pollutants, but I don't see how else I can do my job, given the tools and clothing requirements of my job, without having access to my own minivan.

Oh, I forgot to mention: my girlfriend has 2 children and 2 dogs, so a small family car is unlikely to be practical to travel with, under most conditions. And the metro here only allows working dogs, so if we wanted to go to any of the dog-parks in town, we'd be FORCED to either rent a vehicle, or pay for a taxi, anyways.

 

[Ryotknife]

How did you pass your test? Do you even have a working knowledge of the highway code?

Your beef isn't with cylcists, it's with the people who set road safety laws.

By law, a cyclist HAS to be on the road, and if there is no cycle lane. That means they have to RISK THEIR FUCKING LIVES, cycling next to ignorant so and so's like you. Speeding around in a ton of metal, huffing and puffing because someone dared to ride a bike to work.

that depends entirely on where you live. People ride bikes on the sidewalk all the time here in my city (i did it all the time as a kid), mostly because the sidewalks dont get much foot traffic. It is only when you get into the inner city that it becomes illegal due to the heavy amount of foot traffic. In fact, i would wager in most places in the US you can ride your bike on the sidewalk, with noteable exceptions like NYC and other highly congested areas.

That said, in areas in which cyclists do not have a bike lane nor sidewalks, they are a freakin menace. Seriously, i do not want to hit you, stop trying to make me hit you.

 

[bobajob]

People on phones while driving? I've seen it so often. Just no.

As for the train being cheaper? I moved to the south-East of England from oop North last year. An annual season ticket to London(50 mins on the train, BTW) will set you back a mere £7,500, WITH the discount. Yes, actual British pounds.

That has motivated me, a lifetime cyclist, to vow to start driving lessons next year.It is no longer financially viable to take train/bicycle anymore.

Someone's having a good laugh at the train company.

 

[major_chaos]

Actually, I'm 23, live out in the countryside, currently live with my family, and cycle 16 miles every day to and from work. The winters where I live get very cold indeed (it's been dipping into minus figures for quite some time now), but I counter this by wearing a thick reflective coat and scarf.

Us cyclists are not all city-dwelling hipsters. Some of us actually manage to cover pretty exceptional distances out in the countryside to get to and from work.

But do you have a car? the guy I was originality arguing with was trying to make the point that "most people don't need a car" and I was disagreeing with that idea, for example you can't exactly grocery shop for a whole family on a bike so I assume you have a car for that, also you do still somewhat mach with my statement. (you must be in very good shape to bike that far without being exhausted, 23 is what I would call middle age, and brushing of sub zero temps with "meh I have a coat" shows an above average tolerance to the elements, when many people would like me prefer to travel in a car and just turn up the heat) In case it wasn't clear I have no issue with cyclists, as long as they follow the rules of the road and don't act like it makes them better then everyone else, then good for them they will be healthy and probably out live my fat ass, but I was taking issue with the "no one needs a car" type statement.

 

[Unit72]

You stop and move out of the way for ambulances, firetrucks, cops. You must yield to children crossing and animals.Dont move infront of a bus and stop for schoolbusses. Stay three carlengths away from large load carrying trucks as they take wide turns. Surely you can fit one more rule that shows respect for people on bikes.

Here in the U.S chicago illinios i rode my bike for the first time in years to a recruitment office 8 miles from home. I was surprised to find that a cop was pulling me over to tell me to get off the sidewalk and get on the road. I didnt want to but i couldnt disagree with a cop so i did it. For teh rest of the trip i had atleast 3 people honk at me for being on the road, i didnt wanna be there. I read the laws online after i came home a few hrs later and guess the cop was right. it states you cant (here in chicago anyway) ride on the sidewalk especially in a business district, you must be on the bike lane, if there is no bike lane then you get on the raod unless there are signs designating the sidewalk as a permitted lane for bikes.

Your not supposed to be frustrated about bikers making you swerve into traffic becuase your not supposed to overtake them on the road. For all intents and purposes those bikers are "moterists" and are to be treated with the same respect as if they were in cars. I dont like being out on the road but what can i do about it? You stop and move out of the way for ambulances, firetrucks, cops. You must yield to children crossing and animals.

 

[THE_JOKE_KING33]

Dear motorists,

Stop being lazy and get some exercise.


Dear cyclists,

Get out of my way when I'm feeling lazy.

 

[Coffeejack]

Dear drivers,

Please don't throw firecrackers at me.

I have had so much shit thrown at me, like eggs and donuts. No fire crackers yet, but sometimes they'll honk the horn as they pass to make me jump. Har fucking har.

I feel your pain. I don't trust drivers in my town ages 17-34.

Is that considered an offence? Not that I plan to do it, but I would be interested to know, since I heard that driving fast enough through a puddle to splash pedestrians (and presumably cyclists as well) is now an offence that carries a fine of up to several thousand pounds.

 

[Coffeejack]

Dear drivers,

Please don't throw firecrackers at me.

I have had so much shit thrown at me, like eggs and donuts. No fire crackers yet, but sometimes they'll honk the horn as they pass to make me jump. Har fucking har.

I feel your pain. I don't trust drivers in my town ages 17-34.

Um...Update: I gave it a bit of thought and realised that in all probability, throwing crap at cyclists and using the horn to distract them probably does amount to an offence. Please ignore my previous question. Thanks.

This does not bode well for the driving test.