A new Batman Arkham game will be announced in March.

[Hawki]

Looks at DC heroes people want other than Batman...

...am I the only one who wouldn't mind a Green Arrow game in the vein of the first two seasons of Arrow? Pretty please?

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

An announcement of an announcement?

Placing bets for Arkham texture analysis VR 2...

No that be lame, I am sorry but these lego movies are for kids and I have grown out of this shit for seeing how truly stupid it is.

And they are gonna focus on other Lego-fyed movies like they are gonna make Lego Harry Potter or Lego Lord of the Rings movie.

You sound like a barrel of laughs. Ironically this is the sort of thing I hear younger males say more than most people.

If you want me to show you my funny side, I can show things that does make me laugh if you please?

 

[go-10]

but it doesn't say it's a Batman Arkham game anywhere... or did I miss something?
honestly I don't mind more Batman, given how the last game ended they might follow the comics when Dick became Batman while Bruce was "dead"

personally though I rather they make a game centered around the rest of the bat family. Batgirl DLC was pretty good and I know she's Oracle now but there's no reason Black Bat/Orphan can't take her place or a game that centers around the family after the death of Batman. Hell it could be about the redemption of Jason, there's so many possibilities that I wouldn't be surprised if they kept the franchise going for the next 50 years

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I think a Spiderman game done right would be more preferable than another rehashed Batman. If they could get the physics right with the swinging and flesh out everything else it could be outstanding. Spiderman would be better under the style of gameplay the Arkham games currently have, while Batman himself should be more realistic like Ezekiel said.

 

[hermes]

Batman fits a lot of video games tropes that make it easier to portrait in a game. He fights well, uses stealth and has gadgets... he is basically a ninja with a similar outfit and a cape. Game designers know how to build around that (I can almost imagine a Tenchu game starring Batman), a lot more that they know how to build around a guy that can only run fast, a guy that can create everything he imagines or a guy that is pretty much indestructible from the start.

Of course, there are a lot of DC characters that fit a similar description of being mostly defined by their fighting prowess: Green Arrow, (flightless) Wonder Woman, Black Canary, the entire Batman family, that could have their own game; but who are we kidding, DC is too afraid of making any serious investment without including his most popular character, so nothing close to AAA budget can exist without the Batman. He is in Suicide Squad, despite having as much impact and screen time as Slipknot. He was even in Justice League Dark, despite being extremely underpowered, extremely ignorant and just adding nothing during the entire movie (until he saves the day at the last moment, because of course he does).

And it is a pity, because the character is pretty boring at this point. He has the most boring power of all: reality shifts to suit his needs. That is because the authors of his reality have to include him and make him relevant, even when dealing with cosmic threats. So, he can fight Darkseid on a hand-to-hand combat and not only survive, but win, can outsmart the brightest minds in the universe, has so much dexterity that is the about the only creature in the history of the universe that can remove a green lantern ring during combat. Needless to say, I don't agree with the assertion that Batman is good because he has no powers...

Spoiler: One was wronged a long time ago and was chosen by the powers that be to be the avatar of vengeful justice, the smiter of evil and the worst nightmare of villains. The other one wears green.

 

[B-Cell_v1legacy]

THats what we need. another Batman game. the series got stale before arkham knights was released. let it go.

Yeah, what we clearly need is more arena first-person shooters stuck in 1997.

or we need another medieval RPG? animu girly JRPG? by this logic everything is stale

we dont only need old school shooters but we need variety of shooters and thats what we are getting. we got Doom which was masterpiece. now we are getting PREY and System shock. both are FPS/RPG hybrids that this industry need. because theres not enough FPS/RPG hybrids.

 

[B-Cell_v1legacy]

THats what we need. another Batman game. the series got stale before arkham knights was released. let it go.

Yeah, what we clearly need is more arena first-person shooters stuck in 1997.

or we need another medieval RPG? animu girly JRPG? by this logic everything is stale

we dont only need old school shooters but we need variety of shooters and thats what we are getting. we got Doom which was masterpiece. now we are getting PREY and System shock. both are FPS/RPG hybrids that this industry need. because theres not enough FPS/RPG hybrids.

What we need is more (good) action-adventure games. First-person shooters are stale as fuck and action RPGs have too much crummy, tedious baggage. FPS is like the easiest genre in the world to make. Stick a gun on the camera, put in some whack-a-moles and you're done. Anyone can recognize an FPS as an FPS the second they look at it, but action-adventure is harder to define, because it allows for more creativity.

most of third person action are incredibly generic. they are either like assassins creed or uncharted/tomb raider. aka waste of time

and since when are FPS/RPG hybrid stale? when was last time we have seen?

even if theres many FPS. genre still produce some of the best games to date. even thought there lot of terrible FPS games.

 

[B-Cell_v1legacy]

THats what we need. another Batman game. the series got stale before arkham knights was released. let it go.

Yeah, what we clearly need is more arena first-person shooters stuck in 1997.

or we need another medieval RPG? animu girly JRPG? by this logic everything is stale

we dont only need old school shooters but we need variety of shooters and thats what we are getting. we got Doom which was masterpiece. now we are getting PREY and System shock. both are FPS/RPG hybrids that this industry need. because theres not enough FPS/RPG hybrids.

What we need is more (good) action-adventure games. First-person shooters are stale as fuck and action RPGs have too much crummy, tedious baggage. FPS is like the easiest genre in the world to make. Stick a gun on the camera, put in some whack-a-moles and you're done. Anyone can recognize an FPS as an FPS the second they look at it, but action-adventure is harder to define, because it allows for more creativity.

most of third person action are incredibly generic. they are either like assassins creed or uncharted/tomb raider. aka waste of time

and since when are FPS/RPG hybrid stale? when was last time we have seen?

even if theres many FPS. genre still produce some of the best games to date. even thought there lot of terrible FPS games.

Human Revolution and Mass Effect have rather weak gameplay and I didn't enjoy System Shock 2. If those are good examples of RPG hybrid shooters, I'm unimpressed.

I'm having deja vu. We had this exact conversation maybe a year ago. I still haven't played a first-person shooter richer than the 3D Zeldas or Metal Gear Solid 3. I'd take classic God of War over most first-person shooter campaigns. Shadow of the Colossus had a far more lasting impact on me than most shooters. Tomb Raider: Anniversary was fun. The Arkham games have provided me hundreds of hours of play. The great Cave Story kind of applies too. GTA has its moments and the Uncharted games are good pulp adventures. Notice how different all these games are. Action-adventure wins. If you think action-adventure is Assassin's Creed and its clones, you clearly don't know the genre well.

Also...

Spoiler

I don't feel like the character in either first or third-person, but third-person at least gives me a visual of their body in relationship to the environment, whereas first-person gives me nothing. The point I'm trying to make is that seeing your character, their surroundings and how they interact with them is a better substitute for eyes and an actual body than first-person view, which gives you no sense of your character. So in that sense, third-person is more realistic. Some first-person games feature legs, but what's the point if you have to look down? In real life, you can feel your legs and the formation of the ground.

The disembodied character holds whatever they are holding like a robot, always up high in the center of their vision. I find a bit odd that people say first-person is more realistic when you're basically a tripod on wheels, with a gun attached. Its narrow field of view offers no peripheral vision. Increasing the field of view in a first-person game too much makes everything look too distant and weird. It even cuts off the limbs in some games. It's like you're looking at the world with flat eyes inside a little rectangular frame, mounted to a tripod with tank treads for legs.

You can't look to the side without stopping a run (because almost no first-person games let you run sideways, even though it could make sense if done right) or facing away from an enemy, since the disembodied camera turns in conjunction with the legs and the character cannot move their eyes. You can't look at your surroundings at all while running, even though your character has a neck and eyes. It's not done because of realism. If that were the case, they could simply reduce accuracy like they always do and have the character hold the gun with one hand if the position of their feet makes it impossible with two (if they were running straight and aiming to the right for example). Most modern shooters don't let you shoot while running anyway, so why can't you always run sideways with the gun lowered?

I bring this all up because of Resident Evil VII. First-person isn't necessarily more immersive or better for horror games. You can use the character model in a third-person game for horror elements. Sweat, shivering, a submissive posture, a pale face, wide eyes, slanted eyebrows, the head reacting to noise, heaving of the upper body. These are all examples of body language that needn't disrupt the gameplay. The old Resident Evil games had small touches like this. Body language is where a lot of the horror comes from in horror movies.

Let's be honest. The creators dropped the third-person view that has been a staple of Resident Evil because of P.T. and all the indie horror games that are so popular right now. The funny thing about P.T. is that Kojima planned to make the actual game, Silent Hills, third-person. The first-person view in RE7 is either there because of this current fad or because Sony made a deal for exclusive VR. I would be surprised if a Japanese developer did it for entirely creative reasons. Japanese games have almost always been third-person.

There are many first-person games where the perspective is ideal, such as Portal and Amnesia. But I don't think first-person view is better. It's just different.

Mass effect is terrible gears of war clone i agree but System shock 2 is one of the greatest game ever made. come on my friend. and remake of SS1 looks absolutely fantastic and SS3 is also coming with warren spector as lead developer.

most third person action games are bad. first person camera is much more immersive. nowadays these games rely on cover system and regen health. we dont have third person games as great as Max payne 1 or Mafia 1 in years.

GTA is generic boring open world games so are its clones. God of war is generic hack n slash game plus new one is getting more screwed.

I dont see much difference in Batman Arkham and Assassins creed.

now let see a variety in FPS games. some of best FPS games are very different to each others. like Half life, System shock, Deus Ex, STALKER, FEAR, Doom. now notice how those games are varied.

but unless by FPS you mean crap load of generic COD, Halo, Killzone, battlefields and its clones.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

How can there be another? Doesn't Batman die?

Yeah, everyone knows that Bruce Wayne was Batman and now he's presumed dead. So how would that work?

See I would really enjoy a game based off the Animated Series, with that animation style. Like you're playing an episode of the show. Noir, shadows, art-decor, the original voice actors, and everything isn' grim-dark all-women-get-shot-and-all-men-are-stabbed-and-set-on-fire.

 

[CritialGaming]

GOD NO! PLEASE NO! NO! GOD! NO! PLEASE! NO!

Seriously, this is a dead horse can we stop beating it. Asylum and City were great. But Knight and Origins were trash. These games have relied on the same too-easy combat system and the Joker for too long. Just stop with this nonsense already. Or....refresh your combat and make a entirely new and good story without leaning on the Joker, which will be hard because he is the only interesting Batman Villain.

 

[McMarbles]

How about something... NOT Batman?

Can we do that?

How about a Green Arrow game, implementing sniper gameplay as well as melee combat?

How about GOW-esque Wonder Woman game? I mean, she's got like, a movie coming out, and it's not like we're exactly choked with games starring female protagonists.

How about giving Constantine his own survival horror game?

How about LITERALLY ANYTHING THAT ISN'T ANOTHER FUCKING BATMAN GAME?

 

[CritialGaming]

How about something... NOT Batman?

Can we do that?

How about a Green Arrow game, implementing sniper gameplay as well as melee combat?

How about GOW-esque Wonder Woman game? I mean, she's got like, a movie coming out, and it's not like we're exactly choked with games starring female protagonists.

How about giving Constantine his own survival horror game?

How about LITERALLY ANYTHING THAT ISN'T ANOTHER FUCKING BATMAN GAME?

That's interesting, because I think that the Arkham guys could do an interesting Justice League twist on the formula or something. That way they can still have Batman, but also many other DC heroes and properties as well.

 

[McMarbles]

There has been a lego batman game for awhile now:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lego_Batman:_The_Videogame

I know, but that was from before the awesome new Lego Batman movie that's coming out.

They're going to want a ton of tie-ins for that, especially once it starts out-selling regular non-Lego Batman.

Fuck the Lego Batman Movie and its man-childish appealing tripe, Its things that people like Moviebob will fawn over, it pisses me off, its like Shrek to me, and I now hate Shrek.

You're literally filled with rage that people have the gall to enjoy something light-hearted. And THEY'RE the manchildren.

 

[Igor-Rowan]

One of the biggest praises of Arkham Asylum is how the combat and mechanics were unlike anything ever to that point, add to that a place where these things could be used to their maximum, by the third game, the mechanics were still there, but Asylum set some sort of standard that many games followed/copied and all of the novelty of that game had wore thin by that point, which made them think of something new for the fourth one and so on.

And while Blackgate and VR have been efforts to diverge the series by adding some variety, it doesn't stop those games of being average with the Arkham name slapped on it. Did anybody else here play Blackgate or Arkham VR?

 

[G00N3R7883]

ENOUGH WITH BATMAN ALREADY AND MAKE A SUPERMAN GAME OR A GREEN LANTERN GAME OR A FLASH GAME!!!

As a fan of the TV shows, a Flash and/or Arrow game would be fantastic (assuming same quality level as Arkham Asylum/City).

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

There has been a lego batman game for awhile now:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lego_Batman:_The_Videogame

I know, but that was from before the awesome new Lego Batman movie that's coming out.

They're going to want a ton of tie-ins for that, especially once it starts out-selling regular non-Lego Batman.

Fuck the Lego Batman Movie and its man-childish appealing tripe, Its things that people like Moviebob will fawn over, it pisses me off, its like Shrek to me, and I now hate Shrek.

You're literally filled with rage that people have the gall to enjoy something light-hearted. And THEY'RE the manchildren.

Treating Superheroes as kid stuff is just wrong in my eyes. Its a regression back into the censored and kiddy Silver Age of the Comics Code Authority. We grew out of that and now we are going back into that.

It makes me depressed.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

SNIP

Yeah but the 90s edgy grimdark Batman fathers Barbara's child or someone gets raped or everyone is brooding and sad and then everyone dies and its all miserable is so lame. So stupid. So weak!

There's enough drama and angst in fighting costumed supervillians without shoving in Days of our Lives scripts to make the in-between fight parts 'real' and 'dark'.
Silver Age may have been goofy, but everything post Watchmen and Killing Joke have been nothing but angst, angsty people being angsty and angsty grimdark.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

SNIP

Yeah but the 90s edgy grimdark Batman fathers Barbara's child or someone gets raped or everyone is brooding and sad and then everyone dies and its all miserable is so lame. So stupid. So weak!

There's enough drama and angst in fighting costumed supervillians without shoving in Days of our Lives scripts to make the in-between fight parts 'real' and 'dark'.
Silver Age may have been goofy, but everything post Watchmen and Killing Joke have been nothing but angst, angsty people being angsty and angsty grimdark.

I enjoy Vertigo Comics. The pinnicle of Angst and Grimdark apperently. And Vertigo Comics is awesome, V for Vendetta, The Preacher, Hellblazer, and Sandman.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

SNIP

Yeah but the 90s edgy grimdark Batman fathers Barbara's child or someone gets raped or everyone is brooding and sad and then everyone dies and its all miserable is so lame. So stupid. So weak!

There's enough drama and angst in fighting costumed supervillians without shoving in Days of our Lives scripts to make the in-between fight parts 'real' and 'dark'.
Silver Age may have been goofy, but everything post Watchmen and Killing Joke have been nothing but angst, angsty people being angsty and angsty grimdark.

I enjoy Vertigo Comics. The pinnicle of Angst and Grimdark apperently. And Vertigo Comics is awesome, V for Vendetta, The Preacher, Hellblazer, and Sandman.

Well sure, but don't...don't you ever get tired of it? Maybe this comes off as hypocritical from such a 40k dork as myself, but grimdark? Again?
Like I understand the place it has, and certainly some characters are created for Grimdark. Its hard to imagine V going around on a Guy Fawkes themed motorcycle punching Mimes and midgets in the face while making snappy flirts with a woman dressed like a tree.
But surely there's enough comic interpretations to go around? Like we have enough angsty Batman games. We could do with either an Adam West one, or early Batman animated series, which while broody, did have a sense of camp and fun and at least compared to the Animated series comic is fucking cheerful.

I dunno. I think a silver/golden age Batman game wouldn't be the flop people think it'd be.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

SNIP

Yeah but the 90s edgy grimdark Batman fathers Barbara's child or someone gets raped or everyone is brooding and sad and then everyone dies and its all miserable is so lame. So stupid. So weak!

There's enough drama and angst in fighting costumed supervillians without shoving in Days of our Lives scripts to make the in-between fight parts 'real' and 'dark'.
Silver Age may have been goofy, but everything post Watchmen and Killing Joke have been nothing but angst, angsty people being angsty and angsty grimdark.

I enjoy Vertigo Comics. The pinnicle of Angst and Grimdark apperently. And Vertigo Comics is awesome, V for Vendetta, The Preacher, Hellblazer, and Sandman.

Well sure, but don't...don't you ever get tired of it? Maybe this comes off as hypocritical from such a 40k dork as myself, but grimdark? Again?
Like I understand the place it has, and certainly some characters are created for Grimdark. Its hard to imagine V going around on a Guy Fawkes themed motorcycle punching Mimes and midgets in the face while making snappy flirts with a woman dressed like a tree.
But surely there's enough comic interpretations to go around? Like we have enough angsty Batman games. We could do with either an Adam West one, or early Batman animated series, which while broody, did have a sense of camp and fun and at least compared to the Animated series comic is fucking cheerful.

I dunno. I think a silver/golden age Batman game wouldn't be the flop people think it'd be.

Hmm well I enjoy Glam Metal as Radio Music, but I love Thrash Metal more, and Epic and Beautiful Orchestral Scores.