You might consider adding /sarcasm tags to that.nyctoftero said:
Unless you want to offend all the Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Pagans, agnostics and atheists who frequent these boards.
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Unless you want to offend all the Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Pagans, agnostics and atheists who frequent these boards.
Seriously? Is this an argument for religion? Or suicide? because (mega-Nihilism alert) if what you say is true then we might as well just kill ourselves and get the waiting over with.IceStar100 said:
Wiping out has too many echoes of Stalinist purges for me. A decent education based on contemporary science and academic knowledge is the solution.Playbahnosh said:
The problem with using 'fairytale' is that is it condescending, how about we refer to them as 'myths' instead? Does that trouble you less?cuddly_tomato said:
Honestly who do you actually know that "blindly followcuddly_tomato said:
People created religions, therefore religion can be (very) idiotic.cuddly_tomato said:
Thats funny, 'cos my entire life experience and everything i've learned about human-history, evolution, biology, physics, astronomy and ideas that have emerged in the 1700 years since the Latin version of the bible was composed (and the 500 or so since the poorly translated King James version) seems to expose Christianity as being obsolete...and the greatest oppressive device in European (and world) history.nyctoftero said:
No. The problem with "fairytale" is that it was used by Hitler to describe religion.edinflames said:
Hitler said:- "I'll make these damned parsons feel the power of the state in a way they would have never believed possible. For the moment, I am just keeping my eye upon them: if I ever have the slightest suspicion that they are getting dangerous, I will shoot the lot of them. This filthy reptile raises its head whenever there is a sign of weakness in the State, and therefore it must be stamped on. We have no sort of use for a fairy story invented by the Jews."
Source:- Hitler: A Study in Tyranny [http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hitler-Study-Tyranny-Alan-Bullock/dp/0140135642], by Allan Bullock.
I find anything that reminds me of Hitler and the Nazis extremely troubling, especially when people use phrases that Hitler himself used in an excuse to obliterate cultures and creeds he.. I mean they don't agree with (i.e. wiping out "fairytale" religions).
edinflames said:
Look over these forums. Look at some of the crap on youtube or 4chan. Look at that Finnish school shooting. If you think that religious people follow blindly but all atheists are guided by intelligence, well I suggest that you are very wrong in that assumption.
Possibly humans did. They certainly added structure and story to religion, but did humans create the religion themselves? That is a question you can't truthfully answer, that is where belief comes in.edinflames said:
I'm an atheist. But I could be a Buddhist, or pagan, or agnostic, if a different neuron had fired in my brain at some point in the past. In any case, I wouldn't be offended by nyctoftero's post, because (if it hadn't been said in jest) *I understand that it is just the opinion of one person*.cuddly_tomato said:
But logic dictates that since you exist, you must have been created. Since I'm the person that I'm the most sure exists, therefore I must have created you - So I am proclaiming myself your god...Souplex said:
ha ha... ha ha ha..........ARRR HHA HA HA HA HAHA HA Oh my god! HA HAH A HAH HA HA HA...her her... oh shit it's coming again.... arr ha ha....ha ha ha ha ha ......oh my god please stop! your hurting me! ow my sidesnyctoftero said:
*wanders off laughing in pain*
Ok, let's following the same logic as you would use. First fact: You are inferior to a computer. The strongest computer entity out there is Google so I proclaim god to be Google. As proof I have searched for god in Google and found 468,000,000 results. Logical assumption would be that if god can be found on Google then god must be Google.Souplex said:
On other notes: Some people seem to take this thread far to seriously...
cuddly_tomato said:
Hitler drank water. Therefor, you may not drink water anymore.
This argument pisses me off to no end. Being both an atheist and a vegetarian, I get so sick and tired of people trying to tie my way of life to Hitler. Hitler was not defined by his beliefs about god or his diet. He was not defined by his religion. He was defined by what he chose to do with his rise to power. So stop, STOP relating atheist to Nazi crimes. It's irresponsible and, well, stupid. That makes you an irresponsible idiot. Kind of like Hitler.
You have to recognize something my friend, everything that we "know" could be false. Humans are fallable and imperfect, this alots for a margin of error in all human reckoning. This said, that means that all human knowledge has a finite and defined margin of truth and an exponentially increasing toward the infinite margin of error. If you want to base a religion on logic, you must recognize that all human logic has this possibility of error. Being a man of a certain faith myself, I have come to conclusions based on logic to support certain "facts" about my own religion and am very willing to admit that I could be completely wrong but that that won't stop me from believing. The infinite is just that, unfathomable and undefineable. In order to accept facts, you must first accept concepts from which those facts may be derived. This is how science works, ignoring the infinite margin of error to come to conclusions based on the logic of the fallable human mind. As much as one might hate it, science is a religion, requiring faith. This faith is that of trusting in one's own ability to be correct and the same ability of others and those that precede you as well as faith that our observations are not warped by unknown, unobserveable, or immessureable forces, and that are senses are what we assume them to be. To ignore these possibilities is to allow one'self to be ignorant for the sake of your own pride or selfishness, these are disgusting purposes for anything. Thanks for giving me a good opportunity to put that out there.
Sorry about that, I didn't mean to actually kill religious people, but show them the err of their ways. No, wait... Okay, well, that's exactly what they would say. Show me that I will burn in hell for not going to church and not donating all of my money to a make-believe being.... no, thanks.edinflames said:
I think the love, devotion and money that religious people simply
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Oh, here we go again. If I'm not a religious nut, God forbid, I'm against the stuff, you start comparing me to Hitler. That makes sense...
But I'm not going to fight back, I just tell you my side of the story. Blindly following a
Many religious people are fooling themselves into thinking, that they help the world by being good religious people. No, they are just helping themselves by buying redemption and inner peace, not for everyone, but only for themselves. As MaxTheReaper also stated, most of the religious people I know or met are major assholes. Arrogant, self-righteous, prideful bastards, who think they are better than the rest of the world, and their god will smite us all, because we are not true believers like they are. And no matter what you say, no matter what points you bring, they will repeat the same thing over and over: you are not a believer, you can't possibly fathom the greatness of them and their god, and you will burn in Hell. They are right in one thing: I can't possibly fathom how
We don't need gods and myths. We need people who will make a better future for all of us. Engineers, scientists, doctors, teachers, masons, carpenters...etc. We don't need priests, cardinals, prophets, churches and stuff like that. We don't need people who preach. We need people who do.
Necrophagist said:
Seriously, READ posts before responding to them.Playbahnosh said:
I never compared anyone to Hitler, I merely asked someone to not use the phrase "fairytale" in reference to religion because it is both rude and disturbs me somewhat because that particular phrase stinks of Nazism when used in a manner justifying religious erradication.
May I remind you that religion is not meant to do anything but to give a good set of rules to live by and something worth believing in. I am independant in my beliefs because going to a church is not a requirement to get into Heaven, nor is giving your money to said church. Without a punishment such as Hell, or whatever you may believe in, there would be no reason for me not to give in to my darker urges. I would have already taken a life, and would be a very violent human being without the morals and codes that require getting into Heaven. Morallity is something I have because there is a consequence beyond that of death, for death is inevitable and therefore nothing to fear. The aftermath is not necessarily inevitable. I honestly have a hard time trusting atheists because they have nothing to tell them that something should or should not be done accept their own judgement, and I'm sorry that I get this cynical with this, but people do what suits their own interests most of the time.