we didn't do a fucking thing. White people did bad shit in the past, but I have done no such thing and am tired of being expected to feel guilty over it. I was born here, and as such am Australian, the aboriginal people were born here and as such are Australian, the Lebanese community, Australian, the Vietnamese community, Australian. Anyone born here or holding citizenship, Australian. We are all Australian and we are all in this world together, so can we please stop with the 'your ancestor fucked over my ancestor' bullshit.manic_depressive13 said:
A question for other Aussies out there.
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I'm not at all proud to be Australian, so I dunno. Perhaps I'll try to wash the Australia taste out of my mouth with some Vienna schnitzel or something. Most places in the world have some problems with racism and general sensitivity towards minorities, but Australia is very special in that we openly celebrate the disempowerment of the native culture we trod upon -- and, as usual, there'll be the call for minorities to get out of "our" country.
So I guess I don't like to think of myself as "Australian", but in terms of my individual heritages. I've never been much at ease with the culture of this place.
So I guess I don't like to think of myself as "Australian", but in terms of my individual heritages. I've never been much at ease with the culture of this place.
It's not as though history consists of isolated events that no longer affect us. Aboriginal people continue to suffer from the wrongs that were committed in the past. If I slaughtered your grandparents and took all your stuff, such that you were forced to live in destitution and poverty while I reaped all the benefits, would you be so quick to let the past be the past?the clockmaker said:
I am back in japan now, but back in the days when i was in Perth, we had a house over looking the Swan river, so we always had a huge pool BBQ party. Every year the hot tub ends up smelling like beer, and all the water guns end up being full of white wine.
Now i am freezing my butt off in snowy tokyo!!
Now i am freezing my butt off in snowy tokyo!!
... Realistically? Drink and get into fights. I'll probably be drinking with the same people I'll be fighting, and fighting the folks I usually drink with.
As much as I dislike Australia (Shut up, don't tell me to 'gtfo' unless you're willing to pay for my ticket and temporary living accommodation), I make a surprisingly good Aussie.
I'm just not racist to everything that isn't 'white Aussie'. The most racist my family gets is 'dirty lebs till proven otherwise'.
Yea, Turk/Syrian + German. Grew up in middle eastern communities, Blacktown... spent some time with the Italians and Russians in the eastern suburbs.
You know the 2 races/cultures that all those places dislike? Aussies and the Lebanese.
As much as I dislike Australia (Shut up, don't tell me to 'gtfo' unless you're willing to pay for my ticket and temporary living accommodation), I make a surprisingly good Aussie.
I'm just not racist to everything that isn't 'white Aussie'. The most racist my family gets is 'dirty lebs till proven otherwise'.
Yea, Turk/Syrian + German. Grew up in middle eastern communities, Blacktown... spent some time with the Italians and Russians in the eastern suburbs.
You know the 2 races/cultures that all those places dislike? Aussies and the Lebanese.
Homework. Hours and hours of oh so joyful homework. Why do I never listen when people tell me not to leave it to the last minute? Even now I am on the Escapist instead of all the homework I still have to do by Wednesday.
Probably just either have a Barbie or head down to the beach to relax, luckily I'm in the 10% of Australia where there aren't bogans around in big numbers just loads and loads of bloody tourists
My family was driven out of both of our nations of origin. Their properties were burned/seized, their family killed and they fled across the planet to Australia. I do not hold that against the nations that conducted those acts today, because sins of the father is a bullshit doctrine.manic_depressive13 said:
DO we need to do more for the aboriginal community? Fuck oath we do.
Is it a moral failing of this nation that conditions in the settlements are fucking terrible? Of course it is.
But if you try and dress it up in a sins of the father context, you are wrong.
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And yeah, lots of people hate immigrants. Even those whose living ancestors are immigrants.
Hell, some people want Indigenous Australians to go back to whatever country they came from.
It's just a total coincidence that the life expectancy of Indigenous Australians is some 20 years less than the average then?the clockmaker said:
)Do not confuse our sins with the sins of our fathers. If people want to talk about the shit that goes on in the settlements I will be right fucking on board. I spent enough time living in the territory to know that we need to do more, just do not dress it up as inherited guilt for having been born British descendent in Australia.thaluikhain said:
Gigahertz new Australian music event at local tavern, if anything. Not sure what the bands will be like.
Well it is. The Persian empire tried to conquer the world and killed many in doing so. The Roman empire did the same thing. Britain controlled a majority of the world and placed their laws and rules on the places they governed. The Americans fought for their freedom, then kept slaves. Germany tried to kill all the Jews. The Aboriginals of our country are not the first people to be fucked over by someone else.manic_depressive13 said:
So yeah, it may seem unkind to say, "Get over it, it's in the past" I really don't see why we can't come together right now in the present and become a community that helps one and other. I hate that there are people who shout abuse at Aboriginal men, women and children just for who they are just as much as I hate being blamed for what happened to them, especially seeing as how neither side of my family was in Australia until 1930/1970. So yes, I believe that it's time everyone move on, and rise above what was done and join together to make sure that it is never done again.
Fair enough, but in my experience, people that say "It was all in the past, I had nothing to do with that!" tend to like to lump modern ongoing problems into the list of things they shouldn't have to worry about.the clockmaker said:
And all too unfortunately, a lot of well intentioned people who wish to help subscribe to the belief that our guilt is inherited and while I will accept our collective responsibility to help our fellow citizens, quite happily in fact, anyone who thinks that I will feel the slightest bit of guilt over shit that happened before I was born can get stuffed.thaluikhain said:
I have run into aboriginal people while I was in the territory who shouted at me that I 'stole' their country and those pricks are about as low as the 'fuck off we're full' dickheads