A rant on PC fanboyism
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Sorry, but no. PC gamers aren't demanding higher end graphics, it was usually a given because of of the potential of the hardware available. Since developers knew that the kind of people who would buy their games would want to make the most of their hardware, they push it to technical limits whereas consoles were viewed as children's toys. What they demand now is proper use of the resources available and proper optimization. This includes things such as using DirectX11, which was excluded from Crysis 2 despite promise that it would. DirectX 11 isn't just for better visuals, but better performance.Sonic Doctor said:
Your games run without worry on the Xbox, because the hardware is static, there are almost infinite hardware combinations with PC's which can sometimes cause issues.
You may not have to replace your Xbox till the next generation, but how does it make it any better? So in 2 years, or less, you need to throw away what you paid 300 dollars, for another slightly better version for twice as much? Given the length of the current generation, a high end PC will easily carry over into the next generation, and can be modified for years.
Considering how long this generation has lasted, it's incredibly easy to get into PC gaming. The level of hardware required to play the current generation of games at the same level, if not better, is significantly cheaper than it was years ago. What was considered high end then, is now mid to low.Sonic Doctor said:
I get the feeling that you're viewing PC gaming the same as consoles. PC gaming isn't about getting a box that will only play games, it's about having your obligatory computer that CAN play games, rather than splitting the cost between two pieces of tech and simply having a higher level of freedom.
If it's your preference to play a console for the sake of simplicity, that's fine. Just don't try to compare the two as the same, because they're not.
I've never seen any PC gamer proclaim they're superior to console gamers. On the other hand, I've seen a lot of PC gamers demanding developers make full use of their platform's capabilities. As it stands, every single game released this year is developed around console hardware which is quite inferior giving that it was made way back in 06/07. PC's are capable of more hardware both wise and controller wise and all I want, and I hope most PC gamers want, is that when a developer decides to create a game for the PC they make full use of its capabilities.
Face it, consoles ARE inferior. The hardware is outdated and the controller doesn't have enough buttons which forces developers to create workarounds. Does this mean the PC is superior to consoles? Yes. Does this mean PC gamers are better than any other sort of gamer? No.
Face it, consoles ARE inferior. The hardware is outdated and the controller doesn't have enough buttons which forces developers to create workarounds. Does this mean the PC is superior to consoles? Yes. Does this mean PC gamers are better than any other sort of gamer? No.
From my dictionary...
console
noun
1 a panel or unit accommodating a set of controls for electronic or mechanical equipment.
- a cabinet for television or radio equipment.
- the cabinet or enclosure containing the keyboards, stops, pedals, etc., of an organ.
- a monitor and keyboard in a multiuser computer system.
PC gaming is console gaming.
In all seriousness though, every gaming platform has its elitists, and they're all annoying as fuck. So let's just ignore them, how about that?
console
noun
1 a panel or unit accommodating a set of controls for electronic or mechanical equipment.
- a cabinet for television or radio equipment.
- the cabinet or enclosure containing the keyboards, stops, pedals, etc., of an organ.
- a monitor and keyboard in a multiuser computer system.
PC gaming is console gaming.
In all seriousness though, every gaming platform has its elitists, and they're all annoying as fuck. So let's just ignore them, how about that?
"Almost every PC gaming thread I go on to is filled with smug pricks who act as though their choice of platform makes them better than anyone else."Racecarlock said:
Well PC gamers have INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY, and needed a lot of TIME AND EXPERTISE, and they don't do all that to be humble, they do that for an objectively more powerful and effective system.
How about you stop to consider how arrogant it is of yourself to except us PC gamers to be humble and deferential and basically LIE that our gaming PC is no better than 360/PS3? Because that is bullshit, as Xbox 360 gamers are utter elitists to Wii owners.
"You'd hate it if we constantly strutted around proclaming that gamepads are the unseatable god of control methods."
Everybody would hate that because that would be untrue.
Mouse + Keyboard ARE objectively superior to gamepad as an actual input device, this is a verified fact. Gamepad may be more comfortable to use as you can slump back on a couch, but that does not make it a better at doing it's job. It is CASUAL to value slovenly comfort over gaming capability.
"And yeah, the gamepad has less buttons than a keyboard."
Irrelevant. The Xbox 360 gamepad has 21 distinct inputs within easy reach PLUS two analogue sticks, that matches very well the number of inputs within reach of the fingers using keyboard and mouse. That is no excuse for dumbing down. No excuse for arbitrary 2-weapon-limit other than console gamers simpleton demands.
"most console gamers are sick of hearing how we're dirty peasents who are destroying the entire video game industry because we chose to play our games on a console."
Well I'm sorry you don't like to hear it BUT YOU ARE. Just because home-truths are uncomfortable to bear that does not mean you can dismiss them, how about you stop to consider how your choices are screwing the industry. You're constant whining of "it's too complicated" is meaning the PUBLISHERS are FORCING the developers to Dumb down!
Hi, I'm a PC gamer and I don't hate console gamers.
I have often wanted to own a console, but because of lack of funds i am unable to do that.
Sure, I have frowned every once in a while, when i see a game that's just a horrible port. And i do mean horrible. But that's all. Don't have any feelings towards the people who play on the consoles.
I have often wanted to own a console, but because of lack of funds i am unable to do that.
Sure, I have frowned every once in a while, when i see a game that's just a horrible port. And i do mean horrible. But that's all. Don't have any feelings towards the people who play on the consoles.
Hello I?m a mayor computer user and play a lot of my games on the PC, but that doesn?t mean that i don?t appreciate the console market. I also have and play games on the PS3 and the Wii. I grew up playing on a NES and loved the Mario games but when I got older, I started using the computer more. I?m stating this so that you will know what I?m coming from and how it may affect my opinion.
First of all it?s a very small amount of the actual PC demographic that acts like smug assholes publicly and they usually stick out because everybody acknowledges their claims by actually fighting a losing battle against them. But PC gamers aren?t the only one act in the manner which you have described.
I see just as many Console gamers fighting amongst themselves and against the PC gamers about ?How our system is the best and all other can go fuck themselves?.
Now this argument is flawed in so many ways, first of all the ?console war? as some idiots like to call it is dragging down and giving our entire industry a bad name. Especially when you look at the actual sales numbers for the various consoles.
Say what you want about the Wii, but it is a console from this console generation. Meaning that while you fistfight over if Xbox 360 or the PS3 is the best, the Wii just walked past you and won.
Though back to the topic at hand, what also has to stop is the use of the ?Fairness doctrine? on the internet, especially within our community.
What is the fairness doctrine you say?
It?s a law that existed in the United States before the rise of the internet to regulate all TV and Radio.
The law was pretty much that you Always, ?Always? had to present both sides of an issue or topic. Good idea in theory, bad idea in practice.
In practice it doesn?t work because it means that you can?t praise something without giving said equal praise to said objects counterpart. For if you don?t you just might be a ?Fanboy?
Thank you for taking you time reading some of my opinions.
First of all it?s a very small amount of the actual PC demographic that acts like smug assholes publicly and they usually stick out because everybody acknowledges their claims by actually fighting a losing battle against them. But PC gamers aren?t the only one act in the manner which you have described.
I see just as many Console gamers fighting amongst themselves and against the PC gamers about ?How our system is the best and all other can go fuck themselves?.
Now this argument is flawed in so many ways, first of all the ?console war? as some idiots like to call it is dragging down and giving our entire industry a bad name. Especially when you look at the actual sales numbers for the various consoles.
Say what you want about the Wii, but it is a console from this console generation. Meaning that while you fistfight over if Xbox 360 or the PS3 is the best, the Wii just walked past you and won.
Though back to the topic at hand, what also has to stop is the use of the ?Fairness doctrine? on the internet, especially within our community.
What is the fairness doctrine you say?
It?s a law that existed in the United States before the rise of the internet to regulate all TV and Radio.
The law was pretty much that you Always, ?Always? had to present both sides of an issue or topic. Good idea in theory, bad idea in practice.
In practice it doesn?t work because it means that you can?t praise something without giving said equal praise to said objects counterpart. For if you don?t you just might be a ?Fanboy?
Thank you for taking you time reading some of my opinions.
Some of them just can't understand that some people just find playing with a controller with a console more comfortable than with a keyboard and mouse. Or they feel like making a game simpler to handle makes it "dumbed-down" and therefore inferior.
I don't know. Maybe some people just get off on trying to convince people on consoles that their system is fail and the computer is God.
I'm just hoping it's the vocal minority. Because if all of them were really like that, it's really hard to sympathize when they cry about a lack of PC focused games.
I don't know. Maybe some people just get off on trying to convince people on consoles that their system is fail and the computer is God.
I'm just hoping it's the vocal minority. Because if all of them were really like that, it's really hard to sympathize when they cry about a lack of PC focused games.
I'm a PC gamer and the main reason I play PC games instead of console games is I would own a computer in either scenario, so why not have a good computer? Cost? That's completely understandable and now that I'm a bit low on cash I'm considering moving to consoles, but I just love keyboard and mouse, I was brought up on it. And hey, for games like Assassins Creed where the control scheme is designed for a controller I can always plug in an xbox 360 controller. That's really all there is too it. You know Half Life for PS2 supported keyboard and mouse via usb, consoles should have taken that hint so you guys can play RTS games and stuff. Then I'd probably buy the cheapest console.
Nope, during that time I only had the money to upgrade to where I could play them at settings just above minimum. I had to get at least that, because the stupid minimum settings list on the back of games means shit. Every time I have bought a game where my PC was only at minimum level, the game would always go ape-shit and not run or run for very long without errors.RadiusXd said:
From where I am standing, the only difference between consoles and PCs is that PCs can run a few programs that consoles can't like proper painting/art programs, office software, and a few other things. Internet surfing on consoles now is a little shaky, but it should be fine by next generation when they actually design them to and surf(The Wii is only one that advanced the farthest with this, but it was rather broken).WaaghPowa said:
Other than that, the only difference is that PCs advance way too fast in gaming respects. It may be different now, but from experience, PCs don't have longer generations than consoles.
Looking at what happened to me, we are looking at the average player, not the super geewhiz techno nerds that have the money to buy absolute top of the line PC gaming machine each time. Starting from when I first had to replace hardware on my first PC in 2003(before that it lasted in gaming for 6 years), up to 2008, buying upgraded hardware at a cost I could afford(like I would with each new console generation), I had to replace the hardware on my PC three times. So by going by minimum level standards over those years, PC gaming had three generations in that time period.
You see every 4 years or so I can afford to buy one of the next console generation, I do not however have the 1000 dollars or more to spend every four years or so for the latest top of the line gaming PC.
Until I can buy PC at 400 dollars that will last for 4 years or more with no upgrades and will play all the latest games, I will not see PC gaming as cheaper. Money-wise, consoles are better than PCs, because they are consumer pocket friendly, even with pay extra for online membership, and PC games being 10 to 20 bucks cheaper.
I'm a multiple platform gamer and pretty much across the board gamers are entitled dicks. (Spend 2 mins on xbox live)Busdriver580 said:
It is not just PC users, you can go to any platform specific forum and see misinformed bile.
Fanboys are idiots, but if a person wishes to limit their enjoyment based on their need to "fit in" with the other sheep, then why the hell should I care?
As for the original posters point on console controllers.
I've been using a FPS sniper for years on my xbox360, meaning should I wish to I can play pretty much any game using a keyboard and mouse. Using a PC peripheral on consoles has been a non issue for years now.
Sadly I don't ever see it happening. People need to justify their choices.Tuesday Night Fever said:
It's always struck me as kind of moot, I can't recall the last time I stopped for a second whilst reloading and admired the quality of the wall I was crouching behind. I've always been more concerned with avoiding the guy trying to decapitate me with a rocket launcher.
Add to that the fact that most Devs will not make their game on one format better than the competing format anyway, so you do get more or less the same game across the board, its all a rather pointless argument.
My PS3 CAN outperform my Xbox, I've rarely see it do so. My PC can outperform any console on the market, I've still logged more hours playing Morrowind on the original Xbox than I have on any other game.
That may have been true last year but it is thankfully finally starting to change.AndyFromMonday said:
-The PC version of Battlefield 3 was the only version shown all through E3 and the developers have gone to great lengths to maximise the graphics potential.
-Metro: Last Light also had the PC focus, while the previous game was very good for PC gamers, really challenged systems in offering the most pretty graphics and suitable controls.
-Witcher 2, obviously made with PC first and foremost. Any Xbox 360 port is still long away and if it was in any way a priority it would be done by now.
-Red Orchestra 2: now THIS is a PC shooter!
-Elder Scrolls V: I believe this was also PC lead all though E3.
-Rage may be made with consoles in mind but Carmack has repeatedly said he has designed the game to scale very well on powerful PCs, so if it looks great on 360 it looks AMAZING on a powerful PC! He is lead programmer and is committed to PC gaming.
Thing is we have just had a lot of high profile foul-ups like Crysis 2, Duke Nukem and Bulletstorm that seem to have given up on PC, but they have paid for that by generally being called inferior to their predecessor.
The tide is turning for PC as everyone is starting to realise the only way you are getting "next gen" graphics is with PC gaming as Playstation/Xbox aren't "regenerating" any time soon.
Other trends:
-Black Ops PC gets dedicated servers (sold $100 million worth on Steam in only 3 months)
-Fable series back on PC
-Kinect officially coming to PC
-Minecraft
-Street fighter returns to PC with Arcade Edition (after brief exodus with Super SF)
My only problem with "SOME" PC gamers, is that they believe that my Console is not deserving of certain titles, I.E I had a friend once say that Dragon Age: Origins should never have been released for the consoles, he said that I as a Console gamer could never appreciate a game that was so focused on content and story, and what not.
However in the end I bought DA:O for my 360, named it one of my favorite game of all time (and I played the supposedly weaker version of the games, what with it being on the console and all), and now there is more hate coming about Elder Scrolls 5 Skyrim and the fact Bethesda are doing to make it run well on consoles.
I believe unless a game has been declared as an exclusive to a platform, I.E. Gears of War, Halo, MGS4, Heavy Rain, Company of Heroes, we all deserve the right, no matter Console or PC gamer, to play a quality title.
We all also have a right to quality cheese, unless you're lactose intolerant, then you have a right to sandwiches.
However in the end I bought DA:O for my 360, named it one of my favorite game of all time (and I played the supposedly weaker version of the games, what with it being on the console and all), and now there is more hate coming about Elder Scrolls 5 Skyrim and the fact Bethesda are doing to make it run well on consoles.
I believe unless a game has been declared as an exclusive to a platform, I.E. Gears of War, Halo, MGS4, Heavy Rain, Company of Heroes, we all deserve the right, no matter Console or PC gamer, to play a quality title.
We all also have a right to quality cheese, unless you're lactose intolerant, then you have a right to sandwiches.
you know what i meant to say.RhombusHatesYou said:superdelux said:Me: I Play PC and PS3
Master Race and Console Peasantssimultaneously)*GASP* Kill the filthy Hybrid!!
An exaggerated response i sometimes get,but i think that each system has it Highs and Lows
and that us Gamers should stop infighting and rise up against our enemy's: BITCHY HOUSEWIVES WHO WANT TO BAN VIDEO GAMES AND FOX NEWS
Why do they want to ban video games and fox news?
Well, Nintendo didn't quite leave that realm. You mention cheapest console, and that would be the Wii, thought it is not major gaming friendly, that is why I have both a Wii and a 360.EGtodd09 said:
But what I was getting at is that the Wii comparing to the 360 and PS3(that really aren't delving in the realm), has internet capabilities, much better compared to the net surfing of the PSP I won in a poker tournament a few years back.
To continue, when I downloaded the free internet application that the Wii has, it notified me that I could plug in a USB keyboard to use for typing on the net, though it didn't say mouse, so they expect people to use the pointing of the Wiimote to replace a mouse.
Now if Nintendo were smart, they would improve upon the PC accessory interfacing with the WiiU. The problem is that Nintendo is the crazy wild horse in the console race. There are things it does nicely that the other consoles don't even look at, and the there are things like the internal hard drive which Nintendo doesn't understand needs to be a part of gaming consoles these days. The reason they don't is because it would make there consoles more expensive, but what they don't realize is that fans of Nintendo wouldn't care, because it would make their console functional as the competition. For a society that is such high into technology and functionality, the Japanese are really acting strange with how Nintendo is evolving and being run. They advance insanely far, 3D without glasses and such, but in other areas they are years in the past.
Heh, I must be the prius of the gaming world because I'm the hybrid gamer of PC and Console.
Meh, depends on your preference.
Meh, depends on your preference.
You can't prove that, though.superdelux said:you know what i meant to say.RhombusHatesYou said:superdelux said:Me: I Play PC and PS3
Master Race and Console Peasants
An exaggerated response i sometimes get,but i think that each system has it Highs and Lows
and that us Gamers should stop infighting and rise up against our enemy's: BITCHY HOUSEWIVES WHO WANT TO BAN VIDEO GAMES AND FOX NEWS
Why do they want to ban video games and fox news?