One point two billion dollars in debt, over 400 million of it to a singly individual we still don't know the identity of. And Gorfias would have as believe Trump is some kind of financial genius.
A review of the Trump Presidency
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My point is, everyone was doing better under Trump economic policies than previous policies.
If anyone is saying "F you, I got mine" it is the totalitarian left that wants to tribalize us and redistribute according to tribe rather than merit. Al Gore is fine, so it is OK to financially rape me and mine. To that, I really do reply, "to heck with that".
And if you could prove that, you would have done so already. You expect me to take it on faith. I've never been particularly good at the whole faith thing in general.
Once again, you are projecting so hard I could point you at a wall and present a slide show.
The problem here is not just your delusion that a robber baron is a man of the people. Equally troublesome is the fact that you don't have the first clue what it is the left actually believes. Obsidian in particular has gone to great length in this thread to make clear what they believe and why Trump has been a net negative for them, and every single time you respond with, "But mah tax cuts!!!!!!"
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If there were even a tiny bit of truth to what you write, things like this would not have happened. But they did. So you are wrong. Please rethink everything you thought you knew. https://nypost.com/2020/11/06/trump-won-record-minority-support-yet-the-left-is-calling-it-racism/
"In the 2020 election, we now see that millions of minority voters rejected the idea that their votes should be bound by identity politics, or as Joe Biden put it, that if you don’t vote Democratic, you ain’t black. That remark didn’t come out of nowhere. He was simply saying out loud what many on the left have long believed. "
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You are writing of 2 different things. Trump may make it harder to go to school, have a home, etc. on the public’s dime (though he supports DACA and I do not) but if you have more $, you don’t need the public’s dime. Do as you like. Including schooling, housing, etc.
It’s all conversation. If people have jobs with growing pay, everything else follows. And it is the Left, not the Right, I think, that wants control rather than prosperity. And I think that is the real reason they hate Trump so much.
I tend to assume every American style libertarian is pretty low down on the intellectual totem pole, but I don't think Gorf actually even understands it he just believes it's good because the people he believes are good told him it's good. I mean if he thinks the Dems come within smelling distance of socialism or Marxism then his understanding of those words is literally just "the bad things bad people believe".
... For the people who don't have more money, they need education. If they can't get an education, they can't get more money. If they don't have a proper place to live, they can't focus on making their life better because they can't sleep and eat and well... it's hard to focus on learning a trade while you're on the street.
And uncontrolled capitalism makes it impossible to do anything not on 'the public's dime'.
We live in a country that there are places that obtaining 100k per year means you'll need housing aid. That is laughable, but sadly true.
More money doesn't mean less problems. More money means more opportunities for this capitalists' lifestyle to fleece you.
And those links that I posted? Detailed how much this administration attempted to prevent higher pay. Which again runs counter to what you're espousing. Please explain to the lower class how much Trump Benefitted them by hiring CEOs as Secretaries of Labor that wanted the Minimum wage to not move one Iota? Or how it was really in their benefit that Trump's administration removed work place protections?
When they had the opportunity to raise the Federal minimum wage, the Democrats punted. Some 12 years later, they are still talking about $15 minimum.. while even $15 is not what it was 12 years ago.
With limited immigration, I would support that and an unearned income credit (an open borders welfare state, I am assured, is suicidal).
Unrestrained capitalism is a greased pole into Hell. You have to have some government. And we still do have very big government any Trump tinkering not withstanding.
You write that people without money need education. I disagree. I think a better, more liberal (in the true, freedom sense of the word) unskilled labor should still provide enough income to support a family. If working people cannot afford to support a family, there's a huge problem.
ITMT: Got to love Snopes. They call Trump's claims about record employment and rising wages mostly false as, they write, he cannot prove his policies caused the good pre-covid economy. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/unemployment-low-trump/
He does stuff like that. And...
President Donald Trump receives Bipartisan Justice Award in Columbia - ABC Columbia
COLUMBIA, SC (WOLO)–President Donald Trump delivered the keynote address at the Second Step Presidential Justice Forum Friday at Benedict College. Watch his opening remarks here. President Trump received the Bipartisan Justice Award at the forum. The Bipartisan Justice Award is the highest...
www.abccolumbia.com
I don't doubt he has cut budgets in some places, but has done other good things we don't hear about in others.
You just have to try to stay positive and when he does something good, publicize it.
See, there. You're doing it again. And the NY Post is a rag. You don't get to ***** about legacy media and then rely entirely on the trashy tabloids for your citations.
Case in point, that quote is asserting causation where they can prove none. You accuse the Dems of demanding minority votes, and yet here you are purporting to speak for them even as an actual black dude is trying to tell you why you don't get to do that.
And 7.75 isn't what it was 15 years ago. If you factored in inflation and rent in your take down of 7.75 per hour, ok, there's something there. But if 7.75 was the most they could push without giving the Republicans ammo for the next voting cycle of "The left is trying to make it so hard for the Small Businesses to function", that's the number they came up with.
We agree on unrestrained capitalism. We've seen as much as when Trump removed restrictions.
Trump's EPA Made It Easier for Coal Plants to Pollute Waterways
Obama-era rules could have reduced the chances of spills like the one caused by Hurricane Florence’s floodwaters
It's cheaper to have us all have health problems and ruined drinking water than it is to actually just be decent human beings.
I write that people need education because people didn't even want to hear my name after I had to drop out of school to take care of my Father because of his stroke, and then my mother. I had a long stretch of time unaccounted for and no one cared. I didn't have my bachelor's and no one cared why not. And I struggled a long period of time.
Having to explain why you've not been working for six years with a master's degree in Engineering is tough. But at the end of the day you have a master's in Engineering.
Now try explaining that to someone when you have nothing to your name.
And I agree with you. A working person should be able to support a family. Without a doubt. But the problem is they can't. Multiple jobs, not seeing their families, kids going to spend every day with their family at best or a day center center at worse. That is not the case because the economy is equitable to all. To make the vast amounts of unseemly money that most people want, you have to exploit people to do such.
Here. Here's the problem. You're so obsessed with trying to defend this ogre that you're not willing to actually face up to his multitudinous failures.
Ever since 2016, Trump has been slammed in front-page articles every single day it seems like. It seems that people are obsessed with trying to attack Trump, and they aren't willing to actually admit his accomplishments.
Basically it is.
If Trump reallly did anything for the economy, we should be able to cite the policies that made the difference. Effectively, the only one that made a huge difference was the tax cuts. Without it, growth would have been lower than Obama 2014-2016. Those tax cuts had an effect very much like a crude, old fashioned stimulus bill.
Stimulus is often done by the government borrowing more money and spending it, taxes don't change so the public spends the same, and so the additional government spending on top of normal government and public economic activity means more economic activity in total, at the cost of the national debt going up. What Trump did here was that he cut taxes so the people had more money to spend/invest, and the government spent the same, so in total there was more economic activity. At the cost of the national debt going up.
So that's the Trump economic "miracle" in brief: boosting the economy through more government borrowing and national debt. That's national debt's got to be paid back eventually, but that's someone else's problem, isn't it?
Okay, precisely, Obama said there were manufactuing jobs that were never coming back without a magic wand. So here's a graph of manufacturing jobs 1999-2018.
Around 17-18 million in 2000. ~14 million at the end of GWB and the crash. And under Trump by 2018, still under 13 million, well below 2008 levels. Incidentally, net manufacturing job creation in 2019 was very low.
So no, he hasn't really brought those jobs back, either.
And just to ram the point home, here's the US trade deficit:
So Trump oversaw a record trade deficit as well, underlining the point of how little the USA was really producing of its own under his presidency.
You realize you are not refuting the central point of the article. Here's another with the same stat.
Trump Wins Highest Percent of Nonwhite Voters of Any Republican in 60 Years
Trump has received 26 percent of votes from nonwhite voters, according to preliminary data from exit polls conducted by Edison Research for the National Election Pool.
www.newsweek.com
I keep reviewing this matter with people that vacillate back and forth between 2 points: either this great economy is just a continuation of the Obama economy, or it is just my lying perception and that the economy actually sucks. And back again.
Trump over saw an economy Obama said would require a magic wand. It just wasn't going to happen. But it did. Meanwhile, economists warned Trump would cause the stock market to crash. His policies would cause a global recession. The opposite happened.
The economy has done far better than predicted. I give the guy credit for it.
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