ACTA Passed, we failed.

[manaman]

...that some stupid handwritten publishing firm comes along and goes "gasp! These newfangled printing presses will make it easy for people to copy our books without any effort and they won't have to pay us anymore for taking the time to handwrite them and we'll lose a shitton of money!"...

Good point, except that pretty much all the basics of copyright law comes from this era because of that.

 

[Zorad]

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
-- Benjamin Franklin

 

[Awexsome]

ACTA's good. Jesus people stop getting your opinions from conspiracy theory videos. It in itself doesn't even do anything more than our current copyright laws do. This is a good first step in trying to combat piracy on the global scale it runs.

I want no more of the "jurisdiction" loopholes that pirates like to use because they could change their jurisdiction in a day while inflicting the exact same amount of harm if they hadn't changed it.

You need a global agreement on it so everyone is clear on what's lawful and what's not because the internet is global.

 

[12201]

ACTA's good. Jesus people stop getting your opinions from conspiracy theory videos. It in itself doesn't even do anything more than our current copyright laws do. This is a good first step in trying to combat piracy on the global scale it runs.

I want no more of the "jurisdiction" loopholes that pirates like to use because they could change their jurisdiction in a day while inflicting the exact same amount of harm if they hadn't changed it.

You need a global agreement on it so everyone is clear on what's lawful and what's not because the internet is global.

Maybe you and a lot of people don't understand what this could potentially mean. ACTA basically means they find copyright they have the right to shut down detain and fine the people who caused it and also the people who allowed it to happen. Youtube is full of copyright do you guys not understand that they can use ACTA to arrest people who put up games ect on youtube? What about megaupload, how do you think the FBI got the right to shut them down. They were a major piracy source and they where charged and fined for it they are also going through and looking at the files and uploaders and may be potentially charging them. Lets face it this way, ACTA will equal the end of all file sharing sites the end to youtube and video sites and they will also charge anything copyrighted. Google will most likely have censors in places so they won't get charged. Copyrighted photos being posted on facebook could result in charges. Your ISP will have to watch you a lot more now and report following violations to where you will get charged fined and possibly arrested. SO how the hell is ACTA not bad? someone explain how its not bad because all you guys think about is "Oh piracy being handled not the end of interwebz, TY GOVERNMENT" no did you guys take the time to think of these possible outcomes? Idc if this is my first post here this needs to be said because no one else thought of how this effected the whole internet entirely. So even if we are late this still could be a potential end to the internet in less the governments done all this just to troll us, which i highly doubt. So tell me again where is the goodnesss in this bill? Oh thats right no where -_- please think of what this bill is taking from us before you pronounce it good. For those who read this thank those who don't are missing out on what this could do if the government fully enforces this.

 

[maxmanrules]

I've had enough of companies selling us hardware that will never be ours and games that have expired. I'm hunkering down with cookies and milk and hitting my books.

No one can ACTA, SOPA or 'it's-not-yours-you-only-paid-for-the-right-to-bring-it-home' books.

But we do need your poop, because the milk from the cow was only paid for temporarily you see. And it also contained cameras, and you agreed to being spied upon by drinking the milk, and now we can sell that data to whomsoever we wish.

 

[Akimoto]

world leaders know that a dumb, uneducated population is more easily controlled

If my country signs it consider me onboard.

But we do need your poop, because the milk from the cow was only paid for temporarily you see. And it also contained cameras, and you agreed to being spied upon by drinking the milk, and now we can sell that data to whomsoever we wish.

.. you just had to bring that up. Now I can never look at poop normally. But as for milk being temporary, what shall we call the new law? I suggest Milk And Dairy Consumption Act Temporary Status or MADCATS.

Cookies for those who get it.

 

[Mrsoupcup]

He signed it, doesn't mean it passed.

Last I checked Obama over stepped his bounds when he did anyway, and has the senate pissed. Besides there is no way American companies would allow China free reign to police copy right laws.

As with Sopa, one the majority of the public gets wind of this the response will be to loud to ignore.

 

[rob_simple]

What with SOPA etc messing with the internet and Cameron doing his best to close libraries all over the UK, anyone like to join my conspiracy theory that world leaders know that a dumb, uneducated population is more easily controlled and, on a side note, that's how Simon Cowell, Piers Morgan and Jeremy Kyle get so much airtime despite no-one I know having a good word for any of them?

Spoiler

You sir, just blew my mind.

 

[ph0b0s123]

Obviously the guy in charge of looking at it for the EU thinks it's a good thing, not....

"In an unprecedented move, the French European Parliament member assigned to monitor the treaty proceedings, Kader Arif, resigned in protest at the signings, and issued a strongly worded rebuke, saying that the EU was trying to have as little public debate on ACTA as possible, and that right-wing groups were trying to ram it into law with no oversight.

?This agreement might have major consequences on citizens' lives, and still, everything is being done to prevent the European Parliament from having its say in this matter. That is why today, as I release this report for which I was in charge, I want to send a strong signal and alert the public opinion about this unacceptable situation. I will not take part in this masquerade,? he said."

From: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/27/eu_signs_acta/

 

[Awexsome]

ACTA's good. Jesus people stop getting your opinions from conspiracy theory videos. It in itself doesn't even do anything more than our current copyright laws do. This is a good first step in trying to combat piracy on the global scale it runs.

I want no more of the "jurisdiction" loopholes that pirates like to use because they could change their jurisdiction in a day while inflicting the exact same amount of harm if they hadn't changed it.

You need a global agreement on it so everyone is clear on what's lawful and what's not because the internet is global.

Lets face it this way, ACTA will equal the end of all file sharing sites the end to youtube and video sites and they will also charge anything copyrighted.

If this were in any way even remotely close to true I MIGHT take you seriously. Get off the conspiracy theory youtube videos dude... seriously.

 

[12201]

ACTA's good. Jesus people stop getting your opinions from conspiracy theory videos. It in itself doesn't even do anything more than our current copyright laws do. This is a good first step in trying to combat piracy on the global scale it runs.

I want no more of the "jurisdiction" loopholes that pirates like to use because they could change their jurisdiction in a day while inflicting the exact same amount of harm if they hadn't changed it.

You need a global agreement on it so everyone is clear on what's lawful and what's not because the internet is global.

Lets face it this way, ACTA will equal the end of all file sharing sites the end to youtube and video sites and they will also charge anything copyrighted.

If this were in any way even remotely close to true I MIGHT take you seriously. Get off the conspiracy theory youtube videos dude... seriously.

Ok i said prove me wrong you have yet to do this and you call it a conspiracy theory? i figured this out on my own with a little thought. Why do you think megaupload was shut down? when it happened i heard about this a few days later I still know mediafire ect are gonna end if megaupload was taken down. With megaupload megavideo ect was taken so how could youtube not be a possible one that will be taken down due to copyright such as anime ect. If these companies want it bad enough they are going to take down anything that belongs to them. Anime is a major pirated thing seeing as its posted in many different video sites. Youtube has so many videos and anime related copyright how could that not be a possible target for ACTA? If you don't think so look at how many AMV's are on youtube thats double copyright music and anime footage. anyway heres the facts i came up with and the real possibilities of this bill and you can't say my fact is wrong because how else could they just suddenly take out megaupload after all this time then a mysterious new bill arises as the new sopa/pipa replacement. Please disprove my theory and logic and I'll let this go.

 

[CarlMin]

Lol, dude, the treaty is about HARDWARE PIRACY, like DVD-bootlegging. This isn't SOPA. The internet will be fine.

In my eyes, ACTA is potentially worse. SOPA could have killed the internet. ACTA could kill so much more. Humans, for one thing.

Humans? Really? I mean, how is that possible?

 

[Awexsome]

ACTA's good. Jesus people stop getting your opinions from conspiracy theory videos. It in itself doesn't even do anything more than our current copyright laws do. This is a good first step in trying to combat piracy on the global scale it runs.

I want no more of the "jurisdiction" loopholes that pirates like to use because they could change their jurisdiction in a day while inflicting the exact same amount of harm if they hadn't changed it.

You need a global agreement on it so everyone is clear on what's lawful and what's not because the internet is global.

-snip-

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/or8ag/ive_read_the_final_version_of_acta_heres_what_you/Here's a much longer explanation of why it's not bad. There is the possibility of countries using it to enact their own SOPA's but if used responsibly this addresses a major issue of unifying internationally the idea of international copyright law because it's really needed with how international the internet and piracy is by nature. A server hosted in Australia, owned by someone in Europe, and run by someone in South America is absolutely no different in function than a U.S. owned and operated one with servers located in Virginia so there needs to be an international understanding on how to handle copyright laws.

ACTA is in itself only a treaty. An agreement between countries on how copyright laws should internationally be enforced. If something like SOPA did pass this would make it much worse. However if a better law was passed it would make it much more effective as well.

If one's distrust of government is so severe that you have absolutely no faith that they could ever come up with an acceptable piracy law now or ever and think they should just give up then that's the only way I could see this as a bad thing.

 

[GraveeKing]

Well as long as the vast majority of Europe stays out of this it's fine with me.
Although knowing my luck the UK have probably already or will try to sign it too.

 

[maninahat]

I've had enough of companies selling us hardware that will never be ours and games that have expired. I'm hunkering down with cookies and milk and hitting my books.

No one can ACTA, SOPA or 'it's-not-yours-you-only-paid-for-the-right-to-bring-it-home' books.

My GF once has a "copy" of Harry Potter 4, fresh from the photocopiers. It had the entire first chapter missing.

Yeah, unbeknown to many of us in the West, India, China and many other places have bootlegged books along with DVDs, games, CDs etc. The real thing is fairly expensive in a developing country.

 

[Jabberwock xeno]

This was 3 months ago. A little late to the party, aren't we?

More like 2 years.

I recall helping a thread on bungie.net that went on for like 30 pages, and right before the thread died, ACTA was neutered to the point where we didn't view it as a threat anymore.

Let me see if I can find it...

Ah, here it is:

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=47977996&postRepeater1-p=1

 

[maninahat]

Look? Guys? Will you all please calm down. Some of you are calm. That's awesome. You're all brilliant. Some of you are predicting the doom of everything you hold precious, though.

I want you all to do several things for me.

One: read the treaty itself. Throw out everything you already know if you haven't read it; just throw it all away, and read the treaty. It's likely not as bad as you think of it.

Two: If someone disagrees with your point on it, reason with them. I was accused of being bribed by the MPAA, a corporation that I associate with Dick Dastardly. That wasn't good reasoning. That was delusion. I didn't enjoy that, and their opinion was rendered void thusly.

Three: Please... stop assuming everything is evil. People are assuming that SOPA/PIPA are following onto ACTA, like it's a trend of four-lettered ending-in-"A" laws that will impede on their freedoms. SOPA and PIPA were bad apples that were going to ruin the internet forever. ACTA... not so much. It's not brilliant, it makes things harsher on law abiding citizens and it's worded vaguely enough to make that an issue. But it's not evil.

...I know, I KNOW, that people saying dumb, uneducated things on the internet is the norm. But we are discussing international politics here. Would it kill you to do your own research that didn't involve watching bloggers talk about it on Youtube? Some of you have, of course, and are siding against ACTA for well thought-out, good reasons. Others have taken a neutral stance. Some agree with it. I'm neutral to the treaty for now, of course; until its affects are actually become near enough to be called "impending" with a straight face, I'll watch and see where it goes. It's nowhere near finalized and the sentiments behind it are fair.

But I can see reasons to be both for and against this treaty, and the way it was handled and presented. If you don't, however, take some initiative and do your own research, make up your own mind, you'll come off as a screaming lunatic. This isn't a LOT that I ask. It's mostly common sense. We're discussing a fairly serious topic here and those of you who are screaming from the rooftops will only go to exasperate the desperation further. We need to be cool and calm and collected. I do hope you can deal with that.

To everyone who's done their research and is speaking from an educated viewpoint: thank you so, so much, for treating this important topic with the respect and care it deserves.

Thank you for this. It makes any comment I could make, utterly redundant by saying everything we needed to hear.

 

[superbatranger]

Heck, I thought we were past ACTA months ago. Why all the hubbub about it again?

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

Well as long as the vast majority of Europe stays out of this it's fine with me.
Although knowing my luck the UK have probably already or will try to sign it too.

Already signed.

ACTA's good. Jesus people stop getting your opinions from conspiracy theory videos. It in itself doesn't even do anything more than our current copyright laws do. This is a good first step in trying to combat piracy on the global scale it runs.

I want no more of the "jurisdiction" loopholes that pirates like to use because they could change their jurisdiction in a day while inflicting the exact same amount of harm if they hadn't changed it.

You need a global agreement on it so everyone is clear on what's lawful and what's not because the internet is global.

You do know ACTA is more than a SOPA or PIPA and affects more than just internet piracy because you sound like you think it that is the gist of it. It also affects generic medicines along with various other "nice" little things.

I'm not worried about ACTA because no one else is.

If I haven't heard of it, it's probably not a big deal.

It's called trusting the people that govern Earth.

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Look at 90% of the posts in this thread. most of them either don't understand what ACTA is or are conspiracy theorists. "Trusting DA GUBMNT" isn't going to happen.

Well yeah because they have had such a good track record in the past. Charlie Haughey tells the country to tighten its belt with the economic troubles goes out and buys £10k+ shirts. Fucking A on moral integrity from the Irish gov. By the way our old ministers for Finance also never had a bank account all those years he decided to write blank checks to people.



Just as a general note the problem a lot of people myself included have with ACTA is not the good intentions of it trying to curtail piracy but the broad language and potential for it to be quite abusive. You know the possible rise of medicine prices given that companies aims are to make money. Yes I realise medicine patents may be for another day but the ability to enforce it like this seems so wrong.

 

[willbailes]

Thank you Andy of Comix Inc, In a stupid thread I learned something. I didn't think it would be that bad.

But anyway, ACTA seems less about passing laws here, but instead getting China and Brazil up to our levels of copyright protection. Which I'm totally for.