Activision Confirms it Could Kill PS3 Black Ops Servers, But Says it Won't

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soapyshooter said:
Activision in general treats the PS3 badly every year with Call of Duty. Subpar visuals, horrible online issues and generally a less polished product than what the 360 gets. [...] It takes forever to find games, parties randomly get disbanded and sometimes the game just freezes on the countdown screen. Trust me, there is a problem and as for proof, just ask any of the million people online at any given moment on the PS3
Finding games, disbanding, and game locks are all problems that multiplayer ps3 codblops players face. It's pretty terrible and something that has plagued us even in mw2.

Sub-par visuals tho? I don't know. I haven't seen the two play next to one another. I don't see how the polish could be worse either way except for the networking end of things.
 

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DTWolfwood said:
Rationalization said:
DTWolfwood said:
"The publishers have the right to shut down the servers for their game at any time as well which based on the number of reported posts from users may be a viable solution over the free PSN."

That's stating a fact. Everything else implies possible intent.
I'm going to shut down the servers. I can shut down the servers. I can shut down the servers, based on evidence and reports it may be a viable solution. Only 1 is a threat.
your english is superior i admit defeat :p

i can certainly see why mr. Koblovsky thought what he thought.
I think we all can, when in an arguement you are on the defensive everything seems like a threat. = )

Jonny49 said:
Hardly fair on those who just want to play CoD online for enjoyments sake though is it?

OT: CoD has always had shit servers on the PS3 though, I remember MW2 being particularly annoying. I guess it comes with the territory?
They offered him a PC or Xbox 360 version, or a sealed version that he could take back to the store and probably get all the money he spent on it.
 

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I can see why he thought it was a threat. still, I think koblovsky is going a bit overboard with this. I mean, he's involving the Canadian government? absurd. also, its not just the ps3 version. I have troubles sometimes, and I have the 360 version of black ops.
 

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DTWolfwood said:
Rationalization said:
DTWolfwood said:
"The publishers have the right to shut down the servers for their game at any time as well which based on the number of reported posts from users may be a viable solution over the free PSN."

That's stating a fact. Everything else implies possible intent.
I'm going to shut down the servers. I can shut down the servers. I can shut down the servers, based on evidence and reports it may be a viable solution. Only 1 is a threat.
your english is superior i admit defeat :p

i can certainly see why mr. Koblovsky thought what he thought.
Indeed, it's all in the details of the English :) That's why people pay lawyers so much to confuse people with their BS :p

But yes, you are right, you can see why the user might get the wrong end of the stick, especially when he is upset, however that doesn't alter the fact that he was wrong! :) And once he takes the quote out of context, he can put it on his blog surrounded by missinformation and scaremongering and then it's far more likely that other people will take it out of context too, so the cycle begins. If everyone just chilled out, sat back and read it all with impartial rationality, that guy and his blog would have been shot down immediatley and this news story wouldn't even exist :)
 

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-sighs- I'm going to have to deal with assholes like these soon enough.

Customer service guy is right. Their servers, ps3 users ain't paying for them, they don't have to host them. Simple fact of life.
It's also true that the people who bought the game did so with the understanding that it would have multiplayer servers. If they did shut them down. I think there might be a case to be made for fraudulent misrepresentation.

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On the box for MW2 (so i'm assuming its the same for Black Ops, I can't afford it) it say's features may change at any time. Yes its in the small print, but its on the box, not the EULA, so Activision are covered on this.
 

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Doesn't really matter at this point considering I'm not buying another COD game (this was my 2nd) or at least not at full price. If PS3 gamers are being charged the same as 360 gamers we should at least get the same quality graphics. If we payed for PSN I'd have grounds for a stronger argument over the POS they call the multiplayer. So until then I can only ask that Activision takes some pride in their product and point the finger at us because its obvious its a widespread problem on their end.
 

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Let's be blunt here, it was a threat despite the spin being put on it. The basic point here being that before actually suffering substantial legal action they will close the servers. The basic point being that if too many complaints were being raised, and the goverment got involved, Activision would simply pull out.

That said, I actually tend to agree with the guy making the complaints. A lot of video game companies do take a very slapshod attitude towards their products, especially when it comes to multi-platform releases and platforms they don't think are quite as profitable and thus not worthy of as much work as other ones. Gaming is a big business and it does all the other things that other businesses do, and we as consumers have just as much of a right to call them on it.

Strictly speaking, there are a lot of legal issues connected to things like this that haven't yet been addressed, and probably should be. The servers being "free" is not an issue here, the issue is that one of the features your paying for is multiplayer, which is says right on the box. If that multiplayer is broken, and doesn't work as it should be, that's like any other shoddy or defective product being put out on the market. What's more, returns with video games is a BIG deal given that unlike a lot of other products you can't just take them back to a store and return them for a refund.

Right now EULAs when disputed in of themselves have done okay legally, but an angle that has yet to go to court in regards to video games is the lack of information on the package. Simply put, when you pay your money your typically not agreeing to anything other than what the package itself says. All of the legal stuff in the game can be considered debatable because you already paid BEFORE that came up, and your being forced to agree to it or lose the money you already paid since you can't return the product. As far as I can tell this has yet to be fought on these grounds. Technically, people should be made to sign the contract as part of the purchuse with that understanding. Digital distribution already does this as you have to "click off" on a purchuse agreement as you pay, but with physical media like console games this is hardly the case.


To be entirely honst, I have not looked at the Black Ops. packaging as I am not a FPS player. It however seems unlikely that the "coverage" Activision gave themselves in the EULA was clearly stated on the package (and there are laws governing fine print, ard marking an asterix or whatever for further information when it's not readily availible on site). Heck, I don't think I've ever seen a game with multiplayer that clearly marked that the company could choose to take the servers down on the packaging. As "ridiculous" as it might sound in a lot of places gaming companies are probably required to run gaming servers in perpetuity for that reason, and if questioned on this grounds things are going to get REALLY interesting. It never went anywhere because whining nerds do very little, but when Microsoft took down the old Halo multiplayer so they could update X-box Live, there was some discussion about what would happen if *SERIOUS* legal action was actually taken on these grounds, based on the packaging at the time of purchuse, especially considering that this was old enough for multi-player to be new and nobody had thought things through to quite that extent yet.


As odd as this sounds, I've actually been of the opinion for a while that both digital purchuses and games with online multiplayer should be backed by something similar to trust funds before they can be sold. That is to say that the companies selling these products should have to create an account as part of the development that generates enough interest to keep servers running and mainence personell (if required) availible indefinatly. This as a protection against the company itself going under, or something similar. You see with the kids of rich people, and certain charities that operate purely off of interest from accounts they hold. This would render the threat of something like STEAM going out of business, or a company not being able to afford continueing to maintain the "Demon's Souls" servers more or less irrelevent. Of course it does mean that a lot of smaller companis simply wouldn't be able to distribute digitally or create multi-player games, but as a consumer I'm actually cool with that as I'm not all that fond of everything going digital nowadays, and it would encourage a lot of smaller companies to develop single player, offline, physically distributed games which are what I generally prefer anyway. :p

I doubt it will happen, or at least not in the near future, but I'm always hoping that we will see what I'd consider a properly fought legal battle will take place (I think most suits on similar things pursued the wrong angle), and as a result the above is what we'll see, because honestly I simply don't care for the idea of being totally at the mercy of a corperation (and it's continued existance) for access to what I paid for.
 

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I can see someone working at the the company and receiving all kinds of crap on a daily basis for things he can't change and the programmers are having trouble trying to fix being threatened with legal actions and acting like a dick because he just can't take it anymore. I'm just surprised we don't hear more stories of people in companies responding with "Shut the hell up you twit we're working on the fucking problem but its slow take what you have or get the fuck out we can't fix everything right away stop complaining!" I consider the comment to boil down to "stop being just a selfish dick, we're working on it and really we own the thing so stop acting like a twat and thinking you can demand this."
 

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Well, then they shouldn't even release the game on the PS3 to begin with. PC and 360 only. And that's it. I don't care how much money they lose, it's a hell of a lot better than seeing other gamers fall victim to the same shit.
 

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I've had so many errors with black ops i was starting to think it was because I had the old style ps3. Its good to see its pretty common and it definitely effects my hardware. I've never known a game to do shit that weird.
 

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I like that indication there in the quote.

"If it's a free service, we don't have to care about it."
 

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Eri said:
Zenode said:
So instead of actually telling the customer that "Yeah we are(n't) working on a fix for the problem" he basically pulls the finger at him and says "We really don't care, we can take it whenever we want, so take it or leave it"

I'm sorry but I think its irresponsible Customer Service
Except it's not. There's obviously no real proof there is a problem. This guy sounds like he was just wanting to stir up trouble. Even if the CSR had meant it as a threat, it was worded well enough it can be taken any number of ways.
No problem? I have a bad connection admittedly, but Blops not only lags every single match for at least a few seconds, it also freezes constantly. Before playing Blops, my PS3 had frozen twice. Now, in an hour of playing Black Ops, it'll freeze at least twice that. Zombies is a nightmare to get into, the fucking system froze 15 times before I could finally get on. Between freezes, connection errors, and all kinds of other shit, it might take me half-an hour to get into a lobby.

Bad Company 2 lags one out of every ten matches, and has never frozen. It takes less than a minute to start up the game and get into a match.
 

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Wow first the guy from Riot now this. Though this guy might have actually misspoken.
 

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it was a polite threat at least. After reading what was said, I would take that as a threat. so is the threat of legal action though....so let's call a spade a spade? though the thought of activision shutting down ps3 servers is one of the most hilarious things I've heard in awhile
 

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I'm sure the guy was getting pissed at some dude who was making bullshit threats about, "I paid for this game and with these servers acting up it's my legal right to DEMAND the service I have paid for or a complete refund of all my hard earned money."

Y'know... the douchebag type consumer. Obviously a poor choice of words by the customer service but I don't blame the guy. I'd want to shut up somebody like that too and a, "Well you're a fucking idiot" could've costed him his job. So he says that.
 

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wait... did that person just claim that because PSN is free they shouldn't give a fuck about it?