Activision Hate Understandable, But Unfair, Says Social Media Guru

[jackpipsam]

When they stop shutting down parts of gaming history then yes maybe I may buy there products again

 

[DoctorPhil]

Amrich does make a good case: It is very easy to think of Activision as an evil empire, and Kotick as some fiendish despot, just because of the publisher's size and success

I never hated Activision for their size and success, hated Kotick for being an arrogant dick and the company for repeatedly and mercilessly screwing over their customers.

We need more CEO's like the guy from Tripwire, nerdy, ex-modders who make games because they enjoy them and so treat their community and fans with a degree of respect.

Activision got big and successful by repeatedly and mercilessly screwing over their customers and Kotick's an arrogant dick because he's sittin' on top of a big, successful company.

Thank's for agreeing with us, we do indeed have reason to hate them according to you. After all, they're mercilessly screwing over their customers and Kotick's an arrogant dick like you're saying.

You left out the "big and successful" part I said couldn't be easily divorced from the other parts.

Ok, they're big and succesfull. That doesn't take away they're still "mercilessly screwing over their customers" and "kotick's an arrogant dick", wich makes them hatable.

I edited it out because it was irrelevant to the point everyone's making.

 

[JDKJ]

Ah, yes, the best way towards a better image is honest conversation.
Such as a conversation that consists of you constructing made-up reasons why people hate you, while not even adressing ONE substantial complaint that people usually bring forth against you.

Reminds me of the last honest conversation I had with my girlfriend. She was shouting at me for sleeping for her sister and I told her to calm down, because her problem is obviously simply that my **** is too large for her.

You've used that trick, too?! Push the fault offa you and onto the other person. Works like a charm, don't it? It's No. 3 on my Top Ten List of Tricks.

 

[JDKJ]

Of fucking course he thinks it's unfair... he fucking works there..... derrrrrrrrrp

Not only does he work there, he gets paid to put favorable spin on the ball. Or, if that doesn't work, hide it where it can't ever be found.

 

[PettingZOOPONY]

I'm going to go buy a bunch of Activision/Blizzard games now.

 

[Canid117]

Talk is cheap Dan. Makes new and interesting games of high quality at fair prices and sow Kotcik's mouth shut with razor wire and then people will stop hating Activision. Not before.

 

[teebeeohh]

if you want to learn how internet hate works just look at minecraft.

 

[PhiMed]

But if the theory that the bigger you get, the more haters come crawling outta the woodwork is valid, ain't nobody gonna hate on Valve. They ain't big. Not in the Apple, Google, Microsoft, Sony sense of big. Let 'em get that big and watch the haters hate. Haters gonna hate. That's what haters do: they hate.

No they aren't Microsoft big, but I guess I was giving an example in a specific field.
In cell phones though, I haven't seen any rage towards Nokia, even though they were running away with the cellphone market. I do see a fair bit for Apple though.

You might as well compare my money to Warren Buffet's money.

Apple ended its most recent quarter with nearly $66 billion in cash, increasing its war chest by an astounding $6.1 billion in just three months. Their cash pile is worth more than the combined market capitalization of Nokia, Research In Motion and Motorola Mobility.

Sixty-six billion in cash -- and that's just counting the cash -- buys a lotta hate. Haters gonna hate. That's what haters do: they hate.

I think we're on different pages, I was going by market share, with you going by net worth. Either way, you're right, haters gunna hate, regardless of who does what.

Market share may be irrelevant. Honda's share of the market for automobiles probably surpasses that of Ferrari, Lamborghini, and Bugatti combined. But no one's gonna hate on you for driving a Civic.

What an absurd statement. Are you suggesting that Lamborghini, Ferrari, or Bugatti make more money than Honda? Or are you suggesting that only rich people buy Activision products? Do you have a point, or are you just continuing your "haters gonna hate" troll theme?

 

[JDKJ]

But if the theory that the bigger you get, the more haters come crawling outta the woodwork is valid, ain't nobody gonna hate on Valve. They ain't big. Not in the Apple, Google, Microsoft, Sony sense of big. Let 'em get that big and watch the haters hate. Haters gonna hate. That's what haters do: they hate.

No they aren't Microsoft big, but I guess I was giving an example in a specific field.
In cell phones though, I haven't seen any rage towards Nokia, even though they were running away with the cellphone market. I do see a fair bit for Apple though.

You might as well compare my money to Warren Buffet's money.

Apple ended its most recent quarter with nearly $66 billion in cash, increasing its war chest by an astounding $6.1 billion in just three months. Their cash pile is worth more than the combined market capitalization of Nokia, Research In Motion and Motorola Mobility.

Sixty-six billion in cash -- and that's just counting the cash -- buys a lotta hate. Haters gonna hate. That's what haters do: they hate.

I think we're on different pages, I was going by market share, with you going by net worth. Either way, you're right, haters gunna hate, regardless of who does what.

Market share may be irrelevant. Honda's share of the market for automobiles probably surpasses that of Ferrari, Lamborghini, and Bugatti combined. But no one's gonna hate on you for driving a Civic.

What an absurd statement. Are you suggesting that Lamborghini, Ferrari, or Bugatti make more money than Honda? Or are you suggesting that only rich people buy Activision products? Do you have a point, or are you just continuing your "haters gonna hate" troll theme?

If you read the entire discussion between Braedan and I, hopefully you'll see where there was at one point in the discussion a disconnect between us in that he was relating company size to market share while I was relating company size to net worth. The post that you quote me on was intended to illustrate my position that market share isn't as relevant as net worth because it is possible for a company to gain substantial market share yet not have the kind of net worth that would cause haters to hate on the company. The comparison of Honda to Lamborghini, Ferrari, or Bugatti was a rhetorical device intended to reinforce the notion that notwithstanding Honda's substantial share of the market for automobiles, it is unlikely that driving a thirty thousand dollar Honda Civic will breed hate. But driving a three million dollar Bugatti will certainly breed hate. Why? Because haters gonna hate. That's what haters do: they hate.

 

[Sporky111]

It's really just the same thing they've said over and over before. Some variation of "People hate us because we're big and successful, but that's not fair". Big deal. If they actually took a step back and looked at the games they're putting out, instead of putting blinders around their bottom line, they might get the respect other big companies get.

 

[Booze Zombie]

Hate implies I go around foaming at the mouth any time something is mentioned (currently, only one person is deserving of a such a response from myself).

I am annoyed by Activision, their plan of just bumping up the cost for a game until it reaches the point that buying a game becomes a religious devotion of money towards your prophet of choice is what annoys me. They can release all of the shitty, well-selling games that they like, however, it's trying to increase the overall price of games that I think is both ineffective as a money making strat (volume of sale increases as price decreases) and kind of dickish.

Point is, I don't hate on Bungie and whoever makes the Barbie and My Little Ponie games, I'm sure as Hell not wasting my precious RAAAAAAAGGGGEEEE hormones on Activision, either.

 

[JDKJ]

Hate implies I go around foaming at the mouth any time something is mentioned (currently, only one person is deserving of a such a response from myself).

I am annoyed by Activision, their plan of just bumping up the cost for a game until it reaches the point that buying a game becomes a religious devotion of money towards your prophet of choice is what annoys me. They can release all of the shitty, well-selling games that they like, however, it's trying to increase the overall price of games that I think is both ineffective as a money making strat (volume of sale increases as price decreases) and kind of dickish.

Point is, I don't hate on Bungie and whoever makes the Barbie and My Little Ponie games, I'm sure as Hell not wasting my precious RAAAAAAAGGGGEEEE hormones on Activision, either.

Annoyance is hate in its embryonic stage. If you fertilize annoyance and give it plenty of sunshine and room in which to grow, eventually it will bloom into hate.

 

[Quaidis]

People are going to hate Activision for what they do. They could go saving puppies from shelters, but the thing is they wont. They've got too much time making sequels and driving good games into the ground. They want nothing more than to milk every drop from the bloated cow called the Gaming Industry.

So stop pretending you're not a woefully unsympathetic organization, Activision. Just stuff it and go on being hated. The more you man up to the fact that you're hurting the game industry, the more people will just accept you for who you are.

 

[inFAMOUSCowZ]

They dropped Brutal Legend, and then tried suing EA/Double Fine for still trying to make it.

 

[Booze Zombie]

Annoyance is hate in its embryonic stage. If you fertilize annoyance and give it plenty of sunshine and room in which to grow, eventually it will bloom into hate.

Perhaps "annoyed" was also the wrong word, "I take issue with that one thing they're doing"?
I think that phrase shall do.

They're a business trying to make money, but they come off more as cartoon businessmen talking about "meat with wallets", rather than sinister suits hiding in a tower fortress laughing about the stupid kids powering their conspiracy to obtain 99.9 percent of all the disposable income in the world.

 

[Xannieros]

It's not because they're a big company.. I don't care about that. It's that they create cookie cutter games with no real aspiration to make it special. It's just about the money to the people at the top, and they show it with the quality of games they produce. That and Kotick is the face of Activision now. Not good. Should have kept his mouth shut.

No matter who says they aren't evil, they will be in my eyes until they prove otherwise. I bet they paid these people to write about their company because they see a dip in sales.

 

[Bags159]

I don't hate activision because they're big. I hate activision because they make shit games. They absolutely ruined CoD, nowadays it's just a half-broken FPS staggering about waiting for it's SP to finally drop off and it's sales to plummet.

Are you implying that Call of Duty was ever good?

I don't love Activision, but I can't say I hate them. Reactions towards Activision are always fun to read, though.

Nope those are Activision/blizzard games but you know that.

What? I think you've quoted the wrong person.

People are going to hate Activision for what they do. They could go saving puppies from shelters, but the thing is they wont. They've got too much time making sequels and driving good games into the ground. They want nothing more than to milk every drop from the bloated cow called the Gaming Industry.

So stop pretending you're not a woefully unsympathetic organization, Activision. Just stuff it and go on being hated. The more you man up to the fact that you're hurting the game industry, the more people will just accept you for who you are.

If people didn't buy their crap they wouldn't make it. Apparently there's a demand for sub-par sequels being pumped out every year and Activision is just meeting it. Nothing evil about that.

I bet they paid these people to write about their company because they see a dip in sales.

"According to Activision's Dan Amrich"

Yes, I'd imagine they're paying him since he, ya know, works for them.

 

[pretentiousname01]

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In cell phones though, I haven't seen any rage towards Nokia, even though they were running away with the cellphone market. I do see a fair bit for Apple though.

man and what do you see apple doing

iphone
iphone 2
iphone 3
iphone 4

ipod
ipod touch
ipod bigger hard drive

Reminds me alot of
guitar hero
guitar hero 2
guitar hero 3
guitar hero 4

and
call of duty 4
call of duty waw
call of duty mw2

I see similarities!

~~~in total agreement with your statement. Just saw the phone thing and used it to springboard.

 

[Twilight_guy]

Actually it's both the fact that they do crap and the fact that they are large. All companies do crap but the large ones attract more attention and thus more public ire for it. Small companies get away with things because no one cares. Luckily for them, they make enough money to not care what a small vocal group of gamers think.