Activison= Evil Douchebags

[Sejs Cube]

Man, that's a real shame to hear about True Crime: Hong Kong. Saw their presentation at the VFS 2011 game dev expo and they looked like they had put a lot of work and thought into the project. Then to get it axed so late in the game... ouch.

 

[BENZOOKA]

It's all in the moolah, baby. Some just don't give a shit about anything else.

 

[migo]

When a company makes a decision you don't agree with, in order to make more money. They are not evil!
They are being a company, you know, the whole basis of the western economy.

Yes, there are game companies out there, that act a bit more subtle on their goals, but can we please stop calling it "evil".

Actually, if profit, and nothing else, is what motivates you, you pretty much are evil. If you do horrible stuff without getting any profit, then you're just insane.

 

[migo]

Activision has now adapted the

EA business plan. Make 3 games over and over every year. Do not take chances, let the up and comers burn...

That's not EA's business plan anymore though, just their sports division.

 

[Carlston]

Activision has now adapted the

EA business plan. Make 3 games over and over every year. Do not take chances, let the up and comers burn...

That's not EA's business plan anymore though, just their sports division.

True, but they have had this pattern after losing Origin in 90's. Sports only, trickle money for non sports games, get a hit like Sims or first few call of duties...leech. When dried out, back to only sports.

I understand in this biz it's all about the bottom line... but I could do less with 400 million dollar to make games and settle for one with 1/4th the budget that was actually fun to play.

 

[SovietSecrets]

Because Guitar Hero sucked? Why wouldn't they cancel that game? Just pick up a PC version of GH 3 and then add the songs you want. After GH 3, there was no need to every buy another GH.

 

[pyrosaw]

You HAVEN'T been boycotting Activision? And you just realized they beat franchise's until there black and blue? What rock have you been living under?

 

[Continuity]

Look at how Valve have advanced in 7/8 years by being good (both morally and in terms of quality).

Nothing to do with them being bankrolled by steam then...

 

[squid5580]

The world of business works in the gaming world too.
Guitar Hero - doing crap? Drop it. It's like with anything else in the competitive world.

Yes, Activision are dick heads, but they do have a good business head on their shoulder. Whether people think it's "ethical" or not.

I would question how bleeding everything dry with minimal creativity is showing a good business head.

Look at how Valve have advanced in 7/8 years by being good (both morally and in terms of quality).


EA's turn-around in the last few years has also meant they've secured a lot of today's biggest titles, through distribution (EA Partner) or serving as a direct publisher.

If they only had Call of Duty (and let's face it, ignoring Blizzard, that's what's happening right now), best selling game or not, Activision would not be in a particularly comfortable place. As luck for them would have it, they have WoW.

Uhh record breaking COD sales would disagree with you. They are giving the people what the people want. Which makes them the smart ones. I don't see Valve breaking any sales records. But then again I don't see anything new coming out of Valve in the near future either. They just have a couple series that they haven't had time to milk to death yet. At least Activision published a couple new IPs lately. Even if they didn't break records they weren't bad. Heck Singularity was even great IMHO.

 

[Woodsey]

The world of business works in the gaming world too.
Guitar Hero - doing crap? Drop it. It's like with anything else in the competitive world.

Yes, Activision are dick heads, but they do have a good business head on their shoulder. Whether people think it's "ethical" or not.

I would question how bleeding everything dry with minimal creativity is showing a good business head.

Look at how Valve have advanced in 7/8 years by being good (both morally and in terms of quality).


EA's turn-around in the last few years has also meant they've secured a lot of today's biggest titles, through distribution (EA Partner) or serving as a direct publisher.

If they only had Call of Duty (and let's face it, ignoring Blizzard, that's what's happening right now), best selling game or not, Activision would not be in a particularly comfortable place. As luck for them would have it, they have WoW.

Uhh record breaking COD sales would disagree with you. They are giving the people what the people want. Which makes them the smart ones. I don't see Valve breaking any sales records. But then again I don't see anything new coming out of Valve in the near future either. They just have a couple series that they haven't had time to milk to death yet. At least Activision published a couple new IPs lately. Even if they didn't break records they weren't bad. Heck Singularity was even great IMHO.

We will have the eighth CoD game this year. Valve's biggest franchise hasn't seen a release in 4 years. Do you REALLY want to try and claim they, of the two, are the ones who milk stuff?

And yes, nothing apart from Portal 2 in a month or two. Bear in mind this is an independent dev studio of 250 people, not a publisher which eats up a bunch of dev studios at once.

And no, apart from controlling the largest share of the games downloads market, having HL2 the highest rated PC game on Metacritic, having HL2 (not including the Orange Box sales) sell 12 million copies (which is rather exceptional for a game that most only bought on one platform) , Valve haven't achieved anything at all.

Good business sense is not just about a cash and grab.

Look at how Valve have advanced in 7/8 years by being good (both morally and in terms of quality).

Nothing to do with them being bankrolled by steam then...

Yeah, and why do you think Steam does so well?

I'll give you a hint, it's because it's good (in both meanings of the word).

Activision pretty much suck,but they don't even get close to those bastards at EA.

The bastards that fund(ed) Battlefied, Mirror's Edge, Dragon Age, Mass Effect and TOR, and distributed the likes of Crysis, as well as Valve's console side of things?

 

[squid5580]

The world of business works in the gaming world too.
Guitar Hero - doing crap? Drop it. It's like with anything else in the competitive world.

Yes, Activision are dick heads, but they do have a good business head on their shoulder. Whether people think it's "ethical" or not.

I would question how bleeding everything dry with minimal creativity is showing a good business head.

Look at how Valve have advanced in 7/8 years by being good (both morally and in terms of quality).


EA's turn-around in the last few years has also meant they've secured a lot of today's biggest titles, through distribution (EA Partner) or serving as a direct publisher.

If they only had Call of Duty (and let's face it, ignoring Blizzard, that's what's happening right now), best selling game or not, Activision would not be in a particularly comfortable place. As luck for them would have it, they have WoW.

Uhh record breaking COD sales would disagree with you. They are giving the people what the people want. Which makes them the smart ones. I don't see Valve breaking any sales records. But then again I don't see anything new coming out of Valve in the near future either. They just have a couple series that they haven't had time to milk to death yet. At least Activision published a couple new IPs lately. Even if they didn't break records they weren't bad. Heck Singularity was even great IMHO.

We will have the eighth CoD game this year. Valve's biggest franchise hasn't seen a release in 4 years. Do you REALLY want to try and claim they, of the two, are the ones who milk stuff?

And yes, nothing apart from Portal 2 in a month or two. Bear in mind this is an independent dev studio of 250 people, not a publisher which eats up a bunch of dev studios at once.

And no, apart from controlling the largest share of the games downloads market, having HL2 the highest rated PC game on Metacritic, having HL2 (not including the Orange Box or digital downloads) sell 12 million copies, Valve haven't achieved anything at all.

Look at how Valve have advanced in 7/8 years by being good (both morally and in terms of quality).

Nothing to do with them being bankrolled by steam then...

Yeah, and why do you think Steam does so well?

I'll give you a hint, it's because it's good (in both meanings of the word).

Right we haven't seen HL ep 3 yet have we? It sounds more like they are using it for free marketing than actually working on it at this point. They would be better off never releasing it so it keeps the HL series on our minds. Meanwhile we get 2 sequels that we really didn't need instead. I mean sure L4D2 was better than the first but it still came out a year after the first one. If we don't see L4D3 by the end of the year then you may have a leg to stand on. But as it stands right now 1 year brings us 1 sequel from Valve. Sound familiar?

BTW I never said Valve didn't accomplish anything. Don't put words in my mouth.

 

[Woodsey]

The world of business works in the gaming world too.
Guitar Hero - doing crap? Drop it. It's like with anything else in the competitive world.

Yes, Activision are dick heads, but they do have a good business head on their shoulder. Whether people think it's "ethical" or not.

I would question how bleeding everything dry with minimal creativity is showing a good business head.

Look at how Valve have advanced in 7/8 years by being good (both morally and in terms of quality).


EA's turn-around in the last few years has also meant they've secured a lot of today's biggest titles, through distribution (EA Partner) or serving as a direct publisher.

If they only had Call of Duty (and let's face it, ignoring Blizzard, that's what's happening right now), best selling game or not, Activision would not be in a particularly comfortable place. As luck for them would have it, they have WoW.

Uhh record breaking COD sales would disagree with you. They are giving the people what the people want. Which makes them the smart ones. I don't see Valve breaking any sales records. But then again I don't see anything new coming out of Valve in the near future either. They just have a couple series that they haven't had time to milk to death yet. At least Activision published a couple new IPs lately. Even if they didn't break records they weren't bad. Heck Singularity was even great IMHO.

We will have the eighth CoD game this year. Valve's biggest franchise hasn't seen a release in 4 years. Do you REALLY want to try and claim they, of the two, are the ones who milk stuff?

And yes, nothing apart from Portal 2 in a month or two. Bear in mind this is an independent dev studio of 250 people, not a publisher which eats up a bunch of dev studios at once.

And no, apart from controlling the largest share of the games downloads market, having HL2 the highest rated PC game on Metacritic, having HL2 (not including the Orange Box or digital downloads) sell 12 million copies, Valve haven't achieved anything at all.

Look at how Valve have advanced in 7/8 years by being good (both morally and in terms of quality).

Nothing to do with them being bankrolled by steam then...

Yeah, and why do you think Steam does so well?

I'll give you a hint, it's because it's good (in both meanings of the word).

Right we haven't seen HL ep 3 yet have we? It sounds more like they are using it for free marketing than actually working on it at this point. They would be better off never releasing it so it keeps the HL series on our minds. Meanwhile we get 2 sequels that we really didn't need instead. I mean sure L4D2 was better than the first but it still came out a year after the first one. If we don't see L4D3 by the end of the year then you may have a leg to stand on. But as it stands right now 1 year brings us 1 sequel from Valve. Sound familiar?

They did that once, and even they admitted they didn't handle that right, AND they continued to support the first game with content.

What you're saying then, is that if Valve don't release a title, it's free marketing (nevermind the praise they've gotten for everything else), which makes them dicks, and if they do release something, they're money whores?

Words fail me.

 

[squid5580]

The world of business works in the gaming world too.
Guitar Hero - doing crap? Drop it. It's like with anything else in the competitive world.

Yes, Activision are dick heads, but they do have a good business head on their shoulder. Whether people think it's "ethical" or not.

I would question how bleeding everything dry with minimal creativity is showing a good business head.

Look at how Valve have advanced in 7/8 years by being good (both morally and in terms of quality).


EA's turn-around in the last few years has also meant they've secured a lot of today's biggest titles, through distribution (EA Partner) or serving as a direct publisher.

If they only had Call of Duty (and let's face it, ignoring Blizzard, that's what's happening right now), best selling game or not, Activision would not be in a particularly comfortable place. As luck for them would have it, they have WoW.

Uhh record breaking COD sales would disagree with you. They are giving the people what the people want. Which makes them the smart ones. I don't see Valve breaking any sales records. But then again I don't see anything new coming out of Valve in the near future either. They just have a couple series that they haven't had time to milk to death yet. At least Activision published a couple new IPs lately. Even if they didn't break records they weren't bad. Heck Singularity was even great IMHO.

We will have the eighth CoD game this year. Valve's biggest franchise hasn't seen a release in 4 years. Do you REALLY want to try and claim they, of the two, are the ones who milk stuff?

And yes, nothing apart from Portal 2 in a month or two. Bear in mind this is an independent dev studio of 250 people, not a publisher which eats up a bunch of dev studios at once.

And no, apart from controlling the largest share of the games downloads market, having HL2 the highest rated PC game on Metacritic, having HL2 (not including the Orange Box or digital downloads) sell 12 million copies, Valve haven't achieved anything at all.

Look at how Valve have advanced in 7/8 years by being good (both morally and in terms of quality).

Nothing to do with them being bankrolled by steam then...

Yeah, and why do you think Steam does so well?

I'll give you a hint, it's because it's good (in both meanings of the word).

Right we haven't seen HL ep 3 yet have we? It sounds more like they are using it for free marketing than actually working on it at this point. They would be better off never releasing it so it keeps the HL series on our minds. Meanwhile we get 2 sequels that we really didn't need instead. I mean sure L4D2 was better than the first but it still came out a year after the first one. If we don't see L4D3 by the end of the year then you may have a leg to stand on. But as it stands right now 1 year brings us 1 sequel from Valve. Sound familiar?

They did that once, and even they admitted they didn't handle that right, AND they continued to support the first game with content.

What you're saying then, is that if Valve don't release a title, it's free marketing (nevermind the praise they've gotten for everything else), which makes them dicks, and if they do release something, they're money whores?

Words fail me.

If that is how you want to percieve it that is fine. Especially since you are applying the similar logic to bash Activision. Personally to me they are companies. And companies do what it takes to make money. But of course Valve would never want to make a franchise like COD out of something like L4D right? Because only an evil company would want that.

Epic Fail

 

[GeorgW]

Welcome to the bandwagon, we've been around for a while.
Everybody hates Activision and Kotick, and people always say that they're gonna boycott their games. And guess what, black ops still sold 20 milion in the US (Or whatever the numbers are, I can't be arsed to double-check). Nobody can stop them, so just give up. (I could add a obscene sexual remark here, but I fear the mods.)

 

[The irish dragon]

all i saY IS THEY want more money so they can make new games

 

[Srs bzns]

Well, they've got Bungie now, soooo, fund diversion?

By the way, Inglip sees that brian has been asserted four times. Wierdest captcha ever.

 

[Jellly]

Dude why are you complaining about them cancelling Guitar Hero, one of the most stupidly prolific game series ever? You could probably play all 52 of their games and by the time you are down fucking your own mind hopefully you will have seen the light.

 

[Pandaman1911]

One of them is just a GTA clone, and the other... well, okay, maybe they weren't making enough money, or something. I don't know. But are they really evil for canceling a video game series? I mean, that seems kind of petty... poor business planning, perhaps, and maybe somewhat of a dick move, but not evil...

 

[Stilkon]

Yeah, I'm kinda in agreement with them cutting Guitar Hero. I loved the series, but it was going to happen sometime. They kinda jumped the shark with GH5, and I'm kinda glad now that I can redirect my meager finances to something a bit more worthwhile (LBP2, probably). It would've been nice if they could've finished their current projects, though.

As for True Crime, I never heard of it before the press release.

 

[Double A]

Yes, they are evil. No, not for those reason.

Realizing that their games don't sell well anymore and canceling them is good business sense. Milking every penny out of them (which they have/are/will done/doing/do) is evil. As is firing lots of employees who were complaining about not getting paid the correct dues. Also, Bobby Kotick is an asshole.