Actual City of Juarez Wants Videogame Juarez Banned

[WrcklessIntent]

Honestly I can see them justifying a ban in Juarez. I mean if a game came out called death to Americans I would want it banned to, atleast in America. If their not pushing for the game to be cancelled I see this as being fine.

Yeah, because not liking something means no one should be able to see it, right?

Did i say no one should see it? No. I'm just saying it's like hitting someone when they are down. The people of the city of Juarez knows that its shit and they don't want to play a game about it just reminding them. If Juarez bans the sale of it in Juarez I still see nothing wrong with it.

I don't think you understand the concept of freedom of speech.

No I understand it but i also understand morality. The people of Juarez don't want the game to be released in there city. As long as it gets released everywhere else I don't have a problem with it.

 

[manythings]

I can half understand though, shit be crazy there. If there were people shooting each other in my town and someone made a game wwith my towns name about shooting people I wouldn't look on it charitably.

Yeah I can see that to. I mean I don't live there so I can't really comment on the situation, but they probably see it as others profiting from their misfortune as well. I mean I don't know exactly the situation (and really someone inform me if I'm wrong) but its bit like having a game based on knife crime in certain areas of London

And then hanging the bodies from streetlights as a warning to the guys that he knew. Like I said, shit be crazy there.

 

[messy]

I can half understand though, shit be crazy there. If there were people shooting each other in my town and someone made a game wwith my towns name about shooting people I wouldn't look on it charitably.

Yeah I can see that to. I mean I don't live there so I can't really comment on the situation, but they probably see it as others profiting from their misfortune as well. I mean I don't know exactly the situation (and really someone inform me if I'm wrong) but its bit like having a game based on knife crime in certain areas of London

And then hanging the bodies from streetlights as a warning to the guys that he knew. Like I said, shit be crazy there.

Now that I didn't know. If you've been victim to it, no wonder you wouldn't want to see it emblazoned on video game boxes.

 

[manythings]

I can half understand though, shit be crazy there. If there were people shooting each other in my town and someone made a game wwith my towns name about shooting people I wouldn't look on it charitably.

Yeah I can see that to. I mean I don't live there so I can't really comment on the situation, but they probably see it as others profiting from their misfortune as well. I mean I don't know exactly the situation (and really someone inform me if I'm wrong) but its bit like having a game based on knife crime in certain areas of London

And then hanging the bodies from streetlights as a warning to the guys that he knew. Like I said, shit be crazy there.

Now that I didn't know. If you've been victim to it, no wonder you wouldn't want to see it emblazoned on video game boxes.

Oh no, I don't live there (and I thank Christ everyday about that) but I can see how quickly this can sour a person on a game when there real hanging corpses in your town.

 

[messy]

I can half understand though, shit be crazy there. If there were people shooting each other in my town and someone made a game wwith my towns name about shooting people I wouldn't look on it charitably.

Yeah I can see that to. I mean I don't live there so I can't really comment on the situation, but they probably see it as others profiting from their misfortune as well. I mean I don't know exactly the situation (and really someone inform me if I'm wrong) but its bit like having a game based on knife crime in certain areas of London

And then hanging the bodies from streetlights as a warning to the guys that he knew. Like I said, shit be crazy there.

Now that I didn't know. If you've been victim to it, no wonder you wouldn't want to see it emblazoned on video game boxes.

Oh no, I don't live there (and I thank Christ everyday about that) but I can see how quickly this can sour a person on a game when there real hanging corpses in your town.

I wasn't implying that you'd be effected sorry, a grammar mistake on my part. I can see why people argue for free speech and everything, and the expression of art etc. But at the same I can't help but think if they had experienced things first hand they may not be so on board with it.

 

[GeorgW]

Who is on board of a 9-11 game? I mean, think about it. We could make it real cool, tell a real high octane story of survival and overall badassery, all from the passengers' viewpoint. Throw in some cool stealthy and shooting mechanics and you can have the videogame version of the first half of passenger 57.

You can retake the plane and feel the thrills of saving everyone onboard, changing the course of American history...forever!

How about that? I mean, this is the exact same kind of thing. If you agree with that game seeing the light of day (Call of Juarez) then you should agree with this game (9-11: Redux). At least for the sake of consistency.

I like censorship as much as I like this game, as I do admit it is pushing a rather sore spot, but whatever, have it your way guys, I do understand that you don't care, that you don't have to care, and that you are entitled not to care (no sarcasm here, honest). But let's all agree then that a 9-11 video game could be cool 'cause I'm starting to get some nifty ideas.

Thing is, I would totally play a 9/11 game, just like I have watched a 9/11 movie. I mean, why not? Why should we all just ignore a significant historical and cultural event that has had repercussions that affects us every day, just cuz it was sad? Do you think they hid the Berlin wall? No, they made museums, they drew on what's left. They didn't hide the truth, they accepted, learned and profited from it.

I know this is in no way the same thing, this is an ongoing conflict, and is therefore different. Maybe this game shouldn't be released in Mexico? Mexicans can always import it. It's not that hard, it's just that kids can't.

That is not the issue. I would play a game set in the mess that is my country right now, not just Ciudad Juarez, and I'd do it right now...if it was done with care and actual seriousness. But that is not the case with Call of Juarez: The Cartel that is only being made to be fun escapism. It's way too soon to treat this thing for shits and giggles--or at least that's what I think. Give it some time, let people move on, and then you do whatever you want.

The people caught up in this thing are not soldiers as were the case for the Fallujah videogame, or the whole Taliban/Opposing Force deal. They didn't sign up for this thing as they are merely civillians. To treat this thing the way the guys at Ubisoft are doing is rather tasteless and disrespectful.

Well, to be fair, we don't know they will treat it lightly. Though it is very likely, and I completely agree with you.

 

[shintakie10]

Who is on board of a 9-11 game? I mean, think about it. We could make it real cool, tell a real high octane story of survival and overall badassery, all from the passengers' viewpoint. Throw in some cool stealthy and shooting mechanics and you can have the videogame version of the first half of passenger 57.

You can retake the plane and feel the thrills of saving everyone onboard, changing the course of American history...forever!

How about that? I mean, this is the exact same kind of thing. If you agree with that game seeing the light of day (Call of Juarez) then you should agree with this game (9-11: Redux). At least for the sake of consistency.

I like censorship as much as I like this game, as I do admit it is pushing a rather sore spot, but whatever, have it your way guys, I do understand that you don't care, that you don't have to care, and that you are entitled not to care (no sarcasm here, honest). But let's all agree then that a 9-11 video game could be cool 'cause I'm starting to get some nifty ideas.

Thing is, I would totally play a 9/11 game, just like I have watched a 9/11 movie. I mean, why not? Why should we all just ignore a significant historical and cultural event that has had repercussions that affects us every day, just cuz it was sad? Do you think they hid the Berlin wall? No, they made museums, they drew on what's left. They didn't hide the truth, they accepted, learned and profited from it.

I know this is in no way the same thing, this is an ongoing conflict, and is therefore different. Maybe this game shouldn't be released in Mexico? Mexicans can always import it. It's not that hard, it's just that kids can't.

That is not the issue. I would play a game set in the mess that is my country right now, not just Ciudad Juarez, and I'd do it right now...if it was done with care and actual seriousness. But that is not the case with Call of Juarez: The Cartel that is only being made to be fun escapism. It's way too soon to treat this thing for shits and giggles--or at least that's what I think. Give it some time, let people move on, and then you do whatever you want.

The people caught up in this thing are not soldiers as were the case for the Fallujah videogame, or the whole Taliban/Opposing Force deal. They didn't sign up for this thing as they are merely civillians. To treat this thing the way the guys at Ubisoft are doing is rather tasteless and disrespectful.

Well, to be fair, we don't know they will treat it lightly. Though it is very likely, and I completely agree with you.

We may not know that they will treat it lightly, but the Call of Juarez series isnt exactly known for its wonderful characters and thought provokin story. Heck, from what I remember about the last one I played it was mostly mindless jibber jabber and shootin people. Unless they suddenly do a 180 with this Call of Juarez, its pretty easy to guess how this game will portray its events. Poorly and without any class.

 

[Socken]

Amidst all the knee-jerking "Kids aren't supposed to play it, dood!" I just have to think.

The situation is already bad enough over there that they don't need video games glorifying the situation there (because I have absolutely no confidence in the developer to deliver a thoughtful, mature story or gameplay with it) making things even more desensitized there. From what I have read on previous threads on the subject, it seems that there's barely any regulation there, let alone one for video games, so I'd say that it'd be very easy for kids to get their hands on the game.

This, a million times.

I'm usually not too fond of all the VIDYAGAEMS R BAD FOR TEH CHILDRENS bullcrap that politicians and the media spout, but in this case I can kind of see why people would be upset. It's one thing to show violence in the context of fictional scenarios, scenarios from the past or even an actual war in the present, but making a game about the very real current problems of a region strikes me as somewhat irreverent.

It's as if someone made a game about Africa, where you have to survive Malaria and fight for basic human rights.

 

[Socken]

this is rediculous, he may as well be saying ALL violent games should be banned.

It's different, you don't understand there are people dying every day over there and it's a truly horrible situation, and to make it worse the government is not really doing anything to stop this, there are people getting raped and murdered over there, I don't know if you understand but it's really horrible to make a crime game in real city where people are getting killed and raped, and the cartels have practically taken over the place, it's really quite offensive for those of us who live in Mexico.

Horrible situation, people getting raped, murdered, blah blah blah, its terrible, we get it, its a place, grab whatever food, water, and other provisions you do or do not have and gtfo, obviously if the place is so bloody terrible living as a hobo in a safer town is a step up, if they've got the time and connections to beg the government they should be begging for a competent militant force, or maybe the emo citizens could grow a pair and kill off the cartels alongside what small militant force exists?

The game is not going to do shit to change the place, except maybe get a bit more public attention, which if is truly their aim there is better ways to go about it then hassling game developers with or without bad taste. By this logic every third world civilization in the world + peta should burn Mario in effigy for stomping delicious edible turtles, while the rest of the world curses his name for being a shroom addict.

P.S. Citizens of Juarez, either Get out, Fight for your land, or Stop Bitching.
P.P.S. Cartels run on druggies, might as well kill those sobs off too and get the enablers at the root.

It's amazing how complete ignorance makes even the most difficult problems trivial.

Pffft, in the grand scheme of things, we humans are less then ants on a universal scale, everything is trivial. Ignorant be they who still believe human existence is important, granted its still interesting.

You are so cool and edgy please keep forcing your viewpoint on others.

 

[WrcklessIntent]

Honestly I can see them justifying a ban in Juarez. I mean if a game came out called death to Americans I would want it banned to, atleast in America. If their not pushing for the game to be cancelled I see this as being fine.

Yeah, because not liking something means no one should be able to see it, right?

Did i say no one should see it? No. I'm just saying it's like hitting someone when they are down. The people of the city of Juarez knows that its shit and they don't want to play a game about it just reminding them. If Juarez bans the sale of it in Juarez I still see nothing wrong with it.

I don't think you understand the concept of freedom of speech.

No I understand it but i also understand morality. The people of Juarez don't want the game to be released in there city. As long as it gets released everywhere else I don't have a problem with it.

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Look if there is someone in Juarez who wants the game they can just import it there are ways you can get things through the internet and no I'm not saying the majority needs out weigh the needs of the few. Hell thats the reason why I hated the end of Watchmen. You seem to be thinking that I'm this person who trys to fuck over the little guy but I'm not. I'm thinking what if I was in that situation. What if a game came out called death to all Americans? I would what that sucker out of stores so fast. It could be bought or sold elsewhere I just wouldn't want it sold in my neighborhood. I'm using my free speech to say hey I don't want you to sell that thing. People of Juarez are to. The minority that wants to play the game can still get it though if they really want to.

 

[superbatranger]

Half of what people are saying here just astounds me for all the wrong reasons. Most of you make it sound like it would be sooo easy to get rid of the drug cartels. Well, guess what? It's not. Hell, bringing in the military could reduce Mexico into a battleground with innocent lives caught in the middle. Just think about it for a moment. Put yourself in the shoes of someone living in a town that has had 53 people killed in cold blood in the past 3 days. Would you want to see a game being sold in your town that pretty much glorifies that violence? I don't think you would. Juarez is averaging 8 murders a day. 24 women has been killed this month alone. Thousands have been killed ever since the president of Mexico declared that he was going to stop the drug cartels. With that in mind, don't you think Ubisoft should have put more thought into how the people of Juarez would react to this game?

Now, I'm all for freedom of speech, but I believe there are some things that shouldn't be glamorized by a video game. We have to think about how the people of Juarez would feel about this. We have to take into consideration the gravity of the situation Mexico has been going through. Also, all of you saying this game shouldn't be banned...that is not your decision. You have no say in the matter. It's up to the people of Mexico, the people of Juarez to decide what's the right thing to do in this situation. We have to think about what they're going through.

I also don't think we should judge them for whatever decision they make, whether it be banning the game or allowing it to be sold. This isn't such a clear-cut issue of "They're wrong, we're right". But, this is just my opinion. You are all free to think what you want.

 

[fundayz]

Cool. So whatever the majority want, they can kick out? There goes violent video games, movies, porn, books; there goes homosexuality and free religion, swearing and walking around topless on the beach. I mean, if a group sees it as immoral, it's fine to not let the minority have their rights, yeah?

I mean, they can be gay and swear somewhere else. So it's okay? They can release porn and violent video games somewhere else, too.

See? This is not how freedom of speech works. Don't like something? Tough. Don't want to see it? Don't. But you sure as shit can't stop others from looking.

I don't think you understand the fact that not all countries abide by the US constitution....

Besides, you are missing the point of Freedom of Speech. It protects the people DOING the talking, not those LISTENING.

 

[fundayz]

Yes, and they are talking about restricting other people's freedom of speech.

Also, I never said anything about the U.S and the constitution. I'm from Australia and we have freedom of speech (kind of -_-) without the aforementioned.

Would you also defend the WBC for wanting to protest at the burial of a 9 year old girl?
That's also freedom of speech, yet it is completely inappropriate.

If this game was making some deep insights on the current situation in Juarez then go for it, but the fact is that they are trying to make light of a very serious problem.

Freedom of Speech has been distorted from a right protecting the public from oppressive governments to a shield for those who want to say whatever they want, whenever they want, wherever they want regardless of who it offends or affects negatively.

 

[Kae]

Honestly I can see them justifying a ban in Juarez. I mean if a game came out called death to Americans I would want it banned to, atleast in America. If their not pushing for the game to be cancelled I see this as being fine.

Yeah, because not liking something means no one should be able to see it, right?

Did i say no one should see it? No. I'm just saying it's like hitting someone when they are down. The people of the city of Juarez knows that its shit and they don't want to play a game about it just reminding them. If Juarez bans the sale of it in Juarez I still see nothing wrong with it.

I don't think you understand the concept of freedom of speech.

I don't think you understand the gravity of the situation in Juarez, there are people dying every day, you know murder, rape, corruption, intimidation, the situation is not pretty and this game seems to be treating it like a freaking toy, like it's fun and happy and great, how would you like it if I were to make a detailed big budget game about how some guys tortured, raped and murdered you're mother just for shits and giggles?

 

[wammnebu]

but children aren't supposed to be watching/playing this game in the first place!

but they always are

" don't pretend to know what it's like to grow up in Juarez, nor have I yet played the game in question, so I can't say whether this ban is justified. All I do know is that it's rare for a piece of art to have the detrimental effect that these politicians are supposing. Does Faranheit 451 promote book burning?"

sounds to me like the game is hitting a touchy issue for them. the glamorization of crime is only for whom its about as threatening as vampires or zombies.

the point of escapism is to escape real life, if you are being perpetually reminded of your real world situation, its just insomnia

 

[wammnebu]

Honestly I can see them justifying a ban in Juarez. I mean if a game came out called death to Americans I would want it banned to, atleast in America. If their not pushing for the game to be cancelled I see this as being fine.

Yeah, because not liking something means no one should be able to see it, right?

Did i say no one should see it? No. I'm just saying it's like hitting someone when they are down. The people of the city of Juarez knows that its shit and they don't want to play a game about it just reminding them. If Juarez bans the sale of it in Juarez I still see nothing wrong with it.

I don't think you understand the concept of freedom of speech.

I don't think you understand the gravity of the situation in Juarez, there are people dying every day, you know murder, rape, corruption, intimidation, the situation is not pretty and this game seems to be treating it like a freaking toy, like it's fun and happy and great, how would you like it if I were to make a detailed big budget game about how some guys tortured, raped and murdered you're mother just for shits and giggles?

he is right, free speech is the right to not hear something too, so step off your ivory tower where such ideals are unconditionally defended

 

[wammnebu]

See? This is not how freedom of speech works. Don't like something? Tough. Don't want to see it? Don't. But you sure as shit can't stop others from looking.

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/mexico/1917-Constitution.htm

find freedom of speech in there would you darling?

or if you dont want to read it, fine i understand you have people to scorn, and books to be seen holding

Mexican Constitution of 1917 Article 6. The expression of ideas shall not be subject to any judicial or administrative investigation, unless it offends good morals, infringes the rights of others, incites to crime, or disturbs the public order.

^The city of juarez is constitutionally allowed to ban the game on grounds of offending good morals and incitement to crime. so that is exactly how free speech works

 

[arrjay93]

this is rediculous, he may as well be saying ALL violent games should be banned.

It's different, you don't understand there are people dying every day over there and it's a truly horrible situation, and to make it worse the government is not really doing anything to stop this, there are people getting raped and murdered over there, I don't know if you understand but it's really horrible to make a crime game in real city where people are getting killed and raped, and the cartels have practically taken over the place, it's really quite offensive for those of us who live in Mexico.

Horrible situation, people getting raped, murdered, blah blah blah, its terrible, we get it, its a place, grab whatever food, water, and other provisions you do or do not have and gtfo, obviously if the place is so bloody terrible living as a hobo in a safer town is a step up, if they've got the time and connections to beg the government they should be begging for a competent militant force, or maybe the emo citizens could grow a pair and kill off the cartels alongside what small militant force exists?

The game is not going to do shit to change the place, except maybe get a bit more public attention, which if is truly their aim there is better ways to go about it then hassling game developers with or without bad taste. By this logic every third world civilization in the world + peta should burn Mario in effigy for stomping delicious edible turtles, while the rest of the world curses his name for being a shroom addict.

P.S. Citizens of Juarez, either Get out, Fight for your land, or Stop Bitching.
P.P.S. Cartels run on druggies, might as well kill those sobs off too and get the enablers at the root.

It's amazing how complete ignorance makes even the most difficult problems trivial.

Pffft, in the grand scheme of things, we humans are less then ants on a universal scale, everything is trivial. Ignorant be they who still believe human existence is important, granted its still interesting.

Well, yeah, if you look at it on a large enough scale, we're insignificant, I won't argue with that. I personally don't think that does anything to diminish what's happening in places like Juarez, but if you disagree, fair enough, I'm not here to take a stand agaisnt Nihilism. However, if you really think human problems don't matter, then don't weigh into discussions about them acting like you have all the answers. Especially if you don't.