Adobe's Argument With Apple Escalates

[RicoADF]

Neither side wants to give out and this is all going to end badly for the consumer...

Not if the consumer is, say, an Android OS user. Or a Microsoft user. >_>

Or are smart enough not to touch any Apple products because they've always been control freaks and freedom is the last thing you get on Apple products.

 

[Rainforce]

I think adobe in it's monopoly position is no one to talk...this could get interesting.

EDIT: the adcampaign against apple is quite disturbing....damn propaganda

 

[Dan Shive]

People will still buy the appstore games because you need a Wi-Fi connection to get decent flash performance. Furthermore, 3g network plans still cost more than most people are willing to pay. So no, Apple has very little to worry about on that regard.

I concur in the short term, but not in the long term. Wireless is, at least in theory, slated to become the norm given enough time, and Apple is thinking long-term. Their business model is an effort to keep themselves relevant in the long run; whatever their plans are, they go well beyond the here and now.

Of course, every point I'm making is based on speculation made by business people and not the official word of Apple. For all I know, the company's reasoning matches exactly what Steve Jobs is saying with no ulterior motives.

 

[ItsAPaul]

I don't see a problem with Apple wanting to fail, but I guess freedom nuts are willing to sue anyone these days.

 

[Danpascooch]

Apple using closed systems and attempting to exert control over it's customers!?

STOP THE FUCKING PRESSES!!!

I hope Adobe crushes them, nobody should pay almost a thousand dollars to be told they can only use what Apple doesn't decide to block rather than compete with. It's like paying $1000 for the privilege to drop a hammer on your foot.

 

[Danpascooch]

I don't see a problem with Apple wanting to fail, but I guess freedom nuts are willing to sue anyone these days.

Freedom nuts?

It's anti-competitive, and this whole notion that anyone who sues someone for any reason is some nutjob who is sue crazy is getting really tired.

Whether or not Adobe is justified is a debate for another thread, but I don't think anyone with even a speck of intelligence thinks they are "freedom nuts willing to sue anyone"

What the fuck is a "freedom nut" anyway? I like freedom, am I a freedom nut? I imagine "freedom nut" would be a good thing.

 

[Danpascooch]

if they want to show adobe as a bad product they should just put in something better, not remove the compitition, and then try and act like tehy are any different then microsoft

They are different from Microsoft, Microsoft doesn't intentionally block competing software from being used on their systems.

 

[Danpascooch]

I think adobe in it's monopoly position is no one to talk...this could get interesting.

EDIT: the adcampaign against apple is quite disturbing....damn propaganda

It's monopoly position? Adobe has no monopoly, they simply have a better product so they are the most successful, that's how the market is SUPPOSED TO WORK! You're basically saying that Adobe is so good that it is in no position to accuse anyone else, that makes no sense.

Apple on the other hand, instead of trying to make a better product per the rules of the market, is trying to make it's competition irrelevant by blocking it out, which is anti-competitive, and in my opinion (though we have to see what the courts say) illegal.

 

[Danpascooch]

Let's all just stop buying apple stuff, simple as that, kill it off now before it becomes a problem.

I am WAY ahead of you

 

[Mrsoupcup]

This is going to end badly. There will be blood.

Yes there will.

 

[Danpascooch]

Doesn't "cut" kind of imply that any Apple mobile devices had Flash support to begin with?

Yes, Ipad has been shown to fully support flash, but then Apple decided to actually ADD a blocker to it.

If the Ipad simply wasn't capable of handling Flash, Adobe wouldn't be pissed.

 

[qbanknight]

burn ***** burn

 

[Danpascooch]

Apple is in the wrong here, just IMHO...
Not that Flash is perfect, but 98% of people browsing the web DO have it installed!

You mean people have a choice on whether or not to install Flash on their browsers? I thought most browsers came with Flash support already built in.

OT: I side with Adobe on this one, especially considering Apple is trying to push for HTML5 support (I think). I have no idea what HTML5 is supposed to do, though, other than be the PS3 of the Internet.

Flash is not included in Firefox, Internet Explorer, Safari etc. etc. You always have to download it from Adobe's website. Chrome actually includes it as the only one, and that was in the last release.

Are you sure about that? I don't remember needing to download Flash when I got my laptop. Then again, that was almost a year ago, and I don't always trust my memory with small, unimportant things.

It might have been quicker and easier than you think, usually how it goes is you'll try to watch a video, it'll say "you need flash" and provide a link, then you click it and 10 seconds later flash automatically installs. When it's that easy, I can't imagine it would be hard to forget.

 

[Danpascooch]

I think Apples grudge against flash is because:

a)The proposed iPhone/Pod/Pad version of flash was horribly inefficient,and Apple tends to favor efficiency over raw power.

b)Any iPhone/Pod/Pad version of flash would probably be based on the computer version.One hacked version of flash and goodbye iP/P/P

of course I'm probably going to get called a "Apple Zealot" for pointing this out...

For point A, where's your source on this?

For point B, what the hell are you talking about? and why would a "hacked" version of flash be any more detrimental to an Ipad than to a computer.

 

[Danpascooch]

Ugh... Great. I love Adobe [Pretty good with Flash] and I like my mac. I just want them to work together. Apple needs to chill the fuck out. And I thought things were getting better, too. Just got steam and I'm downloading Portal now...

But I stand with Adobe in the end. They are my bestest, geekiest buddies.

The day Apple cooperates with Adobe will be the day they cooperate with Verizon.

Never, the stubborn bastards.

 

[Danpascooch]

This is interesting.

On the one hand, Apple no that with Flash and Adobe products you are basically out of control. Anyone with semi decent skills can make content and as a hardware manufacturer there is nothing you can do about it. Apple won't like that, it's a fair enough stance to take and it means you the manufacturer get the msot direct return on your investment.

On the other hand, Adobe products are pretty much standard equipment across creative industry. If they aren't going to allow it it's quite easy to see this as a cynical ploy to more tightly control devkits and licensing money, whether that's fair or not. The efficiency argument doesn't really wash, Adobe are pretty good about supporting their software.

No, this is wrong, it's not a fair stance.

If a company doesn't like people using a product they didn't make (flash) the free market dictates that the only way to stop that is to make a better product that people want to use more. You can't just say "You can't use this, you have to use ours" because that's anti-competitive, and there are laws against that.

If everyone just blocked eachother out instead of trying to make better products than one another, Technology would never progress.

You may not like Flash, but tons of people use it, and if Apple doesn't like it, they just need to make something better.