Adobe's Argument With Apple Escalates

[Danpascooch]

I don't get why Apple is heralded as the pinnacle of the computing world. Their machines are overpriced, pretty much all software released has to be ported over, and their Unix OS has been hacked faster than Microsoft's two times in a row [http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9072959/Mac_easiest_to_hack_says_10_000_winner]. Anyone saying PCs aren't as good at multimedia stuff hasn't used one for that purpose in a very long time, because they are excellent for that now. Frankly, anything Apple has put out in the past 5 years: computer, iPhone, iPod; has been shown up by their competitors. The only thing Apple has going for it are some patents, and quite honestly, none of them if tried by another company would have been seen as anything more than a fad. It's just that people are all over Steve Job's nuts for some odd reason.

Signed,
Former video editor for an ABC affiliate, and current network administrator.

/rant

I don't get it either, I think it was that people became devoted to it decades past, and now can just see no wrong.

 

[commodorejohn]

While I doubt Adobe's motives are purely in the interest of the freedom-of-content stuff they put in their open letter, it's still about damn time someone stopped kissing Apple's ass and started calling them on their shit.

 

[Danpascooch]

It's painfully obvious who in this thread knows what they are talking about and what's going on, and those who spew anti-apple talking points from the internet they read that one time they were bored.

Flash is terrible, and currently NO phone can run it well, if at all. The sooner we embrace open web standards, the better.

If anyone read Steve Jobs letter regarding why they don't use Flash anymore, you will realize they worked close together in the beginning era when computers were becoming something of a mainstay.

I find Adobe's security shoddy and fucked up. I don't like it really and I can't blame Apple for it. I am using an Iphone, the drawback is that I cannot sign in on my College intranet. For the rest, Apps and games work just fine.

A million times, this.

Now, asking someone to be informed about something may be like asking the rain not to be wet, but at LEAST read one side of the story.
http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/

So what if Flash is bad? It's not Apple's call to just block it out and dictate that people use their apps store instead, I believe in freedom of choice. You say we need to embrace open web standards, and use that as a defense for Apple BLOCKING OUT WEB CONTENT? Have you been hit on the head by a TRUCK or something?

If Apple thinks Flash is shitty, they should come out with something that people see is much better, and use instead, what they are doing instead, is blocking it out in an uncompetitive practice. If flash is as shitty as they claim, then they should have no problem making something better that will become the new industry standard. Even if it's true that it's shitty (it's not) why block it? I don't seem to recall telling Apple that I want them to make my choices for me. The only possible reason to FORCE customers not to use it is because they are afraid it will be used as an alternative to the apps store, it wouldn't make sense to block it because it's bad, what do they care if customers use bad flash if it doesn't hurt their sales?

If I want to use "shitty flash" then who the hell is Apple to tell me I can't!?

 

[HaraDaya]

If I want to use "shitty flash" then who the hell is Apple to tell me I can't!?

This. Exactly how I feel about Apple and their closed systems.

 

[Danpascooch]

To all you Apple fanboys who think Mac is the second coming of Christ: behold, the power hungry behemoth that is your false prophet. At least Microsoft is aware and jokingly accepting of their status as the "evil." As Steve Jobs stands atop the stage, black clothes on, holding a small piece of simple technology to wow the masses. At no point does someone stop and say "My God, HE is Big Brother!" For the Mac 1984 commercial was prophetic. They simply did not know the true course of their prophecy.

To deny Flash is idiotic. Does it have problems? Yes. But does this mean you can dictate how the market will work? No. Because you are Apple, you are the little guy who thinks you're big. You can take all the hipsters you want, 90% of the rest of EVERYONE is going to say "yeah, how bout no" and keep using what is, for better or worse, a standard.

And his argument that Flash isn't good for Apple products because it isn't designed for it, or whatever the hell his initial complaints were, I have one thing to say: iTunes took four reboots and a reinstall to run properly yesterday. And Quicktime sucks. So either you have no problem designing programs not intended for the system upon which they run, or you are content with a small market share. Which means you're a blind fool as well as an arrogant one.

Lol, Quicktime, I'd love to see somebody try to argue that THAT is better than Flash.

For the past view years the sick irony of the 1984 Apple commercial was not lost on me, it really is funny.

 

[Danpascooch]

Let's all just stop buying apple stuff, simple as that, kill it off now before it becomes a problem.

I am WAY ahead of you

Maybe, but I'm almost 19 and I've never purchased an apple product ever.

About equal then

 

[Wicky_42]

While I doubt Adobe's motives are purely in the interest of the freedom-of-content stuff they put in their open letter, it's still about damn time someone stopped kissing Apple's ass and started calling them on their shit.

Damn straight.

ITunes is horrifically invasive and controlling, even compared to Media Player (I mean, at least I can get codecs for media player to play EVERY file type, no matter where it is, rather than forcing every file to be converted into a proprietary type and hidden in archives). Every piece of software either runs as well, better, or has an equivalent on the PC. The interface differences are made moot by Windows 7 (and have always been more flexible on windows, imo). The entire 'Mac is better for graphics' shit was derived from the Windows 3.0 era, when Windows was built for businesses, using DOS whilst Macs used a graphical user interface that was fundamentally better for rendering graphics. Nowadays there's no difference - Mac users are paying out of the nose because they like shiny white plastic.

Gah, it's one thing to want to make your machines as reliable as possible - after all, that's the only thing substantial Macs claim over PCs, though it only really applies to those who can't maintain their machines - but BLOCKING a web standard because it threatens your proprietary business model, whilst going on about freedom and open source? That needs calling out, those two-faced bstrds

 

[Steve the Pocket]

It's painfully obvious who in this thread knows what they are talking about and what's going on agrees with me, and those who spew anti-apple talking points from the internet they read that one time they were bored don't.

Fixed.

Flash is terrible, and currently NO phone can run it well, if at all. The sooner we embrace open web standards, the better.

I'll concede that Flash has problems and that Adobe hasn't gotten the hint about needing to improve its performance and security, but I'm also sick of hearing people talk about "open web standards" as if there was some all-in-one open standard equivalent to Flash. I'd like to see someone make cartoons or games like the ones on Newgrounds with just HTML 5 and SVG.

I think people have forgotten that Flash isn't just for fancy Website interfaces, video embedders, and ads for malware scams.

 

[Billion Backs]

Of course Apple are all for closed systems where they can rip you off at every step.

As if that was never obvious.

 

[AstylahAthrys]

You go, Adobe, you go! I am a long time user of Adobe products and have a very high satisfaction with their stuff. Also, I've never been a huge fan of Apple products. Flash is a standard on the internet and the fact the iPad can't run it is pretty sucky.

And Adobe's ad made me smile, so at least it accomplished something already.

 

[Ewyx]

In response to those who cite the open letter to Adobe...

It's not about crappy security and battery life, it's about Apple taking away the decision to even have it installed, if they view it as a security risk and as something that'll drain battery life, they should give the consumers the ability to install it, but not recommend it.

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

Adobe has my support simply because I love their video editing software. So efficient, so clean and nice. Also I've had a grudge against Apple ever since they started selling iPods to the rich kids and lowering my self esteem.

More OT: I certainly hope this won't lead to a full scale war. I hate propaganda wars. It puts considerable drain on the companies wealth and credibility. Well, whatever happens, I hope Adobe doesn't get nuked.

 

[Silver Patriot]

Hehe yeah. I saw that on the back of the business section of the L.A. Times. That was good.

Let me actually add here that pushing for HTML 5 is good because it does make things more open to users that wish to create. However Apple is essentially trying to block something that has been part of the gold standard of the internet and the motive is to get more people to program for apple and apple applications over adobe.

Now adobe isn't the good guy here either as this is a tongue in cheek fight here because adobe is also a stickler with the actual cost of entry for people to have access to create flash programs and the same applies to video editing, audio editing, web design and so much more that they are just as much a stickler as apple.

This is what confuses me. I thought that XHTML was replacing HTML by combining it and XML. So what is HTML5?

I have just finished a web design corse so I have some knowlege in web design, but we really focused on XHTML and how it was better than HTML.

(Text book: Web Development & Design Foundations with XHTML)

 

[Sikachu]

It's painfully obvious who in this thread knows what they are talking about and what's going on, and those who spew anti-apple talking points from the internet they read that one time they were bored.

Flash is terrible, and currently NO phone can run it well, if at all. The sooner we embrace open web standards, the better.

If anyone read Steve Jobs letter regarding why they don't use Flash anymore, you will realize they worked close together in the beginning era when computers were becoming something of a mainstay.

I find Adobe's security shoddy and fucked up. I don't like it really and I can't blame Apple for it. I am using an Iphone, the drawback is that I cannot sign in on my College intranet. For the rest, Apps and games work just fine.

A million times, this.

Now, asking someone to be informed about something may be like asking the rain not to be wet, but at LEAST read one side of the story.
http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/

It's amazing, Steve Jobs can't open his mouth without lying about his products. "There are more games and entertainment titles available for iPhone, iPod and iPad than for any other platform in the world." It seems his turtleneck has magical powers that prevent him from noticing PCs when they are inconvenient for his message. Reading that article is amazing though because between coming out with legitimate criticisms of Flash and lies about his concern for user experience he somehow manages to convince people like you that not supporting Flash is good for the consumer. Apple could still do everything they are doing for their developers (see his 'long and tedious sixth reason') AND support Flash. But then, as usual, Jobs is doing a good job of selling a lack of functionality as a feature.

 

[Rainforce]

I think adobe in it's monopoly position is no one to talk...this could get interesting.

EDIT: the adcampaign against apple is quite disturbing....damn propaganda

It's monopoly position? Adobe has no monopoly, they simply have a better product so they are the most successful, that's how the market is SUPPOSED TO WORK! You're basically saying that Adobe is so good that it is in no position to accuse anyone else, that makes no sense.

Apple on the other hand, instead of trying to make a better product per the rules of the market, is trying to make it's competition irrelevant by blocking it out, which is anti-competitive, and in my opinion (though we have to see what the courts say) illegal.

whatever you're saying.... perspective I guess XD
"Adobe has no monopoly, they simply have a better product"
but dont let me start the whole monopoly discussion *rolls eyes*

 

[Xanthious]

Just another reason to buy an Android phone over an Iphone. It's going to be interesting to see how well the Android phones will handle flash. I believe the next firmware version (2.2/Froyo) will have flash support. I know I absolutely love my Moto Droid and can't wait for it to get flash support here in a month or two.

 

[Danpascooch]

I think adobe in it's monopoly position is no one to talk...this could get interesting.

EDIT: the adcampaign against apple is quite disturbing....damn propaganda

It's monopoly position? Adobe has no monopoly, they simply have a better product so they are the most successful, that's how the market is SUPPOSED TO WORK! You're basically saying that Adobe is so good that it is in no position to accuse anyone else, that makes no sense.

Apple on the other hand, instead of trying to make a better product per the rules of the market, is trying to make it's competition irrelevant by blocking it out, which is anti-competitive, and in my opinion (though we have to see what the courts say) illegal.

whatever you're saying.... perspective I guess XD
"Adobe has no monopoly, they simply have a better product"
but dont let me start the whole monopoly discussion *rolls eyes*

How about you explain why what I just said was wrong, instead of just rudely shrugging it off, if my position is as crazy as you seem to think, then you should have no problem explaining why it's crazy instead of just being an absolute asshole.

 

[Aeshi]

I love how Adobe goes on about "freedom" when they're trying to force Apple to put flash on the iPhone/Pod/Pad (regardless of whatever problems that might cause)

But enough of that.Let's mindlessly flame Apple for the horrible crime of being a BUSINESS trying to MAKE MONEY