Age of Kotick

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loremazd said:
I wasn't talking to you in any sense of the word, so don't use me to push over your cynical views. "Oh no, WoW might stop making as much money at some point of the future! I bet the company who makes it has no idea that this could possibly happen because they're all idiots!"
Oh, WoW is going to stop making as much money at some point in the future. 3-4 years, to be a bit more precise. Now, I wouldn't mind that, all MMOs have a shelf life, and WoW is no different.
And no, I don't think that ActiBlizz is exclusively employing idiots, it's just that those they do employ are a lot more visible than it's good for the company.
It's just that ActiBlizz seems to be having intellectual problems with supporting new IPs. I wouldn't be suprised(based on their past actions, not my personal "gut" feelings), if ActiBlizz forces the artist formerly known as Blizzard to just make WoW2:This time with MORE MTs.
 

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ucciolord1 said:
But can we kill him?
Well, to quote a reasonably famous guy.

"Yes we can."

But honestly, would YOU like him to rise up again, this time as a zombie who literally wants your brains?
 

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erztez said:
ucciolord1 said:
But can we kill him?
Well, to quote a reasonably famous guy.

"Yes we can."

But honestly, would YOU like him to rise up again, this time as a zombie who literally wants your brains?
That's what chainsaws are for...
 

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Shamus Young said:
Experienced Points: Age of Kotick

"If he wasn't making money they would fire him, therefore he's good at his job."

Read Full Article
I have nothing negative to say about this article, though I do have something to add.

Thoughts like this, the "if we're making money, the boss if good" is what got every country in the Western World knee deep in recession and bank bailouts. Food for thought for Actvision one would think...
 

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Generic_Dave said:
Shamus Young said:
Experienced Points: Age of Kotick

"If he wasn't making money they would fire him, therefore he's good at his job."

Read Full Article
I have nothing negative to say about this article, though I do have something to add.

Thoughts like this, the "if we're making money, the boss if good" is what got every country in the Western World knee deep in recession and bank bailouts. Food for thought for Actvision one would think...
Amen, brother.
Though putting the words "thought" and "Activision" into the same sentence causes an imbalance in the Force.
 
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erztez said:
And that's why we need to stop buying Activision crap. I did, you can't imagine they freedom of bitching about SC2 being cut into three parts when you didn't buy it, and so you're immune to return fire from fanboys:)

Also, I'm GLAD I skipped MW2, watched a mate play and BOY does that thing suck.
And you couldn't PAY me to play Guitar Hero, I still think of a guitar as a piece of wood/plastic with metal strings that make sounds while you pluck them.

Aaaaand I think I just ran out of everything ActiBlizz puts out these days, or am I missing something?

Oh, btw, I cancelled my WoW account a week before the merger came through:p
Ok, thats scary. I did the exact same things. I did not buy a Call of Duty since the first one, i did not buy a Guitar Hero or anything else Activison published in the last 5 years and i even cancelled my WoW sub. a week before Blizzard was bought. And yes i even avoided SC2 for the same reason.

The only thing we need is approx. 15 million clones of us to make a change.
I'm working on the clones, trust me. Unfortunately, all the best cloning experts were snatched up by ActiBlizz to work on CoD:MW27.
Also, got you beat, didn't even buy the first CoD, found a game box with the CD-key still on it when I moved in:p
Well if you want to add me to that you can I stuck to the damn internet petition to boycott MW2.

OT: I agree with a lot about what is being said in the article but since the video game industry is part of a creative one there needs to be more than just greed involved. Eventually the big series will crubmle when people get bored of them but that will take too long. If you really don't agree with Kotick and his business creed just don't buy his games and his little empire will crumble and all will be left is WoW until that crumbles or if Blizzard ever split.
 

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loremazd said:
Also, I am really getting sick of everyone writing in their own explanations for every single thing they don't agree with.

Blizzard is capable of doing things you don't like all on their own. You all ***** and moan about pricing structures and cut games and lan issues.

Lets face it, Blizzard doesn't have little bitches in monkey suites running their company. Mike Morhime is very, very good at his job, and he's very, very good at ensuring his company does well. Blizzard has its own marketing department, and it doesn't twiddle it's thumbs waiting for big bad Kotick to come tell them what to do.

But no, no, -all- change is scary, and any dirivation of past pricing structures or expansion ideas is completely unacceptable and must be the work of some evil douchebag in some penthouse cackling madly and not what they say.

The most rediculous thing is, even without knowing -anything- about the inner working of the company, you simply inject your own cynical reality to every situation, painting the entire industry associated with one guy as blubbering morons who dont know how to make money.
Please allow me to make this clear.
There is NO BLIZZARD.
There is no separate corporate entity named Blizzard.
There is Activision Blizzard.
Mike Morhaime is NOT running the company in the sense that he has a final say in anything, he's reporting to the Activison-Blizzard COO, Thomas Tippl, who, in turn, is reporting to ol' Bob.

Granted, I don't know much about the actual inner workings of ActiBlizz, but I do of other game developer/publisher ones.
And let me tell you, you don't have to be a dick to sell games. It helps, though.

Also, how can you say change is scary and in the same paragraph defend the exploitation(their word, not mine) of the same franchise, year in, year out? Make up your mind, either you like change, or you like "CoD456:Bobby Kotick knows you'll give him more money, no matter how retarded the game is".
I like good games, I buy good games. That's it, and i'm getting tired of being told I can't like them because they're popular. I don't play CoD, i've played guitar hero, and I have loved and still love Blizzard games. They've taken fun new directions in their franchises and look to to be continuing to do so.

Your summary is this: "Hey Mike, looks like you have this finished game, lets chop it up into three parts and sell it." rather than "Hey Bobby, we've decided that we'd like to take a lot of development time into polishing the three different scenarios distinct and polished. We've talked a lot with our marketing team, and we have an expansion strategy that should make this profitable."

At this point I think #1 is less likely than 2, even If I don't dismisses it. As a consumer I got my money's worth and that is completely the bottom line to me. I've made up my mind that I wont let rage over poorly drawn conclusions color my idea of what is and is not a product worthy of my money.

Bobby Kotick makes some bad decisions, but not buying a good product as "the principle of the thing" is very silly in my eyes. Buying a well made blizzard game does nothing but encourage more money being invested in their products.

Blizzard is a company owned by activision blizzard. It makes products, and makes money. Mike Morhime is about as untouchable, as is most of the dev team, as Kotick in the sense that their branch of Activision-Blizzard has made the bulk of the companies profits since the merger, and stockholders know this, and stockholders are Bobbys boss. So the inner working are a bit more unique.
 

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erztez said:
Generic_Dave said:
Shamus Young said:
Experienced Points: Age of Kotick

"If he wasn't making money they would fire him, therefore he's good at his job."

Read Full Article
I have nothing negative to say about this article, though I do have something to add.

Thoughts like this, the "if we're making money, the boss if good" is what got every country in the Western World knee deep in recession and bank bailouts. Food for thought for Actvision one would think...
Amen, brother.
Though putting the words "thought" and "Activision" into the same sentence causes an imbalance in the Force.
The Force is lacking with many these days...imbalances appear to affect few...
 

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There is NO BLIZZARD.
There is no separate corporate entity named Blizzard.
There is Activision Blizzard.
Actually, Blizzard has always been owned by Vivendi Games, which is the company that made the merger with Activision, another publisher, and renamed themselves Activision-Blizzard for popularity purposes, with Vivendi owning a slight bit more of the company stock.

So, to be fair, Blizzard is an entity, like IW is an entity, that answers to its publisher like every other studio ever has done. (For the most part)
 

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Random bit of info: Activision didn't "buy" Blizzard, Viacom, Blizzard's owners, bought Activision and merged the two together.
 

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loremazd said:
I like good games, I buy good games. That's it, and i'm getting tired of being told I can't like them because they're popular. I don't play CoD, i've played guitar hero, and I have loved and still love Blizzard games. They've taken fun new directions in their franchises and look to to be continuing to do so.
I, too, like good games, and buy them. But buying crap like CoD only encourages people like Kotick in their crusade against innovation. I too, have loved Blizzard games, back when there was a Blizzard to love. I still own Diablo 1+2, SC+BW, and CEs of WoW, BC and WotLK. Thing is, what you're saying sounds a LOT like the usual PR crap we get when they mean "we don't want the risk of developing a new IP, and so our last original IP was Starcraft in 1998".

Your summary is this: "Hey Mike, looks like you have this finished game, lets chop it up into three parts and sell it." rather than "Hey Bobby, we've decided that we'd like to take a lot of development time into polishing the three different scenarios distinct and polished. We've talked a lot with our marketing team, and we have an expansion strategy that should make this profitable."
No, my summary is this: "Hey Mike, looks like you are doing well with that SC2 project,but...I see a lot of potential in social networking integration." "Bobby, are you insane? Players don't want to be FORCED to use their real names and link everything they do to publicly available sites like Facebook!" "Well, I'm the boss here, and I say we FORCE THEM TO."

At this point I think #1 is less likely than 2, even If I don't dismisses it. As a consumer I got my money's worth and that is completely the bottom line to me. I've made up my mind that I wont let rage over poorly drawn conclusions color my idea of what is and is not a product worthy of my money.
I don't, but that's beside the point.
As a consumer, I also got my money's worth. Of course, an RTS with 1 campaign, no matter how long, horrible balancing issues in MP, no LAN, buggy voice com and terrible support is worth exactly nothing, so that's how much I paid for my copy.
Bobby Kotick makes some bad decisions, but not buying a good product as "the principle of the thing" is very silly in my eyes. Buying a well made blizzard game does nothing but encourage more money being invested in their products.
Bobby Kotick makes some bad decisions. PERIOD. ActiBlizz occasionally releases a not-so-horrible game not because of him and his ilk, but despite them.
Do I consider not playing a few of those price worth paying for getting rid of Bobby and company eventually? Yes. Yes, I do.
Buying anything from ActiBlizz does nothing but validate Bobby in his crusade against innovation in games, no matter how well it's made.

Blizzard is a company owned by activision blizzard. It makes products, and makes money. Mike Morhime is about as untouchable, as is most of the dev team, as Kotick in the sense that their branch of Activision-Blizzard has made the bulk of the companies profits since the merger, and stockholders know this, and stockholders are Bobbys boss. So the inner working are a bit more unique.
No...Mike is most definitely not untouchable. Unlike Bobby, he didn't buy his way in to the company, and as such, is pretty easy to fire if Kotick or Tippl ever feel like it.
Stockholders DON'T CARE about which part of the company is making them money, the only guy they get to talk to it ol' Bob, and you can make sure he takes all the credit(I would, and so would anyone who ever worked in big business).

Funny thing is, no one's stopping you from buying ActiBlizz products. Just don't be a hypocrite about WHY you're buying them. You're not doing it to support the company, you're doing it to play games you like. There's nothing wrong with that, just don't pretend otherwise.
 

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And getting angry about removing lan? come on, it's not that big of a deal, and i'm sure it'll be back, along with a plethora of old bnet 1.0 features soon.
When you live in Australia without a local server, and have to put up with lag when playing a game with someone IN THE SAME ROOM, it is a big deal.
 

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Delusibeta said:
Random bit of info: Activision didn't "buy" Blizzard, Viacom, Blizzard's owners, bought Activision and merged the two together.
Random bit of correct info. Activision merged with Vivendi, not with Blizzard, the Activision Blizzard trademark is just some nice work of legal fiction.
 

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captain underpants said:
tryx3 said:
And getting angry about removing lan? come on, it's not that big of a deal, and i'm sure it'll be back, along with a plethora of old bnet 1.0 features soon.
When you live in Australia without a local server, and have to put up with lag when playing a game with someone IN THE SAME ROOM, it is a big deal.
Amen brother, it's annoying as hell is what it is.
Also, the fact that they didn't put in the old spawn install option is pissing me off a bit, but I didn't really expect that they'd be smart enough to put THAT in.
 

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erztez said:
loremazd said:
I like good games, I buy good games. That's it, and i'm getting tired of being told I can't like them because they're popular. I don't play CoD, i've played guitar hero, and I have loved and still love Blizzard games. They've taken fun new directions in their franchises and look to to be continuing to do so.
I, too, like good games, and buy them. But buying crap like CoD only encourages people like Kotick in their crusade against innovation. I too, have loved Blizzard games, back when there was a Blizzard to love. I still own Diablo 1+2, SC+BW, and CEs of WoW, BC and WotLK. Thing is, what you're saying sounds a LOT like the usual PR crap we get when they mean "we don't want the risk of developing a new IP, and so our last original IP was Starcraft in 1998".

Your summary is this: "Hey Mike, looks like you have this finished game, lets chop it up into three parts and sell it." rather than "Hey Bobby, we've decided that we'd like to take a lot of development time into polishing the three different scenarios distinct and polished. We've talked a lot with our marketing team, and we have an expansion strategy that should make this profitable."
No, my summary is this: "Hey Mike, looks like you are doing well with that SC2 project,but...I see a lot of potential in social networking integration." "Bobby, are you insane? Players don't want to be FORCED to use their real names and link everything they do to publicly available sites like Facebook!" "Well, I'm the boss here, and I say we FORCE THEM TO."

At this point I think #1 is less likely than 2, even If I don't dismisses it. As a consumer I got my money's worth and that is completely the bottom line to me. I've made up my mind that I wont let rage over poorly drawn conclusions color my idea of what is and is not a product worthy of my money.
I don't, but that's beside the point.
As a consumer, I also got my money's worth. Of course, an RTS with 1 campaign, no matter how long, horrible balancing issues in MP, no LAN, buggy voice com and terrible support is worth exactly nothing, so that's how much I paid for my copy.
Bobby Kotick makes some bad decisions, but not buying a good product as "the principle of the thing" is very silly in my eyes. Buying a well made blizzard game does nothing but encourage more money being invested in their products.
Bobby Kotick makes some bad decisions. PERIOD. ActiBlizz occasionally releases a not-so-horrible game not because of him and his ilk, but despite them.
Do I consider not playing a few of those price worth paying for getting rid of Bobby and company eventually? Yes. Yes, I do.
Buying anything from ActiBlizz does nothing but validate Bobby in his crusade against innovation in games, no matter how well it's made.

Blizzard is a company owned by activision blizzard. It makes products, and makes money. Mike Morhime is about as untouchable, as is most of the dev team, as Kotick in the sense that their branch of Activision-Blizzard has made the bulk of the companies profits since the merger, and stockholders know this, and stockholders are Bobbys boss. So the inner working are a bit more unique.
No...Mike is most definitely not untouchable. Unlike Bobby, he didn't buy his way in to the company, and as such, is pretty easy to fire if Kotick or Tippl ever feel like it.
Stockholders DON'T CARE about which part of the company is making them money, the only guy they get to talk to it ol' Bob, and you can make sure he takes all the credit(I would, and so would anyone who ever worked in big business).

Funny thing is, no one's stopping you from buying ActiBlizz products. Just don't be a hypocrite about WHY you're buying them. You're not doing it to support the company, you're doing it to play games you like. There's nothing wrong with that, just don't pretend otherwise.
I like Blizzard, I enjoy the games they make, and I support them by buying their games. Stop putting me into your fantasy. Also, stockholder meetings are public, and Activision blizzard quarterly reports are both recorded for public record, available for download, and not only has Mike been a speaker in every single one, Bobby Kotick has never spoken in one.

It -has- been an age since I bought a straight up activision game because there hasn't been one i've been interested in.
 

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loremazd said:
I like Blizzard, I enjoy the games they make, and I support them by buying their games. Stop putting me into your fantasy. Also, stockholder meetings are public, and Activision blizzard quarterly reports are both recorded for public record, available for download, and not only has Mike been a speaker in every single one, Bobby Kotick has never spoken in one.

It -has- been an age since I bought a straight up activision game because there hasn't been one i've been interested in.
You know, I too used to like Blizzard games...until shit such as this.

http://www.publicknowledge.org/node/3171

When I pay 60 bucks for a game, I expect to own said game.
And so Blizzard joins Activision firmly on the side of the dicks.