Aha! Antagonists you hate!

[Vault101]

And, no offence intended, but if you have to use fan wank to try and justify the story, it's probably just a bad story. I feel they artificially and ham handedly raised the stakes to try and make a silly appeal to emotion, which seems to have worked. I actually liked the story right up until tuchunka. I could have overlooked the rest, but then it went all down hill for me.

huh well I will admit that I didn't know that

for whatever reason cerberuses power/presance wasnt really a surprise to me since I jsut figured the were probably like that

but yeah...

 

[War Penguin]

would not shut up about them. I felt like they were the obvious bad guy that you had to take on.

Another thing that bugged me about the Legion was how the conflict seemed to be more about the Legion vs the NCR, rather than Legion vs House vs NCR. Don't get me wrong, I felt bad for killing him when I helped the different factions, but House felt like a distraction if you didn't follow his quest line. Again, if it was more about House and the NCR, the game would have been much more interesting. But the Legion was too much of a distraction with too much emphasis put on them that they sort of ruined that conflict. Like I said, they were the big bad guy you had to face and that choosing any other option was a good option compared to them. If it was just House and NCR [small](and independent if the developers *ahem* played their cards right)[/small], then your choices would feel like there was a major impact and moral dilemma.

I think mabye the desicion to kill mr house (for whoever) may come a little early

but I always figured it was "legion vs NCR" and everyone else was kind of getting caught in the crossfire...but yeah

I still felt like there was major impact and moral dilemmas from my choiced..

Hm... Well...

I liked the NCR quests because you had a good share of evil options, making NCR an evil choice if you wished.

I liked the House quest line because I felt certain implications that House was going mad, making quite ambiguous whether or not he was a good option.

I liked Yes Man because... well, all of the above.

But the Legion... They felt way too out of place. Everything you did for the Legion took away karma, where as things you'll do in the other quest lines can give you karma if you wished.

 

[Darkmantle]

And, no offence intended, but if you have to use fan wank to try and justify the story, it's probably just a bad story. I feel they artificially and ham handedly raised the stakes to try and make a silly appeal to emotion, which seems to have worked. I actually liked the story right up until tuchunka. I could have overlooked the rest, but then it went all down hill for me.

huh well I will admit that I didn't know that

for whatever reason cerberuses power/presance wasnt really a surprise to me since I jsut figured the were probably like that

but yeah...

I know, I felt like that too, but they pulled off just one too many impossible capers and it soured my whole experience past that. Cerberus and the Reapers are now my most hated antagonists because of it too. Power creep in general just grates on me.

 

[Byere]

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For me, it's pretty much ANYONE who tries to enforce slavery. I don't care if it's real life or in a game, the one thing that seriously makes my blood boil like no other time is slavers. In the case of Fallout and other games, the moment I see anything to do with slavery, I break out whatever gun/weapon I'm most comfortable with and turn those f*ckers into mulch. I refuse to do any quest that involves/ends in me forcing slavery unto others and slaughter ANYONE who tries to give me such a quest.

 

[Scarim Coral]

Nena Trinity from Gundam 00

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So she decided to shoot those people at the wedding just on a whim? Sure I can let it go if the reason was evil or had a proper reason to killed them but to do it just because she was pissed that she had work to do and those people were having fun? Just to be clear I orginally thought the Trinity team as a anti-hero/ evil team but not pure evil until that scene.
I think I was more upset that event pretty much ruin that other girl character life (I forgot her name).
All I can say I didn't care what happen to Nena brothers later on and I think she should had suffer more in her demise (a slow painful death and explain why she was going to get killed by referring back to that wedding).

 

[FalloutJack]

Hmmm... Wow, there's alot of Fallout discussion going on. Kinda' cool. Time I put in another entry.

Spoiler: In which Jack rants on about Giant Space Fleas From Nowhere.

Not to be confused with that wonderful giant space monster from nowhere, Lavos, whom we rather like for the most part. No no no... This is a Final Fantasy rant.

There are two ineffectual villains that stick out in my mind, the uhhh...final bosses of Final Fantasy 4 and 8. There is probably some issue with Necron in FF9, but I sort of let him go in the sense of "Oh crap, Kuja woke up an Eldritch Abomination lord of death!", which for me keeps in with the theme of the game at least. So...

Zemus/Zeromus - What was ever the point of this villain? The game itself was sort of meh for me as is, and I didn't like the final dungeon at all, but then we have out of nowhere...this old guy that wasn't in the story before, and then I'm suppose to feel threatened by him when he goes from old man to stupidly-named monster of hate? For what reason was this thing there? To my knowledge, other previous game bosses hadn't gone out of nowhere. The writers dropped the ball with this one. Ah, but this is just the icing on the cake. Time for me to reprise an FF8 rant.

Ulti-Frigging-Mecia - Putting aside for the moment that the game mechanics are terrible, the weapons are shit, and the characters are ALL unlikeable...lemme explain why this is one of the worst game antagonists around. You start off with the fact that this ASS comes out of nowhere, GSFFN routine, because it's some sorceress from the future. The backstory of Ultimecia is that she did all of this shit because it was prophesized that SeeD (That's YOUR organization.) will destroy her, despite the fact that she lives in a dark future where they're all dead. The LOGIC behind this is astounding. Because they're all dead in her time period, this must have something to do with the past, SO let's go mess with the past and time travel and compress time so nothing Timey-Wimey can hap- OOPS! The compression of time into one event is what caused her defeat. DOOFUS! So, the ENTIRE PLOT (which is a time loop of her doing) made sure that she essentially killed herself instead of sitting on her ass. Brilliant. And then, there's just the fact that her entire boss battle is stupid. Sorceress or not, there's no way that a frail aging woman can have THAT MUCH stamina in the stand-up fight or recover much while her pet is in play, or gain much by merging with said pet when it AND her should be exhausted at once, or be alive and somehow MORE POWERFUL after exploding. No, sorry, uh-uh, bullshit.

Because, when you get down to it, all the popular FF-villains earned their shit! Chaos was Garland flung back into the Temple of Fiends of the past to become the monster of a closed time loop, thus Chaos. Exodus (X-Death) was originally part of a greater evil that was trying to unleash itself, the story unfolding to reveal that shit. Kefka was a monstrous nihilistic bastard keen on delusions of godhood by taking the power of ancient beings. Sephiroth was basically part of an alien organism trying to devour the planet. SIN (because Yu Yevon is NOT the real boss) was created via false religion and a rather short-sighted bid for power and immortality.

 

[DanielBrown]

Dr. Nefarious and Tachyon(sp?) from the Ratchet & Clank series. Chairman Drek was the only good antagonist. The others were too much over the top.

 

[Padwolf]

Cersei Lannister, never before have I wanted to reach into a book and punch someone in the face. She is a *****. I hope she gets what is coming to her.

 

[Sean Hollyman]

Kai Leng from Mass Effect 3. Mostly because he

Spoiler

Killed Thane.

I was so glad when I did the Renegade Interrupt though >

He is a shame to Cyborg Ninjas errywhere.

 

[Weresquirrel]

Well, there's a two-tiered response to this. In terms of antagonist hate there are two ways to hate them:

Poorly designed antagonists - Hate them not because they are dastardly or because the epitomise the lowest actions of humanity, but because they're just bland, or stupid, or arrogant. In this category my vote goes to:

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FF7's Sephiroth. He just a complete non-entity. Swaggering about with nihilism dripping out of every pore. That in itself isn't so bad as there are so many poor excuses for antagonists. He gets a special mention because despite being a terrible villain, he's often hailed as the pinnacle of villainy. So many times when people discuss their favourite villains, he always makes an appearance. And I honestly cannot fathom why. Purely based on his design seems to be the big reason, but he's a platinum haired androgene with a sword bigger than him in a world almost exclusively populated by platinum haired androgenes with swords too big for them.

The other way is the compelling villain. The one who's actions make you hate them and want to bring them down. Despite its lightness of tone, the Phoenix Wright series managed quite a few of these absolute bastards. But I gotta say my favourite out of the bunch was:

Spoiler

Dahlia Hawthorne. My god I wanted to end her so badly. A manipulator of the highest calibre, a monster with a pretty pink umbrella, and utterly no remorse. I honestly cannot remember wanting to bring about a villain's downfall more than hers.

There are a lot of good villains out there though, and it is possible I've forgotten some. The Joker gets an honourable mention for some of his incarnations (Heath Ledger and Mark Hamill are particular highlights for me).

 

[Master-Jedi]

I cannot overestimate how much I detest Azula.

Mind you, I didn't hate her to the point that I wanted her out of the show. Really, the amount of loathing I have for her is a testament to how well she's written.

But good god, was she an awful human being.

I think the worst part is that she actually accomplishes most of the stuff she does to screw people over. And the fact that she doesn't die in the final episode. I didn't loath her enough to want her gone before then, but I defiantly wanted zuko to electrocute her when he had the chance.

Speaking of people I wanted to die in the finale, Gaius Frakking Baltar. Because he got 10 billion people killed for sex. Then later he got thousands of people killed because he's a moron. It's OK though, he saved one person!

 

[WaysideMaze]

but killing mr house....damn that made me feel awful....and whatever justification/reason you gave felt really really hollow

Wasn't hollow for me. I killed him in the name of Caesar!

Yeah, I backed the Legion on my first playthrough. Why? Because they interested me and I wanted to roleplay a murdering psychopath.

Do I honestly believe they are the best hope for the Mojave? Gods no. But it was fun to back them.

yeah, I had to laugh when ceasar said the NCR was "corrupt"

They are. And the Legion isn't.

Like I said, the Legion might be evil and sadistic, but not corrupt. Everyone knows their place, and at least Caesar is generally honest with his people. [Note;his people, not others. His lies to the Khans for example don't count]

The NCR might have good intentions, but it does have corrupt elements.

Also, no, Veronica doesn't die when the brotherhood kill that group of followers.

OT: well I'm playing Skyrim again atm so the Thalmor. Seriously, fuck the Thalmor. When I try to roleplay a Thalmor loyalist the game just makes it so damn hard. Every Thalmor in the game is an arrogant twat that needs to be wiped out.

Also, obligatory Joffrey Baratheon mention.

 

[Arsen]

The guy on the immoral side.

The one who is trying to do things for the betterment of his people...failing to realize that the particular demographic he is supporting, culturally, is not meant to win.

 

[Arsen]

Well, there's a two-tiered response to this. In terms of antagonist hate there are two ways to hate them:

Poorly designed antagonists - Hate them not because they are dastardly or because the epitomise the lowest actions of humanity, but because they're just bland, or stupid, or arrogant. In this category my vote goes to:

Spoiler

FF7's Sephiroth. He just a complete non-entity. Swaggering about with nihilism dripping out of every pore. That in itself isn't so bad as there are so many poor excuses for antagonists. He gets a special mention because despite being a terrible villain, he's often hailed as the pinnacle of villainy. So many times when people discuss their favourite villains, he always makes an appearance. And I honestly cannot fathom why. Purely based on his design seems to be the big reason, but he's a platinum haired androgene with a sword bigger than him in a world almost exclusively populated by platinum haired androgenes with swords too big for them.

The other way is the compelling villain. The one who's actions make you hate them and want to bring them down. Despite its lightness of tone, the Phoenix Wright series managed quite a few of these absolute bastards. But I gotta say my favourite out of the bunch was:

Spoiler

Dahlia Hawthorne. My god I wanted to end her so badly. A manipulator of the highest calibre, a monster with a pretty pink umbrella, and utterly no remorse. I honestly cannot remember wanting to bring about a villain's downfall more than hers.

There are a lot of good villains out there though, and it is possible I've forgotten some. The Joker gets an honourable mention for some of his incarnations (Heath Ledger and Mark Hamill are particular highlights for me).

I think when it comes to Sephiroth as a character, you missed the point entirely.

He's based off of the Jewish Kabbalah, name wise. Therein lies the issue. He saw himself as a god of mankind, descended from a chosen legacy of people, and in essence, wants to end mankind by absorbing all the souls, then going on to another planet and time, then doing the same thing.

He's a deeper villain than what most people give him credit for. Kefka was just an insane clown. Sephiroth had depth to his intentions and backstory.

 

[Arsen]

And for the record, Alliser Thorne and some of the assholes on the Nights Watch are infinitely worse than Joffrey. It's the people who don't obey their leaders who anger me. The idiotic common folk who refuse to bow down to those who have superior talents than themselves.

Joffrey was an inbred kid with no discipline. Hence why he is that way. You can't really blame him. Same with Viserys...who is still one of my favorite characters from the first book.

 

[FluffyWelshCake]

The Professor from The Witcher, that guy was stupidly annoying and schizophrenic in character. He takes the piss and chews out HIS BOSS, THE MEGA POWERFUL SORCERER/ALCHEMIST. And there's that infuriating part where he uses bullshit amateur psychology to try and make Geralt feel bad about himself, all his points were actually moot considering Geralt's character. And the prick killed Leo.

 

[Robert632]

Anyone seen Game of Thrones? Yeah. You know who I mean.

...Littlefinger?

O.T: I'm just going to second Griffeth. Course, He's also in a series where one of the more sympathetic villains kidnapped and forcibly(Albeit with misguided intentions) transformed/murdered a bunch of children, so him being pretty unsympathetic at this point is kind of a given.

 

[snappydog]

yeah, I had to laugh when ceasar said the NCR was "corrupt"

and the Romans kept slaves, but the Legion's interpretation of slavery is less "semi-permanent servants" and more in line with that of the 1800s American South.
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how were the roman slaves different?

anyway..they seem more like spartans than romans (though I dont know anything about that kind of thing)

Roman slaves were, as Drow said, semi-permanent; they were largely Greeks who could earn their freedom for various reasons and weren't treated too atrociously for the most part. Spartan slaves were considered less than human, and the training for young boys to become 'equal men' actually involved the mass slaughter of helots (the slaves). Apparently there were a few incidents where the Spartans claimed to be rewarding the best slaves, and took the most independent and strong ones off for what they said was a party. They never came back...
Anyway, I haven't played NV for a very long time, so I forget what the Legion are like, but hope that helps.

EDIT: To add an OT bit, most of the Borgias from ACII are genuinely hateful, but for the right reasons I think. That is, I hate them because they're well-written to be terrible people, not because they're badly characterised or anything.

 

[not_you]

Kind of a random thing here...
But, one of the main antagonists I didn't like was Galbatorix from the Inheritance Cycle...
I mean, think about it, if he wasn't so damn lazy to get off his ass and chase down Eragon from the beginning, it would've saved his empire and solved everything...
but NOOOOOO

It was just one bad idea after another... I mean, he sends out his assassins (Ra'Zac) and they fail...
Sends out his best spellcaster...
he fails...

Sends out an army of thugs...
They fail...

Sends out his protoge...
He fails (under his own will and reasoning)

Sends out his protoge again...
Fails on his own occord...

Sends out another few armies...
They fail...

This isn't so much about me hating the guy (in retrospect) but, stupidity NEEDS to be an issue antagonists can't have... Laziness too... Just because you can't be bothered to get off your ass to solve a problem, you don't deserve to be the head of the anti-good patrol...

*sigh*


An antagonist people could probably more noticeably identify whom I also hate is Zeus... (As portrayed in the God of War series)
stupid lightning-zappy thing... fight like a man!

 

[ScrabbitRabbit]

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I completely agree about Sephiroth. It's always annoyed me how much focus he gets; Hojo and Jenova were the real villains of that game and they were both FAR more interesting than Sephiroth in their own ways.