I've already pre-ordered it. Personally don't give a frak if it "beats" WoW. If it's a good game, that's all I care about.
Aion Shooting For 2nd Place To WoW
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I fail to see how the two are related. They are entirely different markets. If your point is true, then no one in Korea is playing anything other than Starcraft. The other assumption you are making is that Starcraft II will live up to its predecessor enough to have the entire Starcraft-playing demographic to switch over to the sequel. Clearly, if Aion is doing well in Asia (Asia including countries other than Korea), it is doing well. We'll see how well it continues to do, but I don't believe that Starcraft II is going to be a force that will have any bearing on the sales of an MMOG.hansari said:
On topic, second place is not bad, but somehow I don't see this happening. This game lacks the hype, it lacks the history and it lacks the accessibility. Take WAR for example. The Warhammer universe is backing that game up with fans and people interested in the mythos, its sales figures would reflect its pre-existing fan-base. Its fan-base provides hype, creating more hype in non-fans and so on. But accessibility is the main thing that detracts from the "second place" games. WoW doesn't require a stellar computer to play. Hell, it doesn't even really require a good computer. Its accessible to almost anyone and lets people into this big epic world full of people without so much as a second glance at your system requirements.
Time spent gaming, is time spent gaming. Regardless of the genre, whether it be RTS or FPS. When balancing your entertainment needs with the rest of your life, there is gonna be "give and take".Fightgarr said:
The success of Starcraft 2 might be a big assumption, but this is Blizzard we are talking about... and using your Warhammer example, there is a huge fan following for this game.
But even if Starcraft 2 fails, it still (just like every new game release) carries the threat of drawing members of another games audience. Even if it is temporary, it still has the potential to hurt the developers behind MMO's. After all, many of these MMO's based in Asia use a different payment system that is dependent not on a monthly subscription, but rather hours played.
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Now being serious, the idea that these guys are gonna reach 2nd place sounds like an even more reckless boast then what Mark Jacobs said about Warhammer.
Look at this list.
http://gigaom.com/2009/02/01/top-10-money-making-mmos-2008/
Their current profits might just get them into the top ten... (barely)
Do people honestly think WAR is that bad? The engine is kind of shitty and the questing sucks but PQs, RvR Lakes and Scenarios have kept me very interested thus far. I'm only level 16 but I'm PvPing 90% of the time and having a lot of fun doing it. Does PvP get old after a while? Why do people think WAR is so bad?
warhammer online was full of glitches, FULL, when i bought it on launch day. i played to the start of november, but the quests wasnt very fun, you would most likely come 3-4 lvls underneath your average mob when you switched zones. everything else was really good, but the glitches were oh gawd awful. screen turned low quality whenever you went into the capital, when you walked around you could suddenly be walking in the air or walking into the ground (your legs dissapeared into the ground).
i had so high expectations for this game, i was so excited for it for 1.5 year, and then EA shoots out their ordinary piece of shit.
i had so high expectations for this game, i was so excited for it for 1.5 year, and then EA shoots out their ordinary piece of shit.
Now to be honest, when I first heard about Aion, I'll admit, I didn't think much of it either. I think I ended up saying something about like that as well. However, over the past couple of weeks, I've started to warm up to it, and I"m beginning to see the potential for it.sharks9 said:
To begin, the Warhammer comparisons are little more than moot points, after all it had a WoW expansion to compete with. You also have to consider the fact that WoW and WAR are too terribly similar in terms of setting [the original Warcraft was a renamed WarHammer game after Blizzard lost the rights to it]. This go around Aion only has the BlizzCon hype to contend with, and even then, Blizzard won't be throwing a new expansion at us for at least a year. This is probably the best time to launch, as WoW players are getting bored with the current content, and won't have alot of new content for at least a couple pay periods. Also, it isn't about orcs and humans trying to annihilate each other all over again either.
In essence, this is the second reason I think it could stand a chance. WoW is a five year old game. Certain places in WoW (Northrend in particular) look fantastic, but most of WoW is starting to show it's age. I would anticipate that Blizzard would try to change that in an expansion, but as I said before, that won't be for a year or more. Most people (indeed most gamers) aren't going to wait for Blizzard to play catch up, they'll just jump ship to Aion for awhile and enjoy the scenery. If nothing else, this gives Aion a chance to hook some of WoW's primary audience before it can fire a shot back.ActionDan said:
But then there is the argument that a new WoW expansion will just drag everyone back. That could be true, but then Aion isn't the only new contender on the block. With Dungeons and Dragons Online going with it's free-to-play system, and StarWars: the Old Republic shooting for Sept/Oct of next year, and Final Fantasy 14 threatening to swoop in and reinvent the entire genre all together, WoW's got a lot stiffer competition mounting up this go around.
I would not be surprised if we have just passed WoW's ultimate peak. That's not to say it will suddenly die out, but just as WoW was in someways the successor to the first 800 pound gorilla of the MMO world Everquest, I believe one of the upcoming games this year will be WoW's sucessor as well.
2nd? They will be lucky to be 10th because Blizzard currently holds the top 20 slots if you did it by battlegroups/reigions. You could split Blizzard's MMO based on different regions it would still beat the competition in each one.
I seriously think it has a chance, but I doubt it will beat WoW in the western market. Even if it doesn't make it in the western market, it does have a solid foundation in Aisa. I guess they could brag about that.
China.SirSchmoopy said:
HOHOHO.
60k from WoW vs 3,5mln from Aion... I think you tried to prove WoW's superiority too hard, my good sir.
Heavens no. It not only has community as crappy as WoW, it also is a LOT weaker than Champions Online coming out in 2 weeks.Jbird said:
I doubt anyone who has seen CO and likes superheroes is still playing CoH/V. That's like playing EQ after EQ2 came out, or playing Warcraft 2/Diablo on Battle Net while Warcraft 3/Diablo 2 came out.
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war had some bad misteps out of the gate such as a large number of bugs that still needed to be fixed, not enough high lvl stuff, and a wow expansion coming out just a few months after. War has become alot more fun with a few big patches that fixed alot of issues with the game but the biggest one at the moment is player pop, since its mostly based around pvp or rvr if you will, it depends on a large player pop at each tier of the game but unfortinatly it doesnt have thoes to make lvling anything but a chore at the moment, at least in my experiance, if it was most based around pve then it could cope but its pve gets pretty boring after a certain point.
Aion has the benefit of having already been out in asia for like a year so they have been able to kill bugs and add more content in a market that is more forgiving of thoes sorts of things. I think in all likely hood aion will take the number two spot and hold onto it for awhile, I mean it sounds like its already got more then 3 million subscribers http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/985/985368p1.html and its not even out in the west yet
Aion has the benefit of having already been out in asia for like a year so they have been able to kill bugs and add more content in a market that is more forgiving of thoes sorts of things. I think in all likely hood aion will take the number two spot and hold onto it for awhile, I mean it sounds like its already got more then 3 million subscribers http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/985/985368p1.html and its not even out in the west yet
Abedeus said:
Get real fanboy. The Chinese government is what holds back WoW from being popular in China and honestly Asian MMOs are not the same deal when it comes to other markets. Nobody will be talking about Aion in 6 months, they will be talking about the next WoW killer.
Too bad Aion isn't a WoW killer, fanboy.SirSchmoopy said:
It's a PvP-focused game, as opposed to WoW's PvE focus.
You said WoW beats the competition in every region. It doesn't, so next time, be more precise or less rage next time.
edit: Forgot, Aion is also bigger in Korea, where WoW exists too.