Alien 5 Delayed Indefinitely Due to Prometheus 2

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i know someone who worked on prometheus and apparently ridley scott gets these great ideas and just runs with it changing everything to fit despite what anyone else says or thinks.

honestly shows what great actors they were in the movie.. saying through gritted teeth in the promo interviews how good the movie was
 

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Gordon_4 said:
Kajin said:
Gordon_4 said:
Slapping on a sight and a couple of aiming modules does nothing but ruin the look of a timeless sci-fi weapon that was designed by people who knew what they were doing.
I don't see how that "ruins" a gun.
The additions do not share the visual aesthetic of the gun and as such look out of place. They needed a bit of work to make them look like they belong there. Then again, maybe it's a bad shot/angle - but I doubt it.
The movie wasn't even being made when it got cancelled. There's no way that was anything more than a prototype. Even if it wasn't it's pretty hard to wreak the visual aesthetic of a rifle just by adding one or two bells and whistles. Slap whatever you need onto it and make sure it makes the right sound effects and you're golden.
 

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Gordon_4 said:
Kajin said:
Gordon_4 said:
Slapping on a sight and a couple of aiming modules does nothing but ruin the look of a timeless sci-fi weapon that was designed by people who knew what they were doing.
I don't see how that "ruins" a gun.
The additions do not share the visual aesthetic of the gun and as such look out of place. They needed a bit of work to make them look like they belong there. Then again, maybe it's a bad shot/angle - but I doubt it.
Exactly! Adding *current* hardware to a futuristic concept ("Ten millimeter explosive-tip caseless") makes no sense. VFC-PEQ-15 laser aiming module, (incorrectly mounted) holographic sight, Picatinny rails, those are all current tech.
 

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I actually think Blomkamp's style of political film-making is really well suited for the Alien universe. I mean, one of the main themes is how unrestrained corporate greed and power can ruin lives and potentially kill people all in the name of making a buck. The secondary main antagonist of the franchise is a huge, faceless, souless corporate juggernaut with enough political clout to get the Colonial Marines deployed at its whim, along with having its own private army for when it needs to do its own dirty work. Blomkamp would have a freaking field day with that.
That's the problem, though. He would have a field day with it. The issue is that the one thing you need to make a great horror movie is the one thing Blomkamp doesn't have: subtlety.

I mean, sure, Alien had themes about nihilism and corporate greed, but it didn't beat you over the head with it. It's not a coincidence that the face of sociopathic corporate greed was a computer and a robot, beings who are ruled by logic, and who admire the Alien for its purity. The film was obviously drawing a comparison between the monster and the company. But you never SEE the company, and I feel like that's important. The film made you think.

Meanwhile the Alien itself is scary, sure. But there's only one in the movie, and the audience knows that, even if they somehow kill, there are hundreds more. And there's another species of intelligent life out there, because of the Space Jockey. The original script even had a pyramid built in their honor, suggesting some kind of religious connection to the Alien. All of these things suggest that there are forces much stronger then humanity in the universe. The fact that the film is set in the quiet emptiness of space hilights how small and insignificant humanity is. Meanwhile the face of humanity is an evil corporation that's willing to sacrifice human life, and that could easily silence the survivors if it wanted to.

Heck, there's even a subplot about class warfare in the movie. The white collar scientists make more money and look down on the blue collar workers. Meanwhile, the blue collar engineers lie and find ways to get around doing what the others want. Neither side is really right or wrong. If blomkamp were directing the film then the white collar guys would be torturing orphans while the blue collar workers get fed to alligators. The corporation would be as evil as it is inept, with the words "corporations are bad" stamped on their jackets. The Aliens would turn out to be disenfranchised workers fighting for better wage benefits.

I mean, this is the guy who had the word "rich" tattooed on his villains neck, while the wealthy citizens spoke French (because he's Bourgeoisie). Subtlety is not his strong suit. I'm scared to see what he would do to Alien.
 

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I say this is a good thing?

I will be hard to impressed if Alien 5 will be good even with the modern technology used to make it as I think the franchise should be left alone like Terminator.
 

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slo said:
I like Prometheus and I'll probably like Prometheus 2, as long as it as good as the first one.
I'm still kind of puzzled about the negative reaction to Prometheus, about this great big howl: "WHY DID THEY TOOK OFF THEIR HELMETS? THEY'RE IDIOTS!" I thought this was a smart move from the very start. Their robot said it was okay. An alien planet is unlikely to have microorganisms specifically tailored for the human body anyways.
Well, unless the aliens there had created humanity or something. Of course, it's not nearly as stupid as more or less everything else anyone did in that film, though.

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Meanwhile the Alien itself is scary, sure. But there's only one in the movie, and the audience knows that, even if they somehow kill, there are hundreds more. And there's another species of intelligent life out there, because of the Space Jockey. The original script even had a pyramid built in their honor, suggesting some kind of religious connection to the Alien. All of these things suggest that there are forces much stronger then humanity in the universe. The fact that the film is set in the quiet emptiness of space hilights how small and insignificant humanity is. Meanwhile the face of humanity is an evil corporation that's willing to sacrifice human life, and that could easily silence the survivors if it wanted to.
TBH, I don't think that made it scary at all. The Alien itself didn't seem particularly frightening to me, excepting that the people it was hunting had no idea what they were doing, except for the company plant.
 

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Clive Howlitzer said:
The only Alien film I really liked was the first one anyway and you know something like that isn't getting made again. The idiot popcorn munchers would get bored.
Well, Aliens isn't exactly fast to the trigger either, I think it's nearly an hour before a shot is fired and the gun battles aren't exactly balls to the wall over the top either; they're very frantic.
 

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God, those rails are ugly. It annoys me when they add current fads to an existing future setting. Like those ACUs in Genisys, who the fuck designed those after the Judgement day? Imagine Abrams adding a taclight to Han's blaster.
 

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fix-the-spade said:
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The idea of retconning 3 and Resurrection out of existence seemed horribly arrogant anyway. And thankfully Blomkamp's marshmellow man sized social commentary won't be yet another black mark against this franchise.
At this point, who cares, sling continuity out the airlock and let's hope one movie or the other will turn out to be good.

I'd take a good movie in exchange for continuity chopping any day.
Because you accept your mistakes and learn from them, you don't ignore them and pretend they didn't happen. Had this Blomkamp movie been made and had it sucked, what would've stopped them from saying 'Oh that movie wasn't canon either, but this new movie will be good, honestly.'

The sad fact is that Hicks died. Was it a mistake? Probably. But then it was a mistake to continue this franchise past the second movie. You don't just decide to bring him back to life and assume the audience will turn a blind eye because Alien 3 wasn't well received. As an artist, if you make shit, you stand by it.
 

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slo said:
Still no reason for that. Unless you know beforehand what they only discover much later.
Running around an unknown alien planet, though, no way to tell what you might run into. And again, there was contact with Earth, and they believed that the aliens had created at least some life there. Even if you're just expecting/hoping something like an abandoned alien biological science lab, that's not something to be taken lightly.

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Well, you are free to think the way you do, but I don't remember anything especially stupid, considering what is there to consider.
Most obvious thing to me is, before the first two people (stupidly) get themselves killed, they are worried about some lifeform running around the big alien building. At which the captain of the ship, and the entire crew go to build. Nobody is on watch, which is a terrible idea in general, but especially when two people are in peril.

Also, if the super rich old guy thinks his personal safety is at risk enough to have one armed (and pretty useless) minder follow him to meet the alien, why does he not have a platoon of ex-Special Forces mercenaries, or synthetics or something? Not like he's short of cash, and this was his last shot at not dying.
 

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The Martian was good, yet Prometheus was a film I feel highly bipolar about. The first half was actually fairly good, while the second half was mind-blowingly bad and ridiculous. I never imagined a film could suddenly go downhill so damn fast until I saw Prometheus.

So honestly I don't think it really deserves a sequel. Although who knows, perhaps he will redeem himself. HR Giger is dead though. Honestly, they should have taken his designs to heart in Alien 2 and beyond. Perhaps they can still do so as a tribute to him in a new Prometheus.
 

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slo said:
So yeah, go Ridley. Make another movie some people won't get. I probably will since my perception is a little different.
*snort* Yeah, sure. How does it live with such an overblown ego?
 

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Frezzato said:
Exactly! Adding *current* hardware to a futuristic concept ("Ten millimeter explosive-tip caseless") makes no sense. VFC-PEQ-15 laser aiming module, (incorrectly mounted) holographic sight, Picatinny rails, those are all current tech.
I think your standard smoothbore 12 ga. shotgun that looks like a common police shotgun would still work in a sci-fi film. Sure it's current tech, sure it's uncomplicated and instantly recognizeable, but I think it would still sell if only because I can't think of any decent replacement for a simple, pump action shotgun as even a sci-fi weapon for, say, a civilian shipboard personal defence weapon.

Sometimes current tech can work as well. Just because it's sci-fi doesn't mean everything has to forfeit tried and tested, elegant in simplicity, no-nonsense firepower that transcends the ages. Especially when most of the Alien universe does feature to a certain extent that industrial-grade, backyard-chop shop feel. Angular cargo holds, gritty space ship interiors, humanity as space-faring even on an entry-level labourer-degree feel.
 

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Casual Shinji said:
Good.

This means we'll only get one likely failure as opposed to two.

The idea of retconning 3 and Resurrection out of existence seemed horribly arrogant anyway. And thankfully Blomkamp's marshmellow man sized social commentary won't be yet another black mark against this franchise.
What you didn't want to see how he would make the alien and its interactions somehow reflect SA social issues?
 
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Silentpony said:
Oh for fuck's sake!
No one liked Prometheus! No one liked Alien 3!
Everyone liked Aliens! Get a clue, Hollywood! You're worse than EA!
I liked Alien 3. It may be due to Stockholm Syndrome mixed with nostalgia, but it is way more watchable than Resurrection.

So is Ridley Scott holding Alien 5 as hostage depending on whether people like Prometheus 2 or not? If that's the case my hopes of ever seeing it have been significantly lowered.
 

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Wow...so much acidic xeno blood in this article and comments, I can hear it hissing through the floor.

I feel like such a philistine now for actually enjoying, almost all the Alien movies, Prometheus, Chappie, AND the AvPs. I mean I liked the first 2 Alien movies the most, like the general population, but I thought all of them had their place. I'm pretty much happy for any of these to come along, although something along the lines of Aliens (2) would get me hyped more than anything else.

Personally a huge fan of Blomkamp's work, so the sooner Alien 5 can happen the better. Although I don't know about that holographic sight, if you're going to put one on a Pulse Rifle at least rework it to make it look more cohesive with the weapon.
 

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Ehhh...it does kind of suck to see Alien 5 not happen, though tbh I didn't expect much, though I do not like the idea of Prometheus 2 since the first one was...garbage, oh well, I have the other movies I can just watch again, Hollywood could you please just either stop making movies, or actually...I dunno make good movies? I mean Alien 3 wasn't bad, aside from the shit CGI, and I also liked the AvP movies, aside from the annoying human characters, and we don't talk about Alien Resurrection...ok checkered history but come on! Pull yourself together!
 

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Do I want Alien 5 or Prometheus 2? Decisions, decisions.
I'll always be a fan of the first couple of Alien movies, so there's that.
Then again a Prometheus sequel can do nothing but improve... right?