No I don't think aliens have been here and helped us build the pyramids, and other ancient structures. That being said I do think it is very likely that we are not the only life in the universe.
Aliens/ancient astronauts : do you believe in them?
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Too be honest those theories are a bit far fetched. I do believe there are others, somewhere in the Universe. But I don't think they came to Earth. I also think it's incredibly arrogant to think that only humans of our age are intelligent enough to have build those things..
I only put my faith in what I know to be fact, beyond that I don't presume anything.
In terms of probability I'd consider it highly likely that there is extra-terrestrial life out there somewhere. Considering just how many billions of stars there are in our galaxy, and then considering that that in itself is only just one of God knows how many others, the chances of life having occurred here and only here seem pretty remote to me. I know that the amount of astonishing strokes of luck that have to happen for us to go from cosmic dust all the way to living organisms makes the process very fragile, but the sheer scale of just the known universe makes me think that we can't possibly be the only ones.
However, I see no reason to believe that it was alien intervention that spurned humanity towards civilisation, not when there are so many more plausible explanations. For one thing, we must ask ourselves why they would do such a thing even if it was true. Why would an alien race advanced enough to be capable of long distance space travel bother to meddle in the lives of a bunch of hairless monkeys who hadn't even got as far as mapping their own planet? At that time, we would have been completely insignificant in comparison to them, why bother uplifting us? What makes homo-sapiens worthy of their help?
In terms of probability I'd consider it highly likely that there is extra-terrestrial life out there somewhere. Considering just how many billions of stars there are in our galaxy, and then considering that that in itself is only just one of God knows how many others, the chances of life having occurred here and only here seem pretty remote to me. I know that the amount of astonishing strokes of luck that have to happen for us to go from cosmic dust all the way to living organisms makes the process very fragile, but the sheer scale of just the known universe makes me think that we can't possibly be the only ones.
However, I see no reason to believe that it was alien intervention that spurned humanity towards civilisation, not when there are so many more plausible explanations. For one thing, we must ask ourselves why they would do such a thing even if it was true. Why would an alien race advanced enough to be capable of long distance space travel bother to meddle in the lives of a bunch of hairless monkeys who hadn't even got as far as mapping their own planet? At that time, we would have been completely insignificant in comparison to them, why bother uplifting us? What makes homo-sapiens worthy of their help?
I think that aliens exist somewhere else in the universe, mathematically its almost impossible that our solar system is the only one to ever have life because of the sheer size of the universe.
I think the whole aliens interfering with Earth and humanity in any manner is a load of shit though, if a alien race was that advanced to be able to travel space at a fast enough speed then its sheer human arrogance to think we would be interesting enough for them to fuck with us.
If a alien race that advanced did come to Earth they would likely think we are a bunch of primitive savages constantly killing each other as well as numerous other species and leave us well alone.
I think the whole aliens interfering with Earth and humanity in any manner is a load of shit though, if a alien race was that advanced to be able to travel space at a fast enough speed then its sheer human arrogance to think we would be interesting enough for them to fuck with us.
If a alien race that advanced did come to Earth they would likely think we are a bunch of primitive savages constantly killing each other as well as numerous other species and leave us well alone.
As much as "the truth is out there" and "I want to believe", I just don't think there's enough evidence behind any of those theories to be taken seriously. I think that a lot of ancient aliens theories simply don't give actual humans enough credit for their achievements.
Everyone in this thread seems to be saying the same thing with differnt words (though arrogance crops up quite a lot).
So I'm going to say it again.
I do believe there is life out there somewhere, out in the deep unknown, but to think that that life came and helped us advance because humans were too stupid to do so themselves is sheer arrogance.
So I'm going to say it again.
I do believe there is life out there somewhere, out in the deep unknown, but to think that that life came and helped us advance because humans were too stupid to do so themselves is sheer arrogance.
I know a lot of the thinking behind the whole 'aliens built the pyramids' & similar ideas is down to the sheer scale and complexity of some of these structures. However, it really is incredible what you can achieve with thousands of slaves. And whips, lots and lots of big whips.
I believe rather strongly in the Ancient Astronaut theory. There's a great deal of very curious information and a lot of unusual archaeological data that tends to fall by the wayside when 'mainstream' archaeologists can't explain it. A lot of people roll out the explanations for the Nazca Lines and the Great Pyramids, which can be explained reasonably...although they ignore the fact that most experts in Egyptology quietly admit that they've never found an actual mummy dating back to Egypt in the Great pyramid (the mummies found date to Greek and Roman times). They also gloss over the fact that the only record linking the existence of the Great Pyramid to an Egyptian Pharaoh is linked back to a con undertaken by a disreputable British army officer.
Other than that we can say that the Egyptians built many pyramids, but there is nothing that explains the construction of the pyramids of Giza, the largest and the smallest of the Great pyramids aren't dedicated to any particular pharaoh.
There are myriad other unusual events and aspects in history that are glossed over, evidence in ancient Indian cities in the Indus valley showing they were destroyed by Atomic weapons (central glassed/fused land in the geographical center of the cities, bodies lying dead and showing signs of death from radiation poisoning), texts of Babylonian history that give explanations of 'weapons of the gods' that resemble the affects of nuclear weapons (massive explosions, slow painful death for those close by, warnings to not venture close to where the weapons detonated), Mesoamerican cultures believed to hold a common ancestor in their language that is completely without historical evidence.
Developmental cycles in the Middle east that showed rapid development followed by slow regression for three thousand years before suddenly making massive leaps once more, ancient civilizations showing knowledge of our solar system which we only recently developed (The ancient Babylonians knew about every major planet after Mars, we only know about them because of mathematical extrapolation of their existence.), development of cereal crops and agricultural processes in the Middle east in an eye blink (We take corn, grain, grapes, apples, and olives for granted, they were selectively bred over thousands of years to look that way, while other food crops seemed to just appear without precursor).
I could go on about castles in Northern England that demonstraight evidence of being struck by some kind of heat ray (solid stone being melted and fused in place), I could talk about identical existence of the creation mythology in every ancient religion, I could bring up the Babylonian Creation epic which describes humans being created by the gods using phials, beakers and jugs (the -only- detailed example of such a creation of mankind.) I could bring up the fact that every major religion has a polytheistic origin (even Christianity), I could speak of the cave paintings that describe their gods in ways that we consider the most common appearance of aliens. There are myriad examples of things that don't fit, things that are strange and things which are completely ignored.
There is a lot of information out there, and only a miniscule portion of it actually has anything to do with gigantic structures. A lot of it has to do with the sophistication of the civilizations and the archaeological evidence that's anomalous. I can say that sure, the ancient egyptians might have been able to build the pyramids (unlikely), or that the Incas built Macchu Picchu (nearly impossible), but saying that the ancient residents of the Indus Valley had nuclear weapons is obscene, just like saying that the ancient Picts had heat rays, or that the Babylonians knew how to genetically engineer cereal crops.
Other than that we can say that the Egyptians built many pyramids, but there is nothing that explains the construction of the pyramids of Giza, the largest and the smallest of the Great pyramids aren't dedicated to any particular pharaoh.
There are myriad other unusual events and aspects in history that are glossed over, evidence in ancient Indian cities in the Indus valley showing they were destroyed by Atomic weapons (central glassed/fused land in the geographical center of the cities, bodies lying dead and showing signs of death from radiation poisoning), texts of Babylonian history that give explanations of 'weapons of the gods' that resemble the affects of nuclear weapons (massive explosions, slow painful death for those close by, warnings to not venture close to where the weapons detonated), Mesoamerican cultures believed to hold a common ancestor in their language that is completely without historical evidence.
Developmental cycles in the Middle east that showed rapid development followed by slow regression for three thousand years before suddenly making massive leaps once more, ancient civilizations showing knowledge of our solar system which we only recently developed (The ancient Babylonians knew about every major planet after Mars, we only know about them because of mathematical extrapolation of their existence.), development of cereal crops and agricultural processes in the Middle east in an eye blink (We take corn, grain, grapes, apples, and olives for granted, they were selectively bred over thousands of years to look that way, while other food crops seemed to just appear without precursor).
I could go on about castles in Northern England that demonstraight evidence of being struck by some kind of heat ray (solid stone being melted and fused in place), I could talk about identical existence of the creation mythology in every ancient religion, I could bring up the Babylonian Creation epic which describes humans being created by the gods using phials, beakers and jugs (the -only- detailed example of such a creation of mankind.) I could bring up the fact that every major religion has a polytheistic origin (even Christianity), I could speak of the cave paintings that describe their gods in ways that we consider the most common appearance of aliens. There are myriad examples of things that don't fit, things that are strange and things which are completely ignored.
There is a lot of information out there, and only a miniscule portion of it actually has anything to do with gigantic structures. A lot of it has to do with the sophistication of the civilizations and the archaeological evidence that's anomalous. I can say that sure, the ancient egyptians might have been able to build the pyramids (unlikely), or that the Incas built Macchu Picchu (nearly impossible), but saying that the ancient residents of the Indus Valley had nuclear weapons is obscene, just like saying that the ancient Picts had heat rays, or that the Babylonians knew how to genetically engineer cereal crops.
Doesn't really make sense when you think about it. "Hey Xalnor, let's mess with these primitive apes and never check up on them again in the next couple of thousand years" doesn't seem like something a race that has achieved FTL would say.
I'd imagine this has already been brought up, but if you're confused on the matter, you need only watch this episode of South Park:
http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s15e13-a-history-channel-thanksgiving
It discusses this very topic while parodying the movie Thor.
As for my own beliefs, I believe it's mathematically impossible for us to be the only sentient living beings in the galaxy, let alone the universe, but there's nothing to suggest that aliens have been here...nothing solid, at least.
If they were here in the past and nurtured our species through servitude, why'd they just up and leave a fertile, resource-rich planet?
Oh, and I don't know how, but they're making a sequel to Independence Day.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s15e13-a-history-channel-thanksgiving
It discusses this very topic while parodying the movie Thor.
As for my own beliefs, I believe it's mathematically impossible for us to be the only sentient living beings in the galaxy, let alone the universe, but there's nothing to suggest that aliens have been here...nothing solid, at least.
Pretty much things along these lines. They've mastered interstellar travel by having a far superior understanding of physics than we do...and yet they're concerned with the cosmic mysteries lurking in the bum of some drunken redneck out in the middle of nowhere. They'd have no reason to hide from us, Stephen Hawking has a great point when he said he fears the day aliens arrive at our planet because the history of an advanced civilization encountering a more primitive one never ends well for the primitives.Esotera said:
If they were here in the past and nurtured our species through servitude, why'd they just up and leave a fertile, resource-rich planet?
Oh, and I don't know how, but they're making a sequel to Independence Day.
I just take it as "Hey, there's mainstream science and accepted theory over there right? So we're gonna do a whole lot of LSD, write down what we see, and then have this guy read it for a t.v. show. It'll be great!"
In seriousness though, while it's possible that alien life is out there, I doubt they really care what we do until we go and attack them first. I mean, seriously. How many people here care about fleas until they bite you?
In seriousness though, while it's possible that alien life is out there, I doubt they really care what we do until we go and attack them first. I mean, seriously. How many people here care about fleas until they bite you?
Could be true but it's a rather cynical view of the human race really that we lacked the innovation to create our own structures and needed people from the space to show us how.
But on the other hand, it's easy to say that said ancient cultures may have been visited by ETs which caused them to think they were gods.
I'm not going to say if I think so or not because I don't know and don't like believing in things that can't or haven't been proved yet.
But on the other hand, it's easy to say that said ancient cultures may have been visited by ETs which caused them to think they were gods.
I'm not going to say if I think so or not because I don't know and don't like believing in things that can't or haven't been proved yet.
I very much believe that there are other beings or at least organisms out in the universe but the chance of them locating us is so staggeringly low that I don't believe the hype. Sure there are aliens somewhere but i don't really think they are here among us now.
I find the ancient aliens theory to be bunk for the most part. Not because I'm discounting the possibility, but because there's no direct evidence of anything remotely ET related.
It is true that we don't have enough evidence to fully explain the connection between a series of poorly understood coincidences in the past. However, rather than let it sit in the "unsolved" category until/unless more information is found, some people decided to fill in the blanks with an alien race.
Regardless, the biggest problem I find with ALL alien encounter stories is motive.
Modern UFO tales only make the slightest bit of sense as part of research efforts on their part, but such efforts are far more effectively conducted in a manner that no one would be aware of rather than randomly flying around and abducting stoned hippies for a probe session. The fact that many of the more credible UFO stories in the past have turned out to simply be sightings of now declassified black project vehicles...
The ancient aliens, if they existed, left behind no evidence of having taken resources, and did not leave any advanced technology behind, at least none that was sustainable. For example, one of the programs was talking about old aircraft, if any such vehicles had been built here or left behind, there would be gobs of physical and/or chemical evidence for us to find due to the materials required. If an alien race was here during our early days, all they seem to have done was set themselves up as temporary rulers/gods, then got bored and left without making any lasting impression, hardly behavior I would expect from a space-faring race.
It is true that we don't have enough evidence to fully explain the connection between a series of poorly understood coincidences in the past. However, rather than let it sit in the "unsolved" category until/unless more information is found, some people decided to fill in the blanks with an alien race.
Regardless, the biggest problem I find with ALL alien encounter stories is motive.
Modern UFO tales only make the slightest bit of sense as part of research efforts on their part, but such efforts are far more effectively conducted in a manner that no one would be aware of rather than randomly flying around and abducting stoned hippies for a probe session. The fact that many of the more credible UFO stories in the past have turned out to simply be sightings of now declassified black project vehicles...
The ancient aliens, if they existed, left behind no evidence of having taken resources, and did not leave any advanced technology behind, at least none that was sustainable. For example, one of the programs was talking about old aircraft, if any such vehicles had been built here or left behind, there would be gobs of physical and/or chemical evidence for us to find due to the materials required. If an alien race was here during our early days, all they seem to have done was set themselves up as temporary rulers/gods, then got bored and left without making any lasting impression, hardly behavior I would expect from a space-faring race.
I believe alien life exists out there somewhere; considering the size of the universe, even if there's a .000000000001% chance of a given planet having life, we're bound to not be living on the only one.
As for ancient astronauts in particular, and the idea that intelligent aliens have visited this planet in general, the chances are pretty slim, again because of the sheer size of the universe -- well, that and the abovementioned fact that the idea that aliens must have built all of the great works of stone through bronze age man is racist and an underestimation of man's ingenuity and the technology of the time. I'm sure 1,000 years from now people are going to be saying we couldn't have built the internet without alien help and using that episode of Doctor Who where an alien artifact collector said it was built with reverse engineered technology from Roswell as evidence.
As for ancient astronauts in particular, and the idea that intelligent aliens have visited this planet in general, the chances are pretty slim, again because of the sheer size of the universe -- well, that and the abovementioned fact that the idea that aliens must have built all of the great works of stone through bronze age man is racist and an underestimation of man's ingenuity and the technology of the time. I'm sure 1,000 years from now people are going to be saying we couldn't have built the internet without alien help and using that episode of Doctor Who where an alien artifact collector said it was built with reverse engineered technology from Roswell as evidence.