All male Fox News panel freak out over the numbers of women providing the main income in households

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NameIsRobertPaulson said:
Adding this to the LIST.

What is the LIST?

Occasionally, someone pops into the R&P Dungeon with the statement: "Fox News is no worse than any other news outlet." So I respond with the LIST.

The LIST now takes up almost two full Escapist pages.
Can I see this list? I have someone who believes fox news is the GREATEST news outlet as it actually tells the 'truth' unlike everything else and it's not run by 'those damn liberals'.

I've been trying to wrap my head around anyone thinking like that.
 

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Oh Fox News, you never fail to set your bar lower, I think it's close to the planet's core by now...
 

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*sigh*

I thought all that biological determinism regarding gender I've seen creep up here went the same way as believing black people belonged to a different race than white people. Meaning it got disproven and people stopped believing it. But appearantly I was only half right about that... :\
 

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The only groups I've seen actively attack Politifact's accuracy are extreme right-wing groups. Funny how that works.
Actually, MSNBC attacks politifacts regularly too. For example politifacts gave Martina Nawratilova's statement that it is legal in 39 states for an employer to fire an employee based on sexual orientation only a "half true."
 

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Yuuki said:
Meanwhile men don't have any such biological processes going on, no spurts of hormonal activity that "prepares" them to become fathers. Their bodies or minds don't go through any change during those 9 months. The tensions and the stress of fatherhood are purely emotional with no biological impacts.
Actually yes they do.
Some men go through almost as many changes as the women. Ever heard a guy talk about having "sympathy pain". My brother gained weight, had cravings, got back pains and morning sickness while his wife was pregnant with my niece. His morning sickness was actually worse than hers, and it's not just all in their head either. Men experience a lowering of testosterone and an increase in prolactin, hormonal changes that can be detected in blood tests.

Here are some articles if you're interested.
http://www.nbc12.com/story/17007664/male-pregnancy-symtoms
http://www.babble.com/pregnancy/male-brain-expecting-father-pregnancy-couples-relationship/
 

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Actually yes they do.
Some men go through almost as many changes as the women. Ever heard a guy talk about having "sympathy pain". My brother gained weight, had cravings, got back pains and morning sickness while his wife was pregnant with my niece. His morning sickness was actually worse than hers, and it's not just all in their head either. Men experience a lowering of testosterone and an increase in prolactin, hormonal changes that can be detected in blood tests.

Here are some articles if you're interested.
http://www.nbc12.com/story/17007664/male-pregnancy-symtoms
http://www.babble.com/pregnancy/male-brain-expecting-father-pregnancy-couples-relationship/
Fairly new findings but interesting nevertheless. Certainly new to me, thanks for the links :)
 

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Not sure if this has been posted yet, but it's kind of an extension of the original debate in the OP's video: http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/05/31/lou-dobbs-megyn-kelly-and-erick-erickson-clash-over-women-breadwinners-america-live

Erick comes off as a complete moron XD
 

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Fappy said:
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but it's kind of an extension of the original debate in the OP's video: http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/05/31/lou-dobbs-megyn-kelly-and-erick-erickson-clash-over-women-breadwinners-america-live

Erick comes off as a complete moron XD
Caught it the day it happened myself. Posted it back on page 7. It amused the hell out of me, especially where she has to practically will herself to say somethin good about gays in order to defend her point.

edit - Angry Mao has been traded for a Mao with a tophat and a rose in his mouth. I approve.
 

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Fappy said:
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but it's kind of an extension of the original debate in the OP's video: http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/05/31/lou-dobbs-megyn-kelly-and-erick-erickson-clash-over-women-breadwinners-america-live

Erick comes off as a complete moron XD
Fox News hounds preying on each other and at each others throats... delicious. For the record, I think all three of them have horrible rhetoric, Megyn interracial analogy was very far fetched but she was otherwise coherent, Dobbs on the other hand was not making any sense, and Erick.. oh spineless Erick i have never seen a man back peddle from his own opinion so badly, so quickly and so pathetically.
thank you Fappy that was great entertainment.

The nature argument is also the dumbest shit, they mentioned lions themselves, but they didn't mention that most of the animal kingdom is not monogamous, and that nature is full of "dead beat dads" if anything single motherhood is the "normal" condition. Fuck me those two are in serious need of some education.

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I really have no conception of what they are bitching about, their only valid argument is that two parents working does result in less time spent with their children, that is obvious. However there is no difference as to who makes the most money, family dynamics are not bound to economy. Every family has a different culture, and while it is typical for the man to be in a "dominant" or "masculine" position, it is not something that is determined by income sources.

I wonder if those guys are trying to express something else but do not have the mental capacity. Like how masculinity has become harder to define in a modern age where equality between the sexes has made it more difficult to describe what makes a man a man besides genitalia, and how former stereotypical male qualities and attributes, are now often lampooned in parody instead of being a goal of aspiration.

Perhaps they are lamenting that the ideal man of the 2000's is no longer the ideal man of the 1950's. I do not think they were thinking about this when they spoke however. I do think there is a dilemma in identifying what a man is supposed to be as we near a future where more and more, gender roles are seen to be interchangeable. I think it is valid for society to ask itself "what is a man?"
 

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'And those are the children who survive' wait what did i actually just hear an actual person say that. Yep he definitely deliberately said that. You've got to love fox news.
 

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I don't see the drop-off connection to the 1950s. It's kind of insulting to imply that the decade just ended and society turned over a new leaf. Pretty sure anyone familiar with women's liberation would have a thing to say about a century of movement, and historians could point out for how long and how prevalent this model has existed.

Conservatives do love to point to the 50s as America's heyday and it was in many ways, but to imply it's some sort of time capsule for this way of thinking is bizarre.

NameIsRobertPaulson said:
The only groups I've seen actively attack Politifact's accuracy are extreme right-wing groups. Funny how that works.
Slate [http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2011/12/20/politifact_lies_about_lying.html] has and Rachel Maddow [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a44sP22bDqY] (hello again, MSNBC) is well-known for thrashing it on her show. There's actually a lot of criticism against fact-checking websites; Politifact is one of the most controversial.
 

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AgedGrunt said:
If you're Chris Hayes, the solution to poverty is easy: give people money [http://youtu.be/9HM1IhiVYSI?t=11m17s]
Your clip, like everyone else's online is heavily edited fown to a soundbite and a handwritten sign. You offer no context and no actual grounds for verification. This in itself seems like right wing slant, especially since primary sources are Newsbusters and The Blaze.

Now, you spammed a lot of links at once, and inundating people with that much information is generally a tactic to confuse or deter rather than to persuasively argue. Shall I just assume your other links are similarly cut down and without context and move on?
 

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Fappy said:
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but it's kind of an extension of the original debate in the OP's video: http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/05/31/lou-dobbs-megyn-kelly-and-erick-erickson-clash-over-women-breadwinners-america-live

Erick comes off as a complete moron XD
It was posted already. It's still gold. It's a shame she's such a hypocrite about it, though.
 

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These men are in the same age group and along the same belief system lines with many that run the US. You know, just fyi.

Obama's record in history is continually projected to be a "fell short" situation because of Congress defeating all legislation that is supported by the White House. If these types of men are representative of that side of the legislative aisle and they believe this, what hope does progress have in any regard? How do you a change a mind that fucking small?