All male Fox News panel freak out over the numbers of women providing the main income in households

[The_Tron]

I got to "fox news" then said, oh god what dumbass over the top right wing thing are they talking about now. Then read the rest and thought "sounds like fox news alright".

 

[IamLEAM1983]

Fox News is designed to appeal to old white people who long for a return to a idealistic 1950s society that never existed. This doesn't shock me at all

I know, right? Wasn't life easier back when June Cleaver moms ran everything and fathers were emotionally distant and yet oh-so-manly men whose best example of emotional contact with their child involved a cold shoulder squeeze or a patronizing smile? Wasn't life so much better when you could come home from work and expect the dining room to carry the comforting scent of potatoes and gravy?

I mean, really - Oh, for God's sake. Excuse me for a second.

GET BACK IN THE KITCHEN, SALLY, OR IT'S THE STRAP!

Ahem. Sorry about that. By the by, wanna grab some scotch and cigars at the local gentleman's club?

[/incredulous and somewhat hilarious sarcasm]

It's disgusting. Plainly and simply disgusting. The only reason my parents have access to a decent retirement plan is because they're BOTH chipping in. Gender roles are dead in 2013 or they should be, honestly. We've got stay-at-home dads and women leading entire teams in several fields of research or teaching. If anything, the gaming industry is one of the few boys' clubs where I think there's still a fair bit of caveman thought going on.

As for Fox News - I'm not surprised. That's antiquated talk coming from fear-mongering grayheads selling the American dream to folks who already got swallowed and spat out by the subprime scandals and the waves of foreclosures. With the economy in the wringer, the last thing anybody needs or want is an out-of-date lecture on gender roles from men who could say the most heinous things ever on live TV and who'd still have a job.

 

[DarkishFriend]

I love the 54million abortions bit; that was just conservative masturbation.

 

[TheScientificIssole]

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I call bullshit on that. Politics has become more of a flame war and popularity contest than ever. The majority vote always attempts to create hate for the other side, and now it has reached its height. People throw the name "republican" around like its an common insult. I wouldn't mind that if it weren't a hindrance to actual progress. And "AFRAID OF CHANGE", that's my favorite thing to hear, because if someone disagrees with you then they are obviously afraid of something. I just wish the left would admit they're just as bad and sometimes much worse than the right. This petty struggle even is on a government level. I mean,remember the Sequester? When congress, on what I believe was a mostly Left-wing decision, passed a "if you don't agree with me, massive budget cuts" to push the republican to agree with the proposed budget, and then the President made a big scare about it, saying that it would ruin everything. The left has politically done worse things and be lionized and praised for it, than what I have ever seen the right do. I have been told, "At least your not a Republican!" on several occasions. If Republicans are afraid of change, then Democrats are afraid of not having control over every person's opinions.

 

[Blood Brain Barrier]

I am going to be controversial now and say... why is it that women are now making more money than men? Don't get me wrong -- it's marvellous and as a woman I hope to do the same.

That is... until I get married.

Perhaps it's because of the strict conservatism I was raised in but I do believe that a woman's role is to look after the children. If the mother wants to work then she gets a part-time job because that way she can still be there for the children. It's the man who is out 40 hours a week putting food on the table and supporting the family.

I know everybody will disagree with me but that's my opinion.

Women are better at all things practical, speaking from experience. That includes most jobs. Does that mean men are better at the theoretical? Well, I don't know why all or most philosophers have been male but it's probably more to do with historical circumstances than an aptitude for the theoretical.

 

[shintakie10]

The way I see it, there's one of 2 possibilities here:

1) She's the usual selfish, short-sighted conservative, the type who only cares about discrimination when it's directed at their group. This is a sort of cognitive dissonance I shall never be able to understand.

2) She does the usual rhetoric to get monies and stay at her job, and only now has something finally offended her enough that she can no longer, in good conscience, justify it to herself.

I'd like to think maybe she learned, but I'm betting it's 1. I'm betting she's back to bitching about blacks and gays next week, even though she just used them as examples of archaic prejudices. Megyn doesn't even seem all that pro-woman, based on of some the crap I've seen her say in videos, so I'm betting this is JUST because it attacked a specific body of women. Women who work. Like her. She seems fine slamming middle and lower-class women.

Oh its totally 1. My heart wants so much to believe that this is like Ann Coulter on The Boondocks where she just says the shit she does for that sweet sweet trailer trash money because while I don't agree with her methods, I do understand the desire to get that sweet sweet trailer trash money. Plus it'd mean she isn't completely insane and that people with easy access to facts would be so willin to completely ignore them.

My brain, on the other hand, realizes that the only reason she cares is that she herself, unintentionally or not, was the target of this latest insane gibberish and jumped to her own defense. The fact that she happens to be defendin the same people that she normally would belittle is just a side effect of the defense of herself.

 

[Brewtus]

Hey at least they're not talking about reproductive rights.
There's nothing that says Faux News better than five old men telling me that birth control shouldn't be covered by health care, but Viagra is 100% a must.

I have half a mind to send them the links on how they have now successfully fertilized an egg using only female cells making men no longer necessary for sperm.

http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/sciencetech/men-no-longer-necessary-for-sperm-production/750

If their reaction to women working is that bad, can you you imagine their reaction to reading that?! HAHAHAHAHA!

They would just reject the findings. They don't believe in facts and science at Fox News.

 

[Erttheking]

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I call bullshit on that. Politics has become more of a flame war and popularity contest than ever. The majority vote always attempts to create hate for the other side, and now it has reached its height. People throw the name "republican" around like its an common insult. I wouldn't mind that if it weren't a hindrance to actual progress. And "AFRAID OF CHANGE", that's my favorite thing to hear, because if someone disagrees with you then they are obviously afraid of something. I just wish the left would admit they're just as bad and sometimes much worse than the right. This petty struggle even is on a government level. I mean,remember the Sequester? When congress, on what I believe was a mostly Left-wing decision, passed a "if you don't agree with me, massive budget cuts" to push the republican to agree with the proposed budget, and then the President made a big scare about it, saying that it would ruin everything. The left has politically done worse things and be lionized and praised for it, than what I have ever seen the right do. I am constantly told, "At least your not a Republican!" on several occasions. If Republicans are afraid of change, then Democrats are afraid of not having control over every person's opinions.

It feels like you're trying to dismiss Republican stereotypes with Democrat stereotypes. This isn't going to make you look like the bigger man.

 

[Olas]

i'm sorry for sounding so harsh, but America comes accross as really stunted with regards to equality

PLEASE don't take anything you see in the video to be a general attitude amongst Americans, those people are crazy barbaric neanderthals that don't even represent our most fringe conservatives. in fact stop stereotyping us in general, why is America the only country it's perfectly fine to stereotype.

 

[TheScientificIssole]

Snip

I call bullshit on that. Politics has become more of a flame war and popularity contest than ever. The majority vote always attempts to create hate for the other side, and now it has reached its height. People throw the name "republican" around like its an common insult. I wouldn't mind that if it weren't a hindrance to actual progress. And "AFRAID OF CHANGE", that's my favorite thing to hear, because if someone disagrees with you then they are obviously afraid of something. I just wish the left would admit they're just as bad and sometimes much worse than the right. This petty struggle even is on a government level. I mean,remember the Sequester? When congress, on what I believe was a mostly Left-wing decision, passed a "if you don't agree with me, massive budget cuts" to push the republican to agree with the proposed budget, and then the President made a big scare about it, saying that it would ruin everything. The left has politically done worse things and be lionized and praised for it, than what I have ever seen the right do. I am constantly told, "At least your not a Republican!" on several occasions. If Republicans are afraid of change, then Democrats are afraid of not having control over every person's opinions.

It feels like you're trying to dismiss Republican stereotypes with Democrat stereotypes. This isn't going to make you look like the bigger man.

Yeah, I don't see the problem. If you hate one you should hate the other. If you are going to take the humanity from one side take it from the other. When did I bring up a stereotype? At the end when I said IF your stereotype is true, than so is mine. That statement's point is to show that both are nonsense. I can find evidence of the democrat stereotype much easier in this thread, though. Also, being the bigger man, it ain't that difficult. Most of what I see in this thread is thoughtless hate, and now I am being called a smaller person, because I am inciting thought against a liberal-based society? People are rarely called out for republican hate on the internet, but this must be a special case because I'm defending them? Why not post a reply to every one-sided hate comment, knowing that they by nature of being completely one-sided are worse then my own comments?

 

[Lilani]

Firstly men put a much greater value psychologically on their ability to provide, and a good job often factors into this. Therefore a change of balance is fairly negative to the health of a lot of men.

To further this, women are getting many new jobs over other men. They are less ambitious, or at least viewed as such by their employer. This is one of the reasons young men are finding that getting a job is increasingly difficult. This will have a negative effect on society in the future and is a reason that western civilization is becoming increasingly noncompetitive.

When you say "they" are less ambitious, are you referring to men or women? Because if it's men than what you have here is a total contradiction. First you say men put great value in their ability to provide, then you say they are less ambitious. Surely if providing is really so important to men, that would make them more ambitious?

And if it's women then what you're saying just doesn't make sense at all. If women are getting many new jobs over men, then how can they be less ambitious? If men are inherently more ambitious and women inherently less, and the employer can see this as you say, then surely men have the advantage when it comes to getting employment.

Then there's the fact that you've said all this about male psychology and the ambition of genders and you've not provided a single shred of psychological or scientific advice to back up any of these claims. I'm afraid you've got a long way to go for this post to make any kind of logical sense.

 

[likalaruku]

You're tearing us apart, Working Women! I'm fed up with this uncomplementary world!

My mom is the primary breadwinner in our family. When my grampa died, my uncle quit his job & just sat on his ass for 3 years & smoked weed. He has a job now, but my mom is one of the highest paid employees where she works & he will never ever make more than her.

 

[80sboy]

You know... I kinda feel like playing the devil's advocate with this matter. What if - in 30 years let's say - it gets to the point that there's no longer equality, but role reversal where men end up being treated as the lesser sex, and are hardly ever hired for any occupation, and... well... you get my point.

With the rising of human population across the globe, and the dwindling resources. One thing might be certain is the job market could get worse and worse.

It would be an interesting world to see 95% of the work force ending up being women while men are used to fight third world wars over resources, and die by the masses.

lol

Okay... enough dystopian future scenarios. As for the OT...? We're freakin' talking about Fox News here! What did you expect?

 

[Mid Boss]

I'm going to be very careful with how I phrase all of this.

I agree with their conclusion but not their premise.

If a woman chooses to work, she should have every opportunity to do so - no different than a man. There's no real difference between a stay-at-home mom and a stay-at-home dad, and each family should be allowed to decide who works and who stays.

That's not the problem with the "family unit" in this country. The problem is that very few families can afford not to send both parents to work anymore. The days of one parent supporting the entire family with a 40 hour work week are long gone. Wages simply haven't kept up with inflation, and the end result is *every* adult under the roof (parents, grandparents, adult children) having to bring in money to get by. The kids end up in sketchy daycare or lousy after-school programs (because these are poor families) while both parents grind out 40-50 hours a week just to make ends meet.

THAT is the disintegration of the family unit, and it has NOTHING to do with women in the workplace and EVERYTHING to do with wealth disparity in this country. Women spreading into the workplace, while progressive and commendable, has really masked the bigger issue: the average american family is much, much poorer than it was in the 1950s. Of course you'd never see a Fox News panel pointing this out because they'd inevitable wind up blaming the actual culprits - the top 1%.

And that there is the rub. We have a full half of our government bought, paid for, and whored out by corporations and the retardedly rich. Because it's so hard to justify throwing everyone but their wealthy overlords under the bus, they use fear and religion to get the people they fully and blatantly want to f^&k over to vote for them. And they've been doing it so long and become so good at it they've got many of us standing up in defense of said overlords! We now live in a culture of corporate worship where "They're in the business of making money" is a tarp their defenders throw over any and all douche baggery imaginable. Even when that behavior leads to accidents and even explosions that kill numerous workers. Which happened in Waco Texas when a fertilizer plant, who's been dodging inspections for years in the name of "business of making money", exploded and killed all those people.

 

[invadergir]

My favorite reply to the video on the second link:


"Whistleblower
Greta why do men think they are superior to women? It has been proven that men only use one side of their brain most of the time while women use both sides and it has been proven that women are smarter and more able to handle the world better than men. I know of a male government worker who is married and while at his federal job advertises for women to come have drugs and sex at his government office. He gets away with it because other men in higher government positions cover up for him."


Answering ignorance and stupidity with ignorance and stupidity. Perfect. At least it shows a fair counterpoint that women have bigots on their side too.

 

[The Lugz]

Whomever would assume this is true.. well, I have some news for you. Time to educate you sir, that a ton of species has the female in charge.

agreed, however you can go even further than this, right down to the designation of the sexes being entirely arbitrary to begin with, 'male' and 'female' are labels with no tangible meaning beyond the design of sexual organs which is not relevant to earning money, unless one is discussing the state of prostitution, but that is a little off topic!

the point is, if you choose to reassign a gender role that is assigned to a label that has no meaning other than 'style' to begin with then how is that an issue? it's literally just thinking differently. and how can that hurt anyone ( let alone the children! )

tis madness.

 

[HoneyVision]

While I totally the way Fox News presenters speak in general (unnecessarily aggressive and arrogant), I don't know how the hell anyone can trust ANY news network. EVERY SINGLE new network on this planet is extremely biased, Fox News just doesn't give half a shit about hiding it. You think CNN or BBC are any less biased. Hell no. They're just much more strategic about hiding it.

Lesson of the day: Never trust a news network for anything. NONE of them.

 

[DementedSheep]

You know... I kinda feel like playing the devil's advocate with this matter. What if - in 30 years let's say - it gets to the point that there's no longer equality, but role reversal where men end up being treated as the lesser sex, and are hardly ever hired for any occupation, and... well... you get my point.

With the rising of human population across the globe, and the dwindling resources. One thing might be certain is the job market could get worse and worse.

It would be an interesting world to see 95% of the work force ending up being women while men are used to fight third world wars over resources, and die by the masses.

lol

Okay... enough dystopian future scenarios. As for the OT...? We're freakin' talking about Fox News here! What did you expect?

You know I was just going on about how much I hate this in another thread. We can't have woman in the work force or strive for equality even though these are good things because this will clearly lead top the oppression of men. Just like how getting rid of racist legislation against blacks will lead to enslavement of whites, how legalizing gay marriage is going to lead to child rape, bestiality and people being prosecuted for being straight and how having a decent minimum wage going to lead to COMMUNISM AND YOUR CHILDREN BEING MADE SLAVES TO THE GOVERNMENT! DYSTOPIAN FUTURE! BREAK DOWN OF FAMILY VALUES! SANCTIONED MIND CONTROL! DEATH OF CIVILIZED SOCIETY! WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!

....

Ok I'm done

 

[Nyaliva]

I would say "Just wait it out, soon these people and everyone who listens to them will be dead!" but I'm afraid that they'll be so "worried about the state of the country" that they'll work as hard as they can to implant themselves into androids and run the USA forever.

As to the "Women's role in the household" conversation, I think that phrase alone sends the wrong message. I think it's entirely up to the couple themselves to decide who makes the money and who stays home with the kids. As long as the children aren't negatively impacted in some terrible way, I don't think there really is a "Women's role in the household." Women have generally been the stay at home parent because a) they provide the food for the first 18(?) months and b) they do have the inherent abilities to look after the child they gave birth to (whether they get it from genetics, an emotional link or their mother's role in their own lives is still up for debate). If the mother has a drive to forge a career and the father has the adequate skills needed, there's nothing wrong with the woman bringing home the bread. Not to mention I'm sure there are enough women who make/made terrible mothers and completely screwed up their kids.

Notice how that entire argument falls on the basis that the couple has children. I would love to hear the Fox News guys argument as to why the woman in a childless marriage earning the most money is a bad thing. They'd probably say that they aren't properly fulfilling their role by not having children or something stupid like that. Yeah, because a couple that physically can't have children for medical reasons are just being selfish. Sorry, I'll shut up now.

 

[FalloutJack]

Oh look, Fox said something stupid aga- THIS IS NOT NEWS!!!