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Seldon2639

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"What came first, the music or the misery? People worry about kids playing with guns, or watching violent videos; that some culture of violence will take them over. Nobody worries about kids listening to thousands, literally thousands, of songs about heartbreak, rejection, pain, misery, and loss. Did I listen to pop music because I was miserable, or was I miserable because I listened to pop music?"

This immortal monologue from High Fidelity (the opening of which was aped, sadly, by Fall Out Boy) sums up how I've come to feel about music in general, and act as a preface for my heartfelt plea for the evening.

Can we stop calling music "emo" as though that by itself was a bad thing? I know, I know, "emo" doesn't just mean "emotional music" but is an entire subgenre focused on heavy self-pity, angst, and screaming. Here's the thing, though, we blur that line a lot. We apply the "emo" label to almost any band the average age of which is under thirty and which isn't pop of some form. We've come up with about fifteen different distinctions (emo-punk, screamo, emo-pop) to try to delineate between different "types" of emo. Can we just do away with the "emo" portion of that?

All music is emotional in nature. To become a great artist, you have to be miserable. Most every song you hear outside of pop or dance/techno/trance is about some form of emotion. It can be happy, it can be sad, it can be morose, it can be melancholy, but it's all "emo". We just don't call bands we like by that title, because we can look past the melodrama, past the angst, to the parts we enjoy.

I'm not a particular fan of most popular teen bands, but I can name any number of bands I really like which are just as melodramatic and angsty as even the worst emo song. Kate Nash is a good example.
 

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I think you got cut out...

OT: Or... you could not worry about it and listen to the music you like regardless? I've given up on radio(finally) and just stick with the music I've come to love over the years. Everything's much better when you block out other peoples' opinions or systems and just listen to or do what you please (For the most part, at least..)
 

A Weary Exile

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There are plenty of songs that aren't depressing, you just have to look in the right place. For instance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JErVP6xLZwg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5IIXeR5OUI

Those are just to examples, although I agree most modern music is mostly about the singer breaking up with their girlfriend or some such nonsense, but I ignore modern music mostly seeing as it sucks donkey balls.

EDIT: Whoops! Posted a BioShock video by mistake. :p
 

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what are you trying to say? i hate emo music, it is a bad thing. it is its own subgenre that has infected good genres like metal and others like a cancer. its music made by kids that make problems of their own accord.
 

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You want some happy music listen to japanese stuff. Thats what I've done. To me most of it just a a certain cheerfulness to it, even the metal.
 

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wouldyoukindly99 said:
Those are just to examples, although I agree most modern music is mostly about the singer breaking up with their girlfriend or some such nonsense, but I ignore modern music mostly seeing as it sucks donkey balls.
if you listen to modern music, listen to european music. its much better. and theres no kanye west.
 

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wouldyoukindly99 said:
There are plenty of songs that aren't depressing, you just have to look in the right place. For instance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vys7bCQHKTI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5IIXeR5OUI

Those are just to examples, although I agree most modern music is mostly about the singer breaking up with their girlfriend or some such nonsense, but I ignore modern music mostly seeing as it sucks donkey balls.
haha most of it does at that. The true gold lies in the classics (classic rock that is, in my opinion). haha and I dare anyone to tell me Aerosmith isn't an upbeat band!
 

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CORRODED SIN said:
wouldyoukindly99 said:
Those are just to examples, although I agree most modern music is mostly about the singer breaking up with their girlfriend or some such nonsense, but I ignore modern music mostly seeing as it sucks donkey balls.
if you listen to modern music, listen to european music. its much better. and theres no kanye west.
Are you suggesting European metal? If you are, I dislike metal just as much as pop or rap.
 

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Agreed, "emo" is a slightly improper name and it's thrown around a LOT because of it's vagueness. Most of the greatest rock in the world is emotional, and they sometimes get the term "emo" thrown at them for no better reason then people not getting what it's actually about.

Though if that term was let go we would have to find something new to describe whiny songs about how tortuous the lives of middle class white 20somethings are when their girlfriend overdosed on makeup and Ecstasy while their underwear is so tight it squishes their testicles into vacuum packed raisins.
 

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sarcastic said:
Agreed, "emo" is a slightly improper name and it's thrown around a LOT because of it's vagueness. Most of the greatest rock in the world is emotional, and they sometimes get the term "emo" thrown at them for no better reason then people not getting what it's actually about.

Though if that term was let go we would have to find something new to describe whiny songs about how tortuous the lives of middle class white 20somethings are when their girlfriend overdosed on makeup and Ecstasy while their underwear is so tight it squishes their testicles into vacuum packed raisins.
christ what do you listen to? if you say country, [/thread] now.
 

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Seldon2639 said:
Oh, I agree with almost entirely with your sentiments here and even thought of doing a similar post myself. I don't necessarily think one has to be miserable to be a great artist, though. But yeah, good music, like all good art, is as much emotional correspondence as it is intellectual. I don't see any reason attacking music for that reason.

It's about what particular variety of emotions and way of expressing them makes you feel like someone else out there "gets it" whether it is a conscious realization or not. Be that in terms of lyrics or the melody and the beat or any combination thereof.

I think it's just that older people hate teenagers because they're ruining the world, y'know. And I know some teenagers hate other teenagers for it too, because they feel the need to elevate themselves by being marginal. These are not the only reasons of course, some people just think the music sucks, but I often feel like there's so much unwarranted anger towards something that harms no one and in fact helps other people get through the day.
 

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Bilbo536 said:
wouldyoukindly99 said:
There are plenty of songs that aren't depressing, you just have to look in the right place. For instance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vys7bCQHKTI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5IIXeR5OUI

Those are just to examples, although I agree most modern music is mostly about the singer breaking up with their girlfriend or some such nonsense, but I ignore modern music mostly seeing as it sucks donkey balls.
haha most of it does at that. The true gold lies in the classics (classic rock that is, in my opinion). haha and I dare anyone to tell me Aerosmith isn't an upbeat band!
Yes sir, classic rock is where it's at my boy, no band will ever stack up to the masters of music.

Aerosmith is an ubeat band (Save for a few songs) and they have a lot of not-so-subtle sexual innuendo in their songs. :p
 

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Not all music is Emo. Emo is defined as specficly the negative sides of the emotional range. It usually includes basicly bitching for a four minute track. A lot of good music barely even mentions sadness, or emotion at all.
 

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Well, no, all music isn't emo. Sure, the word "emo" is short for "emotional", but when one uses the word "emo", they are referring to a specific type of emotion, and in musical cases, a specific type of music. If you refer to happy music as being "emo", you're using the word incorrectly. It's a type of slang which has a particular meaning, and yes it gets thrown around a lot and a lot of people misuse it, but it does have a definition (albeit vague). So, as far as I'm concerned, the OP is wrong in its assertion "all music is emo" - all music contains some form of emotion, but not all music is "emo".
 

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CORRODED SIN said:
sarcastic said:
Agreed, "emo" is a slightly improper name and it's thrown around a LOT because of it's vagueness. Most of the greatest rock in the world is emotional, and they sometimes get the term "emo" thrown at them for no better reason then people not getting what it's actually about.

Though if that term was let go we would have to find something new to describe whiny songs about how tortuous the lives of middle class white 20somethings are when their girlfriend overdosed on makeup and Ecstasy while their underwear is so tight it squishes their testicles into vacuum packed raisins.
christ what do you listen to? if you say country, [/thread] now.
HAHA, no. Country... .... ...isn't my... thing.

I listen to: Pearl Jam, Trail of Dead, The Tea Party, Audioslave, Rage Against the Machine, Counting Crows, Foo Fighters etc.

That and Electronic, some folk and indi artists. All of which write emotional music.
 

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Well I like Emo if you fancy calling it that. Cos Fall Out Boy are my favourite Band.
 

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sarcastic said:
CORRODED SIN said:
sarcastic said:
Agreed, "emo" is a slightly improper name and it's thrown around a LOT because of it's vagueness. Most of the greatest rock in the world is emotional, and they sometimes get the term "emo" thrown at them for no better reason then people not getting what it's actually about.

Though if that term was let go we would have to find something new to describe whiny songs about how tortuous the lives of middle class white 20somethings are when their girlfriend overdosed on makeup and Ecstasy while their underwear is so tight it squishes their testicles into vacuum packed raisins.
christ what do you listen to? if you say country, [/thread] now.
HAHA, no. Country... .... ...isn't my... thing.

I listen to: Pearl Jam, Trail of Dead, The Tea Party, Audioslave, Rage Against the Machine, Counting Crows, Foo Fighters etc.

That and Electronic, some folk and indi artists. All of which write emotional music.
lol. ok, ok. just checkin. (oh, country xD)
 

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I had a friend once try to use a similiar flawed argument that AC/DC was screamo. I nearly beat his ass right there. Emo is a specific genre, and like any broad genre, it has spawned its own sub-genres. So no, not all music is emo, and you should an hero yourself for liking it. Lyrics about how your parents grounded you and your psychotic, teenage girlfriend dumped you over trivial bullshit do not constitute meaningful music. Emo must die.

(All hail Metal)
 

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Classical music in insanely emotional, every single piece seems to create and been influenced by an emotion of some kind.
 

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"Emo" isn't hating yourself, its feeling your music. The media, along with people who like to think they know what they are talking about, have turned "emo" into a negative thing.

Jimmy Eat World is emo, My Chemical Romance is not.

Emo broke into mainstream culture in the early 2000s with the platinum-selling success of Jimmy Eat World and Dashboard Confessional and the emergence of the more aggressive subgenre "screamo". In recent years the term "emo" has been applied by critics and journalists to a variety of artists, including multiplatinum acts such as Fall Out Boy and My Chemical Romance and disparate groups such as Coheed and Cambria and Panic at the Disco.
I post this again from Wikipedia. "Emo", or what you all seem to think is emo, is a product of the media. The actual genre is different.

The more you know!

Let me try once more.

Bashing emo is like bashing Twilight, you think it makes you look cool but you really just come off as a dick in the long run.