Am About to play Mass Effect 3

[BloatedGuppy]

Anecdotal evidence is only invalid when it's about experience "someone else, somewhere else that I've heard of" had.

That's not what anecdotal means. Where did you come up with this? As Draech implies, you are in fact using anecdotal evidence. It makes absolutely no difference whatsoever if it's your experience, or someone else's. It's still anecdotal. And it's anecdotal with a sample size of one, which makes it even less compelling.

My money is on "If you arn't already in the mob, then you will be ok with it" since I am under the impression that it is mob rule taking over.

I think you're right to SOME extent, in that the VOLUME of the outrage is largely driven by people constantly reinforcing one another's confirmation biases when it comes to the quality of the ending. If you go to the internet disliking or even just feeling uneasy about the ending, you're likely going to come away LOATHING it after reading some of the available commentary, much of which is extraordinarily negative.

However, no one inclined to like the ending is going to abruptly switch their opinion because they're confronted by a mob. That's not really how bias or opinion polarization works. If anything, anyone predisposed to like the ending tends to take the perspective that the ending was FANTASTIC and that anyone who didn't understand it was STUPID when confronted by ending haters.

If the ending was more or less 50/50 in terms of reaction to it, I think you'd see a lot more of a broken base, with entrenched camps on either side alternatively battering and praising the ending. As the commentary regarding the ending has been almost overwhelmingly negative, however, with pro-Bioware support aimed more at attacking complainers than endorsing the ending, I think it's safe to operate on the assumption that the ending was something of a consensus failure. The only stats we have support this, with about 90% against the ending. Those stats are self selecting, and ergo not scientifically rigorous in the least degree, but they're propped up by anecdotal experience.

Anyway I'm rambling.

 

[Abedeus]

Wrong.

Anecdotal evidence is only invalid when it's about experience "someone else, somewhere else that I've heard of" had.

What I gave is my experience.

*facepalm*

Anecdotal evidence is invalid because individual examples are completely meaningless to statistics as a whole. That doesn't change if it's you or your best friend's sister's dog that had the experience.
It's true that the latter is even less valid, but that doesn't suddenly make the former valid instead.

Obviously SOME people dislike the endings of their own volition, as some people had to be the ones who started the hate craze. You just happen to be one of those few. What Draech was saying was that he personally believes that, even though a few people dislike it on their own, most people would be okay with it without the input of the internet hate craze.
Your single anecdote doesn't change that in the slightest.

Okay, then his anecdotal evidence is valid, I guess.

Whatever you guys say.

And it's not some people. It's probably the majority of people. Judge it by any means - Reddit, BSN, PAX panel. You can always pull the "vocal minority" card, but that's not a very good argument.

I like how his "Iguess" or "I believe" is better than my anecdote. Didn't know one bad argument can be better than another bad argument.

 

[The Heik]

OK, so My copy of Mass Effect 3 comes tomorrow, And I've managed to avoid having the ending spoiled for me so far, all I know is that it is apparently disappointing to the point where my comrades-in-arms are all polymorphed into Giant Squids of Anger. What I have to ask is this.

Is all the rage justified? I mean really, unbiased, objectively is the ending THAT BAD that it deserves this kind of unified outrage? I don't think i've ever seen such a massive fallout from how an otherwise much loved series failure.

Thoughts?

The game, up until the ending, is honestly one of Bioware's best products. The visual aesthetics are the best in the series, the dialogue now is incredible natural and flowing, combat is a nice balance of tactics and abilities that forces you to think about what team you use without railroading you into having to combo attacks all the time, and the whole atmosphere of the game gives a great sense of desperation, which considering the context of the game, makes it almost feel real as a result. However, that makes the ending all the more disappointing because it does not hold up to these levels of quality.

From an objective standpoint there are several things wrong with the ending. It's full of plot and logic holes, it uses outdated and lazy methods to conclude the series, and it blatantly ignores the primary themes of the series. No matter what side of the argument someone is on, these are still clear and measurable fuck-ups on Bioware's part.

Ultimately though, it's still up to you to decide, though it's a good bet that if you've played the other two ME games, then ME3's ending is going to have far more adverse effects on you vs. having just started the series with it.

 

[Maze1125]

Wrong.

Anecdotal evidence is only invalid when it's about experience "someone else, somewhere else that I've heard of" had.

What I gave is my experience.

*facepalm*

Anecdotal evidence is invalid because individual examples are completely meaningless to statistics as a whole. That doesn't change if it's you or your best friend's sister's dog that had the experience.
It's true that the latter is even less valid, but that doesn't suddenly make the former valid instead.

Obviously SOME people dislike the endings of their own volition, as some people had to be the ones who started the hate craze. You just happen to be one of those few. What Draech was saying was that he personally believes that, even though a few people dislike it on their own, most people would be okay with it without the input of the internet hate craze.
Your single anecdote doesn't change that in the slightest.

Okay, then his anecdotal evidence is valid, I guess.

Whatever you guys say.

And it's not some people. It's probably the majority of people. Judge it by any means - Reddit, BSN, PAX panel. You can always pull the "vocal minority" card, but that's not a very good argument.

I like how his "Iguess" or "I believe" is better than my anecdote. Didn't know one bad argument can be better than another bad argument.

He gave an opinion, presented it as such, and even explicitly said that he could be wrong.

You explicitly said he was wrong, presented it as a fact and gave no leeway for any possibility that your case might have been an exception.

Can you really not see the difference between those two cases, and how one might require less evidence backing it up than the other?

 

[Vault101]

The game is above average. The ending is horrible.

Really, let's all be honest. It's wasn't like this was the second coming of Christ or what-have-you. It did nothing better than some of its contemporaries in any of the genres you can compare it to, and had some ridiculously bad decision making throughout.

Note: This is coming from a non-fan, but an avid gamer. I think everyone is viewing the damn game with rose-tinted glasses. I was wholly unimpressed by the game on almost every level.

No

all things considered ,the game was amazing...FOR ME, It did not dissapoint my expectations,

best game EVAR? I have no Idea, probably not

do I give a fuck? NO

the wonderful thing about is that we dont all have to have the same opionions as defined by some kind of "standard" or "scale"

in other words why shoudl I feel as "meh" about it as you?

 

[Acton Hank]

To quote MrBtounge on youtube: "I cannot fathom what kind of decision making process could have produced such quality and such faliure in such close proximity".

Also this:
http://www.google.it/imgres?q=mass+effect+3+morpheus+ending&hl=it&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=TwO&rls=org.mozilla:en-GBfficial&biw=1280&bih=707&tbm=isch&tbnid=_XgCO0Iff0fDGM:&imgrefurl=http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.com/forum/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D46%26t%3D27724%26start%3D570&docid=mqK3YIW2MFGZJM&itg=1&imgurl=http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/272/516/477.jpg&w=682&h=536&ei=qkaIT46vOcLm4QTx0LDnCQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=599&vpy=282&dur=1891&hovh=199&hovw=253&tx=30&ty=223&sig=108380442058309431303&page=1&tbnh=150&tbnw=184&start=0&ndsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:12,s:0,i:90

Oh and to anyone who says the journey is more important than the conclusion, while that's true for some, it's not true for everyone:
http://www.google.it/imgres?q=mass+effect+3+ending+morpheus&hl=it&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=Wnj&rls=org.mozilla:en-GBfficial&biw=1280&bih=707&tbm=isch&tbnid=ukxleaC2l1vp2M:&imgrefurl=http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/279173-mass-effect-3-endings-reception&docid=9ga0v7JxCcr4AM&imgurl=http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/279/173/5b9.jpg&w=492&h=412&ei=gkmIT6mFC83Nswbf0pn4Cg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=849&vpy=148&dur=5963&hovh=205&hovw=245&tx=43&ty=225&sig=108380442058309431303&page=4&tbnh=163&tbnw=220&start=58&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:58,i:204

 

[BloatedGuppy]

To quote MrBtounge on youtube: "I cannot fathom what kind of decision making process could have produced such quality and such faliure in such close proximity".

Also this:
http://www.google.it/imgres?q=mass+effect+3+morpheus+ending&hl=it&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=TwO&rls=org.mozilla:en-GBfficial&biw=1280&bih=707&tbm=isch&tbnid=_XgCO0Iff0fDGM:&imgrefurl=http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.com/forum/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D46%26t%3D27724%26start%3D570&docid=mqK3YIW2MFGZJM&itg=1&imgurl=http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/272/516/477.jpg&w=682&h=536&ei=qkaIT46vOcLm4QTx0LDnCQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=599&vpy=282&dur=1891&hovh=199&hovw=253&tx=30&ty=223&sig=108380442058309431303&page=1&tbnh=150&tbnw=184&start=0&ndsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:12,s:0,i:90

Oh and to anyone who says the journey is more important than the conclusion, while that's true for some, it's not true for everyone:
http://www.google.it/imgres?q=mass+effect+3+ending+morpheus&hl=it&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=Wnj&rls=org.mozilla:en-GBfficial&biw=1280&bih=707&tbm=isch&tbnid=ukxleaC2l1vp2M:&imgrefurl=http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/279173-mass-effect-3-endings-reception&docid=9ga0v7JxCcr4AM&imgurl=http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/279/173/5b9.jpg&w=492&h=412&ei=gkmIT6mFC83Nswbf0pn4Cg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=849&vpy=148&dur=5963&hovh=205&hovw=245&tx=43&ty=225&sig=108380442058309431303&page=4&tbnh=163&tbnw=220&start=58&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:58,i:204

Good grief, man. Was TinyURL down when you wrote this post? My freakin' eyes.

 

[Abedeus]

Wrong.

Anecdotal evidence is only invalid when it's about experience "someone else, somewhere else that I've heard of" had.

What I gave is my experience.

*facepalm*

Anecdotal evidence is invalid because individual examples are completely meaningless to statistics as a whole. That doesn't change if it's you or your best friend's sister's dog that had the experience.
It's true that the latter is even less valid, but that doesn't suddenly make the former valid instead.

Obviously SOME people dislike the endings of their own volition, as some people had to be the ones who started the hate craze. You just happen to be one of those few. What Draech was saying was that he personally believes that, even though a few people dislike it on their own, most people would be okay with it without the input of the internet hate craze.
Your single anecdote doesn't change that in the slightest.

Okay, then his anecdotal evidence is valid, I guess.

Whatever you guys say.

And it's not some people. It's probably the majority of people. Judge it by any means - Reddit, BSN, PAX panel. You can always pull the "vocal minority" card, but that's not a very good argument.

I like how his "Iguess" or "I believe" is better than my anecdote. Didn't know one bad argument can be better than another bad argument.

He gave an opinion, presented it as such, and even explicitly said that he could be wrong.

You explicitly said he was wrong, presented it as a fact and gave no leeway for any possibility that your case might have been an exception.

Can you really not see the difference between those two cases, and how one might require less evidence backing it up than the other?

He stated his opinion as if it was fact, i.e. "I think everyone who hates the ending does it because of group mentality", and I pretty much proved him wrong based on MY opinion that was "I hated the ending before the whole Retake thing or before half of the world even played the game".

Then it was something about me being unable to.. prove that I played the game before? Or that I finished it before 9th of March? Don't know, don't care.

All I know is you think my opinion is worse than his opinion. So I'm pretty much done talking to you.

 

[SomebodyNowhere]

just play the game and enjoy it. I was a little worried when I got close to the end but once it was over I realized that there wasn't really anything to worry about and most of the people are just overreacting.

 

[godofallu]

My roommate thought the ending was good, I found it really predictable.

Honestly it ended exactly like I thought it would. Not bad but not good.

It's too bad you had to hear about the ending before experiencing it. Now you have no chance of forming an unbiased opinion.

 

[370999]

Honestly avoiding hyperbole, IMHO, the ending doesn't work, it fails to communicate what I wanted to and instead opens up a huge amount of questions. So it is pretty dire. Really really dire. But some people don't mind it, indeed I think one or two people like it.

Really I think part of it depends on investment, if you find the ME series to be so so then you won't mind too much. If you really liked them, bought the merchandise, etc, you will probably feel insulted by it.

 

[Anti Nudist Cupcake]

OK, so My copy of Mass Effect 3 comes tomorrow, And I've managed to avoid having the ending spoiled for me so far, all I know is that it is apparently disappointing to the point where my comrades-in-arms are all polymorphed into Giant Squids of Anger. What I have to ask is this.

Is all the rage justified? I mean really, unbiased, objectively is the ending THAT BAD that it deserves this kind of unified outrage? I don't think i've ever seen such a massive fallout from how an otherwise much loved series failure.

Thoughts?

I was like you once. I hadn't played the game yet, heard about the badness of the ending. I decided "I am not going in this game expecting the best ending in the universe, if it's fine then it's fine, won't bother me. How bad could they have done it?". So I imported my custom shep after doing some tweaking to get past the bug that prevents that and played all the way to the ending.

As I said, I didn't expect much but I was STILL EXTREMELY UNDERWHELMED, followed by great disappointment. Even though I expected nothing.Yep, that bad.

 

[Rapamaha]

42hours of nerdgasm and last 10minutes complete shit

 

[Maze1125]

Wrong.

Anecdotal evidence is only invalid when it's about experience "someone else, somewhere else that I've heard of" had.

What I gave is my experience.

*facepalm*

Anecdotal evidence is invalid because individual examples are completely meaningless to statistics as a whole. That doesn't change if it's you or your best friend's sister's dog that had the experience.
It's true that the latter is even less valid, but that doesn't suddenly make the former valid instead.

Obviously SOME people dislike the endings of their own volition, as some people had to be the ones who started the hate craze. You just happen to be one of those few. What Draech was saying was that he personally believes that, even though a few people dislike it on their own, most people would be okay with it without the input of the internet hate craze.
Your single anecdote doesn't change that in the slightest.

Okay, then his anecdotal evidence is valid, I guess.

Whatever you guys say.

And it's not some people. It's probably the majority of people. Judge it by any means - Reddit, BSN, PAX panel. You can always pull the "vocal minority" card, but that's not a very good argument.

I like how his "Iguess" or "I believe" is better than my anecdote. Didn't know one bad argument can be better than another bad argument.

He gave an opinion, presented it as such, and even explicitly said that he could be wrong.

You explicitly said he was wrong, presented it as a fact and gave no leeway for any possibility that your case might have been an exception.

Can you really not see the difference between those two cases, and how one might require less evidence backing it up than the other?

He stated his opinion as if it was fact, i.e. "I think everyone who hates the ending does it because of group mentality", and I pretty much proved him wrong based on MY opinion that was "I hated the ending before the whole Retake thing or before half of the world even played the game".

Then it was something about me being unable to.. prove that I played the game before? Or that I finished it before 9th of March? Don't know, don't care.

All I know is you think my opinion is worse than his opinion. So I'm pretty much done talking to you.

Except he didn't say that at all.

A far more accurate paraphrasing would be:
"I think most who hate the ending do because of group mentality, but I could be wrong."
Do you honestly not see the difference between that and
"I think everyone who hates the ending does it because of group mentality."?

And no, I don't think his opinion is better than yours.
I think your claim that his opinion is wrong is based on fallacious reasoning. And that's not a matter of opinion at all.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

Is all the rage justified? I mean really, unbiased, objectively is the ending THAT BAD that it deserves this kind of unified outrage? I don't think i've ever seen such a massive fallout from how an otherwise much loved series failure.
Thoughts?

Is the rage justified? No.

Is the ending good? No.

It's a fairly dumb ending, but I honestly don't know how or why people were expecting anything different. No matter what EA/Bioware said about the game, it HAD to only have one ending. Modern video game manufacturing dictates it. Anyone who really believed that there would be multiple different endings doesn't understand how games are made today.

Could the ending have been better written? Yeah.

Could it truly have reflected all your choices? No.

So basically, go in expecting the ending to not be very good. Don't go in expecting huge reflections of what you've done up to this point (the entire rest of the game handles that very well - your actions determine lots of stuff up until the last ten or so minutes of the game - at which point everyone gets the same stuff). Also, be ready for some (fairly stupid, and obviously programming-before-plot based) plot holes.

Mass Effect 3 is one of the best games you'll ever play. Enjoy it. And remember, do ALL side-quests possible before you do ANY Priority (read Plot) missions.

Go into the end with lowered expectations, and you should be fine.

The ending sucks, but it doesn't suck enough to hurt the rest of the game (people who say otherwise, I am convince, are being intentionally dumb to justify their ran-rage).

 

[Kron_the_mad wants to be deleted]

did you play the original deus ex? the last 10 minutes is the ending from that but depressing and doesn't fit into the narrative of the game at all. Essentially decide if you like red green or blue and prepare to be confused, insulted and enraged... then remember that you spent money to feel that...

 

[Acton Hank]

To quote MrBtounge on youtube: "I cannot fathom what kind of decision making process could have produced such quality and such faliure in such close proximity".

Also this:
http://www.google.it/imgres?q=mass+effect+3+morpheus+ending&hl=it&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=TwO&rls=org.mozilla:en-GBfficial&biw=1280&bih=707&tbm=isch&tbnid=_XgCO0Iff0fDGM:&imgrefurl=http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.com/forum/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D46%26t%3D27724%26start%3D570&docid=mqK3YIW2MFGZJM&itg=1&imgurl=http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/272/516/477.jpg&w=682&h=536&ei=qkaIT46vOcLm4QTx0LDnCQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=599&vpy=282&dur=1891&hovh=199&hovw=253&tx=30&ty=223&sig=108380442058309431303&page=1&tbnh=150&tbnw=184&start=0&ndsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:12,s:0,i:90

Oh and to anyone who says the journey is more important than the conclusion, while that's true for some, it's not true for everyone:
http://www.google.it/imgres?q=mass+effect+3+ending+morpheus&hl=it&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=Wnj&rls=org.mozilla:en-GBfficial&biw=1280&bih=707&tbm=isch&tbnid=ukxleaC2l1vp2M:&imgrefurl=http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/279173-mass-effect-3-endings-reception&docid=9ga0v7JxCcr4AM&imgurl=http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/279/173/5b9.jpg&w=492&h=412&ei=gkmIT6mFC83Nswbf0pn4Cg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=849&vpy=148&dur=5963&hovh=205&hovw=245&tx=43&ty=225&sig=108380442058309431303&page=4&tbnh=163&tbnw=220&start=58&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:58,i:204

Good grief, man. Was TinyURL down when you wrote this post? My freakin' eyes.

Sorry, I would post pictures if my crappy pc would let me.

 

[gordonsinext]

It's pretty damn bad, I didn't really feel angry about the ending at first because it didn't make any sense, and then I went online and found out it wasn't just me who didn't know what happened. It felt like there wasn't really an ending at all, the game got to the point where I felt "Good, awesome ending, bittersweet, kind of peaceful, time for an epilogue." and then the bullshit began. Basically it was Bioware/EA not letting me finish the game that made me angry, 100+ hours of awesomeness and then I got blueballed in the last ten minutes does not a happy camper make.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

Honestly avoiding hyperbole, IMHO, the ending doesn't work, it fails to communicate what I wanted to and instead opens up a huge amount of questions. So it is pretty dire. Really really dire. But some people don't mind it, indeed I think one or two people like it.

Really I think part of it depends on investment, if you find the ME series to be so so then you won't mind too much. If you really liked them, bought the merchandise, etc, you will probably feel insulted by it.

Wow - a very well stated response. With one flaw - I am very invested in the series, I own merchandise, all the novels, and developed a table top RPG version of ME.

I found the ending disappointing, but I saw what they were going for. So your "investment" idea doesn't really work.

The real issue, I find, is that a lot of people aren't willing to try to understand what Casey Hudson was going for. When you say it fails to communicate, I think that was a brilliant way to say it - but if you go back and pick through it, there are some good ideas there. They're just presented really badly.

The other issue is people not understanding that the personal choices of the player could really ONLY be shown before the ending (as they are) or in an ending Epilogue (which Bioware is adding). Having them appear in the ending itself is not technically possible. There are too many variables - I mean, it literally took the ENTIRE REST OF THE GAME to go through them all. The branching endings, possible in older RPGs, just aren't possible in modern, fully voiced games.

Also, I've seen a lot of people who just aren't paying attention.

Spoiler: Game end details that most people seem to miss

Yes, it has previously been established that exploding relays are bad. However, the relays clearly are not exploding with the same force as in Arrival. Instead, they are shooting out a burst of energy, then self-destructing on a much smaller scale. No planets (or star systems) are being destroyed, no matter what the previous canon says. We see the radiation hit earth and (if your score is high enough) no ill effects occur. People cheer - they are not vaporized by the exploding relay.

A lot of people claim "relays destroy solar systems when destroyed, thus Shep just killed billions" but that clearly does NOT happen. Just because Arrival says that (and remember, everyone HATED arrival for it's silly plot) doesn't make it so. You can see that star systems are NOT being destroyed, so saying that they are is just fan-tantrum because the magical space glow-sticks behaved differently in DLC than in the main game. The fact that this isn't explained (or lamp-shaded) is an example of bad writing, but the insistence that things that are clearly shown to NOT have happened happened because of pre-established tech canon is a very silly reason to be upset.

Another point - the Normandy is using FTL drive (standard for flying around star systems) NOT making a Relay Jump. The blue glow around the ship is always seen during FTL (look out a window during any of the games to see it), and Relay jumps are nearly instantaneous (as seen during the Omega 4 Relay jump in ME2). So Joker wasn't fleeing the Sol system - he was just flying around.

Also, if the Normandy was just flying around, then the "shock wave" thing likely happened to the entire Fleet, not just the Normandy. Which means that the fleet/earth won't starve, because the fleet has been scattered across the entire Local Cluster. Plus, FTL still works (see the Normandy) so any ship that didn't crash into a planet (or whatever) should still work for local star travel. Any other ship from the fleet could pick the Normandy crew up. Or, for that matter, land there and collect food/resources.

And finally, the Reapers have been claiming that they were "saving" us since ME2. Harbinger repeatedly states that "you're only hurting yourselves" and "why do you resist salvation?" and other crazy sounding shit like that. Harbinger seems honestly confused why Shepard doesn't WANT to be turned into a Reaper. This is called foreshadowing people - when it was stated that the Reapers were preserving civilizations in Reaper form (ie, melting people down and turning them into Reapers to preserve their DNA) that made perfect sense with what we learned in ME2. The Reapers aren't killing everyone - they're "saving" them in the only way they know how. Is it stupid? Sure - but it's stupid in that super logical synthetic life sort of way that has been established in ME all along. Basically, every 50,000 years, the Reapers turn everyone into the organic/synthetic hybrids the only way they know how - making more Reapers. Anyone who says that THIS part of the ending was stupid or didn't make sense hasn't been paying attention - this part has been forshadowed the ENTIRE series up to this point. For me, this was the only GOOD part of the ending - it was the payoff I've been waiting for ever since I saw the Human Reaper in ME2.

A lot of people are dead-set that the Reaper's have been about killing everyone, and this "saving" them is introduced in the ending, but that isn't true at all. It was introduced on Horizon in ME2, the first time Harbinger talks to you. It is lampshaded at the time to make your think that the Collector General is talking about making people into husks, but we learn later than the Collector General can't actually talk - it is Harbinger, the Reaper, speaking through him about turning humans into Reapers.

Of course, this doesn't fill in ALL the plot holes - how did your crew members get back to the Normandy? Why did they go there? What exactly IS Joker doing (fleeing? Attempting a suicide-charge of a Reaper/the Citadel? Attempting to do a fly-by blast of a Reaper at insane FTL speeds?)? What is the situation on the Citadel (is everyone dead, or just those in the Presidium?

Nor does it deal with the "Shepard can't argue" issue (While I didn't have a problem being forced into 3 endings, it would have been nice if Shep could at least COMPLAIN about that fact. If Shepard could yell about it, and be told "too bad, you're stuck with it now" and be brought to a grudging acknowledgement, at least the player could feel like they tried to protest. As is, Shep just sort of doesn't care, which feels out of character.) And, as noted above, while plot-consistent, the Reaper logic is also AI-literal absurdist - Shep should be allowed to point that out rather than sit there and nod her head.

So yes, there are obvious flaws, and some really stupid ones, but the goal of the reapers and the destruction of the relays aren't bad. The relays don't blow up star systems and the reapers behave just like they did in ME2. People bitching about those two points really bug me, because THOSE people clearly weren't invested enough to pay attention to the foreshadowing or the cut-scene that shows the relays not exploding with the same force as in Arrival.

Wow, that spoiler tag got a lot longer than I planned. I'm just annoyed about the arguments presented therein. I am able to point out that those parts (while presented badly) were perfectly logical and plot worthy events because I am invested in the story.

Anyway... I've been writing this for like an hour, so I think I'll stop now.

Edit: Damn spoiler tag. **fixes**

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Well ya of course its all cool. They can both be dicks to each other and since we all know they will never be able to resist the next bioware game it all works out in the end.

I guess that's true. It's not like there's a long history of developers hitting a wall of declining sales and subsequently going out of business. Certainly not ones owned by EA, at any rate.