America's Wars
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Yeah, keep telling yourself that, maybe if you say it enough it'll make it true...heheRandom argument man post=18.71378.723179 said:
A little refresher, what is it that the US constitution says needs to be done for the US to go to war? Something like have a resolution passed by Congress or something?
On the subject of Canada, I think the only thing that bugs us more than our own crazies who don't realize the rest of us are just joking around when bugging US citizens are US citizens who don't realize we are joking around and get all serious and stuff - its not like we aren't friends, family, and fox hole companions. We'll wish you luck with evicting Bush and hope you wish us luck with evicting Harper.
On the subject of Canada, I think the only thing that bugs us more than our own crazies who don't realize the rest of us are just joking around when bugging US citizens are US citizens who don't realize we are joking around and get all serious and stuff - its not like we aren't friends, family, and fox hole companions. We'll wish you luck with evicting Bush and hope you wish us luck with evicting Harper.
Panspermia defeats your arguement and takes your Hat Of Sparkly (+1 intelligence)Amnestic post=18.71378.721396 said:
Panspermia uses the free action speech: "Ha!"
Panspermia retreats
You are dead
Well usually you guys seem to.. unless you're fighting a religious group like Afghanistans Taliban which is fundamentally unkillable because everytime the old ruler goes down a new one pops up more pissed about the old one going down which starts an unpleasent chain reaction which leads up to something of the nature of that nastyness 9-11. The war seemed to make sense then but now we're beginning to realize how hard it is to root out the groups like Al-Quaeda and the Taliban.
vietnam was not lost on the battlefield it was lost home, if you look at the casualties it was a slaughter of 5-1
Maybe I can help you;BallPtPenTheif post=18.71378.722202 said:
You pulled out of Vietnam. That counts as a retreat. A retreat is a LOSS.
It didn't matter how badly you were kicking the crap out of an under-developed country that's only sophisticated arms came from Russia, what matters is that the actions of your government had the potential to tear your country apart; the public were appalled at the executions, use of Agent Orange, incendiary bombs etc. - any politician that kept forces in Vietnam committed political suicide (see L.B.J.) and therefore the only choice was to retreat.
A retreat meant a victory for the commies, which was definitely a loss for the US Government.
As for Iraq and Saddam's forces - the Iraq 'war' isn't a war, it was a skirmish followed by a slaughter; there are over 100,000 civilian deaths now since the start of the Iraq War, and it is believed that the mere presence of the US forces increases the chances of a violent death for these civilians by 58 times.
The truth of the matter is, America has a habit of attacking small, less-developed countries that don't stand a chance of defending themselves, the only prominent exception being WW2; Germany wasn't weak, but in comparison to America, which had been making a hell of a lot of cash off the war, Germany certainly didn't have a good guarantee of victory.
I wouldn't really be making these points as bluntly if half of this topic didn't seem to be about glossing and polishing American history; giving it a nice shiny gleam that doesn't really cover the underlying facts. It is very easy to say you kicked a country's arse when the country in question can barely defend itself from a superpower.
Hiroshima is a good example; with Germany out of the picture the war was essentially over, but America still saw fit to drop an A-bomb on highly populated areas, on what seems today to be more an issue of pride rather than the loss of life at Pearl Harbour.
The following 'aid' is really just confirmation that terrible acts have been committed in the first place.
No, it implies beaten to shit. Which is all that America is really good at just ask an Iraqi, wait you can't because they are either dead or living in Syria.Eggo post=18.71378.722618 said:
Our military is a big crude destructive thing that is usually poorly equiped to actually acheive large scale diplomatic goals (ie, wining the war). However, it is really good at beating things to shit.
So only colonization is a WIN?Qayin post=18.71378.725248 said:
C'mon, the notion of win versus loss is juvenile and irrelevant at best. The intentions of wars are multiple diplomatic and geopolitical reasons. This isn't a football game and kill ratios aren't a score card...
I merely stated the kill ratio to demonstrate that Vietnam was "beaten to shit" and unfortunately the civilians there suffered the most. I reccomend watching "The Fog of War" to really understand why America's goals were misguided and ultimately failed.
The Queen is awesome. I take that picture and the accompanying "She owns you!" as a compliment.Taxi Driver post=18.71378.723058 said:O?, well then I apologize?I also apologize for this?
Why does everyone are against me...Cheeze_Pavilion post=18.71378.728738 said:
Stereotype: (Sociology). a simplified and standardized conception or image invested with special meaning and held in common by members of a group: The cowboy and Indian are American stereotypes.
Stereotype are not negative. It's having a conception about a person by a race, gender, nationality, etc.
You should look up the dictionary, before replying.
You did a stereotype yourself mister. "And certainly not typical of Canadians". Are you assuming that Canadians are only good? Sure, personnal experience can have a factor here, but you can not generalize with personal experience. You're gonna have a jerk, where ever you go.
For the "eh argument, If you actually do your history and social classes, you noticed that Canada's population is divided. The "eh" is not applied by all Canadians.
EDIT: By the way, If your gonna reply to one of my comments, please send a PM. I already derailled the thread enough at it is. (That goes for all of you).
Lol, come on dude, you can't seriously believe that 'it would have been unclear who actually won'. Sounds as if you have studied WW1 as well, so you surely know that the central powers did not stand a chance after America intervened.Beowulf DW post=18.71378.721477 said:
Don't make a quick rebuttal using the same phrasing as the other guy. It's not all that clever, and it makes you sound mocking.Cheeze_Pavilion post=18.71378.728954 said:
EDIT: Removed a bit of it. Not worth the backlash.
Wow, thank you for your attitude. But in our defense, an American can't play a game online without hearing some Brit or Frenchman whine and moan. Because some Half Life mod is definitely the appropriate place to discuss it. They just can't let it go.CanadianWolverine post=18.71378.723295 said:
Your question is almost exactly what our Constitution says must happen in case of war. However, shortly after our country was founded, the powers of the executive branch began to expand. That process went into overdrive after the modern Republican party came into being, and is now wildly out of control (with help from both parties). I'm tempted to rant, but I'll stop!
America had not been "making a hell of a lot of cash off the war." America had been wringing itself dry keeping the Allies afloat. You are referring to the boost our industrial complex received due to wartime mobilization, I take it. And that's fair enough. But the fact is, we did not make money on the war. We ran out of money. We had to print more just to buy oil. It's a common misconception.Qayin post=18.71378.725248 said:
On Hiroshima, the destruction was hardly unprecedented, and I note your hindsight is perfect. At the time things were not so clear. Even in hindsight, the most effective and humanitarian means of defeating Japan, many contend, would still have entailed massive destruction of shipping and infrastructure, and comparable loss of life.
Don't call it 'aid.' It was aid. Big difference. There was an injustice done, though: it was called war. It took place in Europe as well, which is why we poured money into Europe also. Remind me not to help others, as apparently some people find it offensive.