An Honest Question about Sharing
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To answer your questions in order:BQE said:
{1} Let me speak more direcctly on the facebook issue. It is not merely that I am not on facebook. It is that I havve no love of facebook at all. I firmly believe that phones, email, forums, and indeed live chat (both text and vocal) are enough sharing, and if you have a need to make a big display, this is what personal webpages were for before facebook. With that in mind, I don't feel that facing, tweeting, blogging, or much of similar are really necessary for me. (Note that I say me, because other people can do whatever they like, but I don't have to partake if I don't want to.) To put it even more bluntly, I wouldn't want the button because I don't want facebook. However, the fact that I'm not on means that I can overlook it without much concern. It's like GPS included on your phone when you don't drive. Not really a bother in that case.
{2} Surely, there are better ways to record bloopers and Let's Plays already.
According to this [http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/130221a_e.html] they are using Ustream.ZZoMBiE13 said:
Sony Press Release said:
Me too! Got some nice atmospheric ones with magic, and lanterns at night. Although I do resent that they felt the need to plaster the logo and copyright Capcom on there. And in fact this is also something I hope doesn't happen with the PS4 - some kind of Sony watermark or something would be unwelcome.piinyouri said:
OT: Looking forward to recording/screenshots, hoping Facebook and other social features will be completely optional. It would be immensely annoying to have to upload things through social media that I don't use for anything else.
The only problem I see with Sony's 'record your gameplay then upload to the web' features are that they haven't said anything (as far as I know) about editing. If it uploads directly to youtube/whereever then you will have completely unedited videos flooding the internet. Which will more than likely be a bit shit.
Am I the only person that actually don't share stuff? I have a facebook account but its mostly a sort of event planner and way of staying in contact with people for me. Not a place where I make random updates on my life or upload pictures of my poop. Perhaps because I don't assume people actually care.
I see this whole focus on sharing as extremely odd. If I do take a picture with my phone because I saw something awesome my instant thought isn't to share it on facebook. I just like to have of something awesome I saw. Perhaps I put it on my computer. If it was a really good picture maybe I'll have it framed (for murder). I don't throw it on the internet with some retarded caption. The same is true for video games. If I goof in an hilarious way I quietly chuckle to myself or have a laugh with whoever I'm playing with. I don't want to share it on the internet next to two million other similar videos.
Tell me I'm not some reclusive weirdo. Tell me I'm not the only one who just don't get sharing.
I see this whole focus on sharing as extremely odd. If I do take a picture with my phone because I saw something awesome my instant thought isn't to share it on facebook. I just like to have of something awesome I saw. Perhaps I put it on my computer. If it was a really good picture maybe I'll have it framed (for murder). I don't throw it on the internet with some retarded caption. The same is true for video games. If I goof in an hilarious way I quietly chuckle to myself or have a laugh with whoever I'm playing with. I don't want to share it on the internet next to two million other similar videos.
Tell me I'm not some reclusive weirdo. Tell me I'm not the only one who just don't get sharing.
I have no plans to use the PS4's sharing option --although it would be handy for capturing funny glitches-- but I don't really have a problem with it, either.
I've already got my Facebook News Feed filtered down to the point where I only get updates from about ten of the 200 people I have on it, so as long as the PS4 similarly lets me turn off any and all notifications from people who are using the share features, everything's hunky dory.
I've already got my Facebook News Feed filtered down to the point where I only get updates from about ten of the 200 people I have on it, so as long as the PS4 similarly lets me turn off any and all notifications from people who are using the share features, everything's hunky dory.
I've got a facebook profile, but I hardly ever use it, and most people on my friends list are family or people I used to go to school with I stopped having anything to do the day we finished. And most of my real world friends have little to no interest in gaming, let alone what I just did (Unless it's some funny car crash in GTA 4, or epic jump from a plane to a vehicle I had attached underneath in Just Cause 2...things that are generally entertaining luck, instead of skill-based). So it's wasted on me.
Personally I'm bothered when people share progress or achievements in games on social media. Nobody cares, and that's why I don't do it.
But I do like the idea of being able to save stupid things that may have happened and show em to friends, but I'm fine with just showin them the clip on the tv. I don't need a share button for it, just the option to locally save gameplay. I just think a whole button for it is overkill; nobody reaaaaally needs it that much, nor can I imagine will use it enough.
But I do like the idea of being able to save stupid things that may have happened and show em to friends, but I'm fine with just showin them the clip on the tv. I don't need a share button for it, just the option to locally save gameplay. I just think a whole button for it is overkill; nobody reaaaaally needs it that much, nor can I imagine will use it enough.
The thing is, if I want to share something, I will do so manually rather than just hitting a share button to plonk it on Facebook or whatever in the most impersonal manner possible. I don't generally feel inclined to shove everything I find interesting or amusing down the nearest social network, but when I do I might as well put a bit of effort into it.
Well, I don't quite see the fun bit of these new 'sharing' features yet. All I want to share is, at most, my games, and I can already do that on PS3, albeit in a more limited form than it used to be. Still, it allows me to share my bought and installed games either with another PS3 in the house, or with a family member or a friend somewhere on this planet. That's great. Microsoft's idea of sharing games in the 'family' setting sounds... complicated? Confusing? Didn't quite comprehend their plans yet.
I think any and all of these 'share' features are aimed at and pandering to a generation raised into an I WANT IT AND I WANT IT NAOW! mindset. All information, disinformation, entertainment and porn is freely available on teh interwebz. They don't do books no more, Google, Bing and whatever randomly installs itself onto their computers will have to do.
They are bound to share their insignificant crap like crazy, and misanthropy will again be but a single click away.
Then again, I am interested in what can be discovered on the boundaries of the intended use scenario. Let's try it on for size first, then come back here to complain or tell each other how great it is.
I think any and all of these 'share' features are aimed at and pandering to a generation raised into an I WANT IT AND I WANT IT NAOW! mindset. All information, disinformation, entertainment and porn is freely available on teh interwebz. They don't do books no more, Google, Bing and whatever randomly installs itself onto their computers will have to do.
They are bound to share their insignificant crap like crazy, and misanthropy will again be but a single click away.
Then again, I am interested in what can be discovered on the boundaries of the intended use scenario. Let's try it on for size first, then come back here to complain or tell each other how great it is.
Aye, that's how I handled it up to now and that's how I intend to go on handling it.Evil Moo said:
Then again, let's see what happens... open up a randomly named Facebook account, buy some thousand followers, start sharing stuff. Something about Facebook still seems to make the marketing folks drool, let's find out what it is they're seeing in their wet fever dreams. Let's lure them out in the open. Let's study their peculiar behaviour.
I would never share my gaming-related stuff on Facebook, neither my business Facebook nor my private Facebook nor my up and running social interaction Facebook. That would be... cross contamination, and I don't like that. I like things neat and tidy and under control.
Facebook is hardly under control. Facebook should have its own DSM-5 entry.
The only thing it makes me think is that I'm going to have to take time out of my day to DISABLE this stuff so my personal life is not constantly broadcast into the æther. This ofcourse while I want to spend that time playing games.
My life is not the Truman show, and I like it that way.
Also, sharing everything in general creates situations where after not having seen eachother for a week two people can sit at a table and not have anything to talk about. Enthousiastically telling a story only to be met by "yeah I saw it on your facebook when I was waiting for my train" is a scene I see too much around me these days. I know the "shallow human relations" argument has been done to death in relation to social media but ever since a large wave of facebook deletions took hold of my social group the parties have been a lot more lively. People actually have days worth of experiences to talk about to eachother, setting up fun discussions and exchanges and enabling the more talented to entertain the partygoers with their stories.
I want to share, because sharing personally with people is a significant interaction for social and emotional health. Broadcasting on facebook, twitter and other avenues are not significant interactions and they undermine the joy to be had in real interactions.
I can see a niche of users who make letsplay videos, reviews and walkthroughs already that might get some use out of it. However these people already have a large availability of options to record, edit and playback.
Edit: almost forgot.. unfiltered broadcasting of everything can get you into trouble. People get arrested for tweets with threatening language, written while frustrated about something. One friend got financially cut off by his family because somebody else posted a picture of him kissing a dude in a gay bar. He was not out and his family hardline religious.
My life is not the Truman show, and I like it that way.
Also, sharing everything in general creates situations where after not having seen eachother for a week two people can sit at a table and not have anything to talk about. Enthousiastically telling a story only to be met by "yeah I saw it on your facebook when I was waiting for my train" is a scene I see too much around me these days. I know the "shallow human relations" argument has been done to death in relation to social media but ever since a large wave of facebook deletions took hold of my social group the parties have been a lot more lively. People actually have days worth of experiences to talk about to eachother, setting up fun discussions and exchanges and enabling the more talented to entertain the partygoers with their stories.
I want to share, because sharing personally with people is a significant interaction for social and emotional health. Broadcasting on facebook, twitter and other avenues are not significant interactions and they undermine the joy to be had in real interactions.
I can see a niche of users who make letsplay videos, reviews and walkthroughs already that might get some use out of it. However these people already have a large availability of options to record, edit and playback.
Edit: almost forgot.. unfiltered broadcasting of everything can get you into trouble. People get arrested for tweets with threatening language, written while frustrated about something. One friend got financially cut off by his family because somebody else posted a picture of him kissing a dude in a gay bar. He was not out and his family hardline religious.
PS4 sharing is a possible amazing feature, since it is possible for friends to join your game in different ways, or even take over the controller for you remotely if you are having a hard time. Or imagine playing a game and suddenly a boss spawns, your friend is watching you play, and he can now choose to control the boss. Friends joining in on single player campaigns is something that can be designed in extremely unique ways.
It's best when you have a decent number of friends that actually care to talk to you and each other, otherwise it's pretty much a waste of time.Atrocious Joystick said:
The other day I was playing and my drumstick flew out of my hand and landed in the most precarious, impossible location so I snapped a pic and upped it to FB where me and my friends all had a good laugh and continued to chat in the comments of said pic.
Personally I hate the "cram social media into everything" attitude. Like just the other day I bought some lil' watch batteries online for my mother's car key/alarm thingie, and Amazon asked me (as it does for every damned purchase) if I wanted to publish the fact to FaceBook. How 'bouts NO?!
The sad part is, I might want to tell a friend or two about some things (be it purchases, gaming achievements, whatever), and chances are I would use FB to do that - but I'd address it to them specifically, not "publish" it to my own wall or whatever. Because if I publish every piddling little thing like buying batteries to my wall, nobody pays attention when I do have something genuinely interesting/important to say.
There's also the issue of the PS4's "share" button coming at the cost of the "select" button. This I don't like - since a major limitation of consoles is the severely limited number of buttons on the controller, you need to be damn sure every button does something useful. And the number of useful buttons on the PS4 just dropped by 1. While I'm not a console gamer myself, a major point of irritation for me is the fact that every PC game nowadays is a port from console(s) (alas, never the other way around, even for traditionally PC franchises such as TES), and devs are usually too lazy to re-separate functions for the PC port when they have more buttons available. Case in point, I remember great frustration on Mass Effect 2 (back when I could stand to look BioWare in the eye, figuratively speaking), when "sprint" (which they bloody-mindedly insisted on calling "storm" for unfathomable reasons), "use", "take cover" and "vault cover" were all bound to [e]. I remember many deaths when I tried to sprint to change cover, and ended up magnetically sticking to the exposed side of other cover. Most frustrating when I have enough buttons to have one for each function if only the devs gave me the option.
On the positive side though, it's nice that they're adding a convenient way for console gamers to record/stream. That's cool. If only we could get the industry to realise that "let's play" videos are free marketing (and in my case, perhaps the singular most powerful form thereof), when some of them are still trying to leech revenue (looking at you Nintendo, not cool) or putting the big ol' copyright censor jackboot down (dick move, Sega). And the double-edged sword to this is that we'll see a massive increase in the amount of content out there while the average quality will likely drop - the ones who go to the trouble of recording "the hard way" are generally the ones who are dedicated and skilled enough to have earned the right.
Wow, I do seem to have rambled eh? I'll summarise:
TL;DR:
-Overuse (eg via a dedicated "share" button) devalues a "wall" to the point of worthlessness (vaguely ironic, or is that just me?).
-How many of even your facebook friends really wants to know you just defeated your 10,000th radioactive sheep?
-Dedicated "share" is a wasted button, and even PC gamers could feel the button-shortage filtering through.
-Allows consolers to record/stream conveniently (for better or worse).
The sad part is, I might want to tell a friend or two about some things (be it purchases, gaming achievements, whatever), and chances are I would use FB to do that - but I'd address it to them specifically, not "publish" it to my own wall or whatever. Because if I publish every piddling little thing like buying batteries to my wall, nobody pays attention when I do have something genuinely interesting/important to say.
There's also the issue of the PS4's "share" button coming at the cost of the "select" button. This I don't like - since a major limitation of consoles is the severely limited number of buttons on the controller, you need to be damn sure every button does something useful. And the number of useful buttons on the PS4 just dropped by 1. While I'm not a console gamer myself, a major point of irritation for me is the fact that every PC game nowadays is a port from console(s) (alas, never the other way around, even for traditionally PC franchises such as TES), and devs are usually too lazy to re-separate functions for the PC port when they have more buttons available. Case in point, I remember great frustration on Mass Effect 2 (back when I could stand to look BioWare in the eye, figuratively speaking), when "sprint" (which they bloody-mindedly insisted on calling "storm" for unfathomable reasons), "use", "take cover" and "vault cover" were all bound to [e]. I remember many deaths when I tried to sprint to change cover, and ended up magnetically sticking to the exposed side of other cover. Most frustrating when I have enough buttons to have one for each function if only the devs gave me the option.
On the positive side though, it's nice that they're adding a convenient way for console gamers to record/stream. That's cool. If only we could get the industry to realise that "let's play" videos are free marketing (and in my case, perhaps the singular most powerful form thereof), when some of them are still trying to leech revenue (looking at you Nintendo, not cool) or putting the big ol' copyright censor jackboot down (dick move, Sega). And the double-edged sword to this is that we'll see a massive increase in the amount of content out there while the average quality will likely drop - the ones who go to the trouble of recording "the hard way" are generally the ones who are dedicated and skilled enough to have earned the right.
Wow, I do seem to have rambled eh? I'll summarise:
TL;DR:
-Overuse (eg via a dedicated "share" button) devalues a "wall" to the point of worthlessness (vaguely ironic, or is that just me?).
-How many of even your facebook friends really wants to know you just defeated your 10,000th radioactive sheep?
-Dedicated "share" is a wasted button, and even PC gamers could feel the button-shortage filtering through.
-Allows consolers to record/stream conveniently (for better or worse).
I don't think anybody really is, what they have seen is youtube blow up with gameplays.BQE said:
They see people constantly watching COD and minecraft videos without really understanding what people are watching. People watch them 'cos they are entertaining, with COD you see good scores and minecraft you see ... what people have made? Adventures (I'm not sure, got sick of minecraft 2 months after launch and I've never even played 1 second of it).
What people don't want to see is some random clip, unless it's one of those "wtf did I just do" moments that we have all had.
I mean in the latest cod you can save 8 clips/full gameplays ... does anybody watch anybody else's? I know I don't. Nobdoy I know has ever said "hey, lemme look at your saved game plays".
I'm sure some people will use it but I would bet a large portion wont even touch the share button.
Do I want any of this social media sharing stuff?
HECK NO!
There is honestly very very little of these "special features" in any of the newer consoles that serve any sort of purpose for me. I am a classic old school gamer. Gaming is my private time to unwind. Single player games. No need for always online. When I do rarely venture online to game it is mainly in a group of known friends so as to avoid the GIFT as described by the immortal Gabriel.
- I don't need a share button. Really I don't
- I don't need the ability to create 10 user accounts and share games among them. Game sharing works very well in my household by simply sitting in front of the console. I have one console. (seriously how many customers will actually use MS's magic family sharing? How many have multiple $500 Xbox's in the house? Especially now that they have fatally pissed off the Military?)
- I don't need my video games trying to get me to exercise.
- I don't need speech recognition.
- I don't need any console that describes its requirements in square feet or meters of floor space. My requirements are TV + Couch, and enough space so as not to spill my drink on the TV.
HECK NO!
There is honestly very very little of these "special features" in any of the newer consoles that serve any sort of purpose for me. I am a classic old school gamer. Gaming is my private time to unwind. Single player games. No need for always online. When I do rarely venture online to game it is mainly in a group of known friends so as to avoid the GIFT as described by the immortal Gabriel.
- I don't need a share button. Really I don't
- I don't need the ability to create 10 user accounts and share games among them. Game sharing works very well in my household by simply sitting in front of the console. I have one console. (seriously how many customers will actually use MS's magic family sharing? How many have multiple $500 Xbox's in the house? Especially now that they have fatally pissed off the Military?)
- I don't need my video games trying to get me to exercise.
- I don't need speech recognition.
- I don't need any console that describes its requirements in square feet or meters of floor space. My requirements are TV + Couch, and enough space so as not to spill my drink on the TV.