An Impromptu Witcher Lets Play - now with the Witcher 2!

[Bara_no_Hime]

Witchers kill monsters so I don't see how siding with a dragon goes against that. I sided with some decidedly non-humans in an upcoming quest you haven't gotten to yet and I don't think it was out of character for Geralt at all.

Vampires by chance?

Rereading this, I think the only issue we disagree on is which group are the monsters. ^^ We both have reasons for saying the other side is worse.

That's actually a sign of good writing - both sides are equally bad, and it is our perceptions that make one worse than the other. It means that you and I can take different sides for the same reasons.

See, it's good writing like THAT that makes me like the Witcher. And then it's bad writing like Triss's weird change of heart that makes me go 'ugh.'

So far, the good and bad have been pretty well in counterbalance. I can see why some people love this game, and why others absolutely hate it. I'm not in either camp so far, but I'm having a fun time.

Speaking of which....

Micro-update!

Not a lot happened this time.

First, I sold some teeth to the teeth vender. I was hoping I could sell all 20 remaining barghst skulls, but he only wanted ONE the bastard. So I sold him one. Poo.

I sold him one of several others as well.

I then went looking for Leuvaarden. Where the fuck is he? I have a TON of Salamander badges to sell, and no one else wants to buy them. Unless he won't buy them anymore, in which case why do the Salamanders keep dropping them? I have 40 of these damn things - what am I supposed to do with them?

I ended up accidentally finding Dandelion's missing Lute while I was looking. Nifty!

I also slept with Blue Eyes to confirm she had bite marks.

I tried to drop these off at the Inn, but it was too late in the evening. So I tried to go see Triss to rest, but she wasn't home, weirdly.

So, having nothing better to do, I teleported to the swamp and killed monsters until I leveled up. Kiting Wyverns continues to be awesome, particularly now that Moa is dead. I also found a Wolf with a prize head. Awesome! Oh, and a metric fuck-ton of Ghouls, Gravers, and... Centaurs? Did I not read that right?

Once I leveled up (and had stuffed my inventory with monster bits) I headed back to the Tower and had Kalkstein let me rest there. Then I teleported back to Triss's. NOW she's home. Oh well, I leveled up anyway.

I headed to the Inn first to drop off the Lute and talk about Blue Eyes. Apparently she's been possessed? I take a moment to drop off the wolf head for my reward, then head to the brothel again. I bribe the guard to get up stairs (reloading after a minor fuck-up on said bribe) and meet the Madamme.

Who is a Vampire. Okay then. She offers me sex to take her side. Since the guy is a douche (and a Rose Knight) I decide to side with her and I get a very... not pleasant looking 4-way.

And what now? Rose Knights? I continue to side against them in the hopes that I can get back with the Squirrels by continually pissing on the Rose Knights. It's murder time!

Victory is had. I loot the bodies and head out (after a brief word with the madamme and blue eyes again).

If found some more teeth in the swamp, but I'd like a few mroe, so I head back to the Inn and pick a few fist fights hoping for a "Fighter's Tooth" to appear, but it doesn't. I do, however, get another weapon rune! Time to upgrade the Silver Sword! Which I do - for another Amber and 1000 gold. Still, +30 damage, +50% chance of Blinding on a crit, +30% Pain - looks pretty sweet to me.

I see the dentist and sell some more teeth. Which levels me again. Horray! I head back and rest at Triss's (and tell Alvin he can't have sweets cause Triss said so and I have none in my inventory). I rest until morning because I'd really like to find Leuvaarden.

Actually, this first: will Leuvaarden still buy my Salamander badges? And if so, where is he?

And if not, what am I supposed to do with them?

 

[Ryotknife]

Women do NOT need children to be complete. Or a ring. We're complete all by ourselves.

Ahem. Anyway, the sad thing is I even liked PARTS of it. Geralt expressing that he really wants a family (because I chose that option) is a really GOOD bit of characterization. If it was HIS idea to get her a ring, not an ultimatum, then that would have been fine. If he'd expressed an interest in helping Triss raise Alvin rather than being yelled at and forced into it, I wouldn't have minded. And that's how this could have gone down if the game didn't suddenly and unnecessarily resort to blatant stereotypes.

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meh, you are looking at it from our societal standpoint. It is absolutely true that women in real life do not need children to be complete.

However, we have...what...7 billion people? Our survival as a species is not at risk. If anything, our survival would improve if like 25-50% of the people in the world decided not to reproduce. Even then, we still have pretty heavy societal pressure to reproduce. I am almost 30 and im getting hounded by family and friends for me to settle and have kids. Women have it worse I would imagine as they have a time limit (and the longer they go the higher risk).

Now consider the society in the Witcher. Constant monster attacks and wars. Death everywhere (not to mention lower life expectancy due to no modern medicine). Plus, humans are not the only sentient beings. In that society, I would imagine the societal pressure to reproduce would be exponentially greater than what we would experience. It would not be far fetched for reproducing to be considered your moral imperative, your contribution to the improvement/survival of X kind.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

meh, you are looking at it from our societal standpoint. It is absolutely true that women in real life do not need children to be complete.
Now consider the society in the Witcher. Constant monster attacks and wars. Death everywhere (not to mention lower life expectancy due to no modern medicine). Plus, humans are not the only sentient beings. In that society, I would imagine the societal pressure to reproduce would be exponentially greater than what we would experience. It would not be far fetched for reproducing to be considered your moral imperative, your contribution to the improvement/survival of X kind.

First off, the societal standpoint has nothing to do with a lack of characterization and bad writing. Triss and Shani are two very different characters, but they have exactly the same reaction? It was written that way for ease of programming, but it is BAD WRITING that reduces women to stereotypes.

Please, don't try to defend this to me - it is indefensible. It treats women as if we are interchangeable - just like the stupid card collecting.

Meanwhile, as far as I know, becoming both a Witcher or a Sorceress is entirely voluntary. And, from what I've read, both processes render one sterile.

That means Triss VOLUNTEERED for this. She chose to give up having children in return for being able to BEND PHYSICS WITH HER MIND. Or at least runes. The same with Yennifer.

I could understand ONE of them being like "Oh, now I regret my decision" - but both of them is that same "all women are the same" crap I was upset about above. The game is basically saying that, no matter how devoted to a career a woman is, she will always regret her decision, seek a man, and settle down.

Don't give me this medieval crap. Triss has insanely powerful magic and is effectively immortal. That whole reproductive impetus doesn't apply to her. She only seriously interacts with other Sorceresses and Witchers - all of whom made the same choice she did. No one is putting pressure on her to have children.

So I call bullshit on this not once but twice. Your attempt to defend this game with an analysis of the average commoner is fallacious because Triss ISN'T an average commoner. She's a Mage. She makes the laws of physics her personal ***** every day of her life. No one expects her to have children, so she doesn't feel any reproductive pressure. And, when she can easily provide for herself, she doesn't need a father figure to help her take care of Alvin if she decides she wants to.

And all that said, Shani isn't the same as Triss, so why is she acting like it? For that matter, why are both Triss and Shani acting like Yennifer from the stories?

It's just bad.

 

[exxxed]

Triss has insanely powerful magic and is effectively immortal.

Hardly, after every spell there's a chance that she'll loose consciousness or be completely overwhelmed and drop dead if it wasn't for her training, it's not all flowers and fairies in this world, there's no absolute,so to speak, regarding anything.

And all that said, Shani isn't the same as Triss, so why is she acting like it? For that matter, why are both Triss and Shani acting like Yennifer from the stories?

It's just bad.

It's a game, they're giving you choices, I guess Shani could have been better written in that regard, but I never went with her anyway... she was creepy in a possessive kind of way, as for Triss, well she always had a thing for Geralt (remember Kaer Morhen) and wants to settle down after all this bullshite, but things will escalate to the point that it won't matter.

It's kind of cute how strongly you feel about such trivial details, but I guess we come from different worlds.

Right, back to the game, Leuvaarden is at the inn in the market district top level (I don't recall him buying any more badges after the initial quest, just like the drawner brain priest thing in chapter one).

Carmen told you her full name so you can connect her to a story the priest in Chapter I said about his daughter (some fucked up shit as usual).

Funny I never bothered with the details in potion making, cheers for elaborating on that, will be useful when I finish that damned Letho in W2 and start over ... sadly he's mopping the floor with me... literally.

When it comes to the two factions, they're a bunch of egocentric assholes ('scept for Siegfried and Toruviel who are both run down by circumstances) and in my view their ends don't justify their means, so I went neutral in all my playthru's, with minor deviations helping a few members from both factions as I saw fit with a clear conscience.

Have fun!

P.S.

It's Cemetaur, just remembered...

 

[BathorysGraveland2]

Meanwhile, as far as I know, becoming both a Witcher or a Sorceress is entirely voluntary.

You're entirely incorrect there. Witchers are young boys taken from their parents and transformed into Witchers as a price for help. So for example, a Witcher slays a beast for someone, and their payment is "give me that which you find at home yet do not expect", which would be an unborn child still in the womb. That is the obvious method at least, some are simply kidnapped. The few who survive the training and mutations become like Geralt and the other Witchers. So no choice there. Whether females also undergo Witcher training and mutations, I do not know. I don't believe there has been any hinting toward female Witcher in either books or games.

Sorceress' and sorcerers, and anyone who wields magic, has this ability from birth, and are required to attend magic schools to train and control their magical abilities lest they become insane. So again, no choice.

 

[exxxed]

Whether females also undergo Witcher training and mutations, I do not know. I don't believe there has been any hinting toward female Witcher in either books or games.

There's Ciri in the books, it happened exactly as you described.

 

[BathorysGraveland2]

There's Ciri in the books, it happened exactly as you described.

Whether that happens in the books yet to be translated, I do not know, but in Blood of Elves I remember the Witchers not willing to perform the mutations on her. They trained her with a sword and how to move, sure, but they hesitated and ultimately chose not to go through with the meat of the process. After all, anyone can learn to use a sword but to undergo the Witcher mutations - that is something far, far different.

 

[exxxed]

There's Ciri in the books, it happened exactly as you described.

Whether that happens in the books yet to be translated, I do not know, but in Blood of Elves I remember the Witchers not willing to perform the mutations on her. They trained her with a sword and how to move, sure, but they hesitated and ultimately chose not to go through with the meat of the process. After all, anyone can learn to use a sword but to undergo the Witcher mutations - that is something far, far different.

Yea she didn't go through with the entire process, it was more aimed at the ''means of payment'' part of your comment and partial witcher training , she's as close as we'll ever get to a female witcher.

 

[BathorysGraveland2]

Yea she didn't go through with the entire process, it was more aimed at the ''means of payment'' part of your comment and partial witcher training , she's as close as we'll ever get to a female witcher.

Well, the closest we've gotten are the females in training in the television series, but I don't think anyone treats that as canon at all.

 

[exxxed]

In that I agree.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

Hardly, after every spell there's a chance that she'll loose consciousness or be completely overwhelmed and drop dead if it wasn't for her training, it's not all flowers and fairies in this world, there's no absolute,so to speak, regarding anything.

I wasn't suggesting she couldn't be killed. I meant aging. The short stories make it quite clear that any/all Sorceresses (and Witchers?) have access to a potion that keeps them young and beautiful forever.

I know this because Yennifer in the books has the body of a 16 year old, but she's known Geralt at least that long, and the bard (not Dandelion, the one in the short story) comments that she must've drunk a "gallon" of the youth potion to look like that. He also wonders if she's 200 years old or not.

Or, to use TV Tropes, I was talking about Type 2 immorality, whereas you were talking about Type 1. Triss (and Yennifer) don't age (or can 'unage' if they do) and will never die of old age. However, they can be killed like anyone else.

As to the involuntary aspect, for Witchers that only came up at the VERY beginning of the game, maybe. I haven't bumped into that plot point anywhere else. So my mistake. As for Sorceresses, I'm not sure I've ever stumbled across that plot point in game or in story, so again my bad. Although... does that mean that all spell casters are born sterile (except witchers)?

 

[porous_shield]

SNIP

I love The Order vs. Squirrel thing and I could easily fall on either side (frigging Yaevinn). People like The Order were honestly people I did not think I would ever side with and yet the game somehow got me to (frigging Yaevinn). I look forward to, as always, to reading about some of the major, and not so major, decisions you have coming up. The next act has my favourite area to run around in. You liked the swamp so I think you'll like the next area but it's kinda big so you may not.

That Triss/Shani decision is bad writing caused by game play technicalities. I felt it was kinda weird how they settled down in a happy little family so quickly so I think the reason they did this was because they obviously couldn't have this stretch out over months that it would actually require so they condensed it to a creepy degree. Then, have both women drop everything to raise a child when they could have made it work with their respective personalities. Reading what you've written though, it makes me wonder about some of the views the writers have and whether it's subconscious or conscious decisions they've made. Subconscious would arguably be worse.

I chose Shani so it looks like your play through is the opposite of mind for the most part. I didn't particularly like Triss. I felt Shani would be a good down to earth influence on him...and I saw how well that turned out.

Also, didn't Shani know Geralt from some point. They were familiar with each other weren't they? It doesn't really matter that Triss and Geralt have an history since he's completely amnesiac.

 

[exxxed]

@Bara_no_Hime

''Forever'' how beautiful, but it's wrong, they can indeed prolong their life, but certainly not indefinitely, and quite interestingly I haven't realized immortality was classified, the more you know...

If I recall correctly, Vesemir or Eskel mentioned the part about witchers if you pulled their tongues enough (partly the rest is up to you if you will figure out when things unfold after you leave Vizima), as for mages being born sterile, they're not, it's a side effect of their magical abilities that manifests over time or they impose it on themselves as a trade-off to prolonged life spans and the relatively high risk of giving birth to ''morons, cretins and women in catatonic state'' so it's a choice between becoming a brain-dead ''oracle or prophet'' or keeping your sanity and risk sterility.

May I ask where your nick comes from, it's a tongue sore to pronounce and it's been puzzling me hehe.

Cheers!

@porous_shield

Aye, I love that area, it's probably my favorite place in a game yet, after all the cold and harshness of Vizima it felt like a breath of cold mountain air, plus the warm fuzzy feeling you get running around the fields and lakeside until you hit face first in the mud again...

Also curious how she'll deal with the upcoming events, especially considering her rather fresh perspective on the whole lore and world for a first time player, I never met anyone who decisively chose a faction over the other in their first playthru', they all kept joggling about depending on the situations they found themselves in.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

''Forever'' how beautiful, but it's wrong, they can indeed prolong their life, but certainly not indefinitely, and quite interestingly I haven't realized immortality was classified, the more you know...

Gotta love TV tropes. They classify everything there.

As to "forever" - so far no limit to the super youth potion has been noted. Yennifer may or may not be 200, but she's certainly not 16 - and she looks 16 according to that story about the dragon.

If she really is 200, then that's pretty damn immortal. True, not forever, but that's like D&D Elf lifespans. 200 years is three average human lifespans back to back (assuming 65 as average) - and while never growing old. As a person currently in my early 30s, I certainly wouldn't mind reverting back to my 22 year old body and staying in it for two and a half more lifetimes.

as for mages being born sterile, they're not, it's a side effect of their magical abilities that manifests over time or they impose it on themselves as a trade-off to prolonged life spans and the relatively high risk of giving birth to ''morons, cretins and women in catatonic state'' so it's a choice between becoming a brain-dead ''oracle or prophet'' or keeping your sanity and risk sterility.

Okay, then I was half right originally. Triss (and Yennifer) had a choice. A sucky choice, but I don't think this world has non-sucky choices. Triss (and Yennifer) could have had children if she wanted to give up her prolonged life span and risk a likely bad outcome. Both had a choice - and both chose power, long life, and eternal-ish beauty.

One character regretting it later I could understand. Both implies that ALL female spellcasters who make that choice regret it later. And that has some very sexist implications. As porous_shield noted above, it is likely subconscious on the part of the writers - they literally couldn't IMAGINE a woman who didn't want children and wouldn't regret becoming a mage later in life. That is shitty.

I have a kid, and I love him, but if I'd been given a choice to live 200 years in the body of a 22 year old and not having him, I'd have said SIGN ME THE FUCK UP.

Yennifer is actually a worse character in my mind. She comes off as ungrateful and wants to undo her choice entirely. At least Triss is using adoption (of a magic-potential child) to have her cake and eat it too. I feel like Triss was a better character before the writers shoe-horned in all the worst aspects of Yennifer into her.

Here's a question - is Triss in the short stories/novels? Or was she made up for the game? I'm wondering because Triss seems like an Expy of Yennifer and Dandelion seems like an Expy of that bard in the same story. If that's the case, then I'm less offended at the writers of the game (since they were just ripping off the sexism in the stories). For that matter, if Triss is IN the stories, and acts like Yennifer there as well, then... yeah, can't blame the game creators for keeping to the established character, even if said character is sexist and shitty. Well, yes, I can blame them, but it's a different sort of blame.

May I ask where your nick comes from, it's a tongue sore to pronounce and it's been puzzling me hehe.

It's Japanese. Bara means Rose. Hime means Princess. (and 'no' means of) Thus: Princess of Roses. More specifically, it is a reference to Revolutionary Girl Utena.

As far as pronounciation, remember that Japanese letter are typically one consanant and one vowel.

So it is pronounced: Bar-rah no Hee-Mei

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

Another short update:

Leuvaarden is indeed still at the Inn (and so is Triss, weirdly, in her party dress) and indeed won't buy my Salamander badges. Suck. Seriously, is there anything I can do with these damn things anymore?

Anyway, on to the swamps. On advice, I go talk with the Druids. They tell me they can arrange a meeting with the Salamanders and ambush them if I can get some special shrooms from the cave. Awesome.

I head over that way and kill some Cockatrices. They go do remarkably easy for the massive amount of XP they give. 700 xp each is really awesome for enemies that die this fast. Do they do a lot of damage? I took a Swallow potion outside (due to an Archespore encounter) so I had awesome regen the whole time. Oh - this was one made Rubido-heavy potion that gives me additional regen. Super regen!

Not that I'm complaining. Do these guys respawn? I could do some awesome grinding here.

Anyway, I get the shrooms. I take them back to the druids (fighting random critters on the way) and then we head off to ambush the Salamanders.

VERY VERY SLOWLY. I stop every so often to let the old man catch up, but damn.

Anyway, we FINALLY get there and the ambush begins. AND giant spiders too, just cause. Since I was still on my Silver sword, I take out the spiders first, and then switch to my awesome Wyvern sword for the Salamanders. I stay in group style for both sets, so that my silver sword is also chipping the Salamanders.

Anyway, I loot their corpses and find the letter that Leuvaarden wants. Maybe he'll buy my badges now? Maybe?

Probably not.

Anyway, I talk to the Druid and confirm we're good. And then I head back to the teleporter in the tower and head back to town (killing more random monsters on the way).

In town, I drop off some monster-bits quests that I finished off (like the Cockatrice feather quest) and level up again. I stop by Triss's to rest and spend my points.

... I only just realized that there were learnable spots ABOVE the main spell levels. Did not realize that before - none of the other skills have things above. That's... awkward. No wonder I'm only getting 90 degrees on my force spell.

Anyway, I seem to have wrapped up all the quests I can find aside from the main plot. I still haven't learned anything about Carmen's Werewolf or about Thaler's problem with forged documents. So... unless someone thinks I need to do something about those (and offers advice as to where to go) there doesn't seem to be anything left but to advance the plot via Leuvaarden.

Thoughts?

 

[Norrdicus]

Anyway, I seem to have wrapped up all the quests I can find aside from the main plot. I still haven't learned anything about Carmen's Werewolf or about Thaler's problem with forged documents. So... unless someone thinks I need to do something about those (and offers advice as to where to go) there doesn't seem to be anything left but to advance the plot via Leuvaarden.

Thoughts?

Okay, I don't know about the forged documents, but I do believe I know what's up with Carmen. You just have to go through the main story a bit, and after you complete a certain quest, you can progress in that side-quest.

You'll know it when you see it

 

[porous_shield]

To answer your question, yes, Triss is in the novels. She's somewhat of a minor character. I'm guessing they maybe based a lot of Triss on Yennifer and the same with the bard.

 

[Ryotknife]

First off, the societal standpoint has nothing to do with a lack of characterization and bad writing. Triss and Shani are two very different characters, but they have exactly the same reaction? It was written that way for ease of programming, but it is BAD WRITING that reduces women to stereotypes.

Please, don't try to defend this to me - it is indefensible. It treats women as if we are interchangeable - just like the stupid card collecting.

It seems like your entire argument could be avoided if they never gave you the choice of who to give Alvin to. Binary choices in games usually make little to no difference in the end. It is not bad writing or characterization, lazy writing perhaps. Although there is actually a reason within the apparent laziness.

And no, it does not treat women as interchangeable at all. It might treat those TWO women as interchangeable (and there is a damn good reason for it), but not women as a group. Not to mention the story being staying the same in a binary decision is basically the norm in games.

Hey, in Bioshock infinite Elizabeth has the same reaction if your draw your weapon or not in a certain scene. According to this logic this must mean that the developers are saying that women always react this way

Meanwhile, as far as I know, becoming both a Witcher or a Sorceress is entirely voluntary. And, from what I've read, both processes render one sterile.

That means Triss VOLUNTEERED for this. She chose to give up having children in return for being able to BEND PHYSICS WITH HER MIND. Or at least runes. The same with Yennifer.

I could understand ONE of them being like "Oh, now I regret my decision" - but both of them is that same "all women are the same" crap I was upset about above. The game is basically saying that, no matter how devoted to a career a woman is, she will always regret her decision, seek a man, and settle down.

Don't give me this medieval crap. Triss has insanely powerful magic and is effectively immortal. That whole reproductive impetus doesn't apply to her. She only seriously interacts with other Sorceresses and Witchers - all of whom made the same choice she did. No one is putting pressure on her to have children.

So I call bullshit on this not once but twice. Your attempt to defend this game with an analysis of the average commoner is fallacious because Triss ISN'T an average commoner. She's a Mage. She makes the laws of physics her personal ***** every day of her life. No one expects her to have children, so she doesn't feel any reproductive pressure. And, when she can easily provide for herself, she doesn't need a father figure to help her take care of Alvin if she decides she wants to.

And all that said, Shani isn't the same as Triss, so why is she acting like it? For that matter, why are both Triss and Shani acting like Yennifer from the stories?

It's just bad.

dear lord, calm down. Nothing ive said was sexist nor deserving of you spitting fire all over the place.

-minor spoiler, the whole family thing IS actually important to the plot at the end of the game (and even into Witcher 2), so your suggestion of two different paths would kinda ruin the game in this particular case, or at least take a significant amount of punch away from the ending. I know the whole thing FEELS rather pointless, but this is kinda a major turning point for geralts character.

-You know, the whole card collecting and Geralt being unable to walk 5 feet without every woman throwing her panties at him I can get behind in it stereotyping women, but a pointless binary choice that involve two women wanting to settle down (which is important later on and sets in motion a chain of events) is now victimizing women?

Did you miss the part where Geralt also wants to settle down? You are squeezing blood from a rock here. Geralt essentially wanting "out" is also a big component of the Witcher 2.

- her being a mage means nothing in terms of societal pressure. She can be the most powerful human in the world and it still wont matter. Maybe if she turned into a God, then it would matter. Nobility were under intense pressure to marry and have children to carry on their line. Her being sterile, on the other hand, would change things and I didn't know that. I knew Geralt was sterile but that was about it, however he was forced into being a Witcher.

In the end though, you are getting angry over a pointless binary decision, and games are full of pointless binary decisions. It gives the player an illusion of choice, like they actually have power to manipulate events to the way they want.

 

[exxxed]

One character regretting it later I could understand. Both implies that ALL female spellcasters who make that choice regret it later. And that has some very sexist implications. As porous_shield noted above, it is likely subconscious on the part of the writers - they literally couldn't IMAGINE a woman who didn't want children and wouldn't regret becoming a mage later in life. That is shitty.

Why are you exaggerating like that, there really is no point to it, where was it stated that Triss regretted anything, she doesn't actually, but that doesn't mean she wouldn't like a family to begin with and this would be a perfect opportunity for her, wouldn't it?

As for the ''regret it later'' part, think about it with an open mind and not your current train of thought, they start off as humans, then they chose a very much prolonged life span... but humans are not meant to live that long... so no matter how powerful you become and how long you live, your mind gets fed up eventually, so you have two choices... end up losing it or settle down and fuck-it-all, most mages chose politics so they don't have to deal with that exact thought, so they keep themselves constantly occupied, but even that doesn't work forever.

Another thing about ''implies all women want children'', in fact in Sapkowski's universe Witchers are sought of by women for the very reason that they're sterile, might explain a few things, hence the ''no five feet without fuck'' in this game, everyone loves sex and witchers are basically walking dildos in some women's eyes, no commitment.

Now for the game, I do also believe you should continue the main quest, this section won't be over that fast and it will be fairly obvious when the point of no return comes (basically it won't be handed out to you in an inn or some-such).

Have fun and a good day to you!

P.S.

Thanks for the explanation.

 

[Edguy]

Probably because it reduces women to objects to be collected. This isn't just figurative objectification - you actually get objects (cards) to collect.

I've got nothing against sex in games - I think more games should includes sex (and if they did, maybe people would get better at writing sex scenes in games). It's the card collection that makes is very icky.

I don't get this.. They're cards--what's the problem? It's not like you collect a bunch of women only to keep in your trophy room..