An M rated Zelda game, could it work?

[Avatar Roku]

I never said I dont play the games... I said I dont like them. I am not an idiot I need some information to base my opinion on.

My comment still stands. It seems you don't even want to like them, but are instead just playing them so you know what to ridicule.

Of course, I don't know you. I could be completely wrong, that's just the impression I get.

Its not that I dont want to like the game, i enter all games with a level head. No game should be judged by its predecesor (or however you spell that), if someone said to you "Oh yeah, but your dad..." you'd probably want to punch them in the throat. Its just its done nothing to impress me, maybe its not my type of game. Especially the over-hyped "Ocarina of Time", I got bored after figuring out the water temple (as i was told this was IMPOSSIBLY hard?!?) and left to play FF7. I dont regret that decision.

Understandable. Although it's odd that you criticized OoT for being over-hyped, then went to play FF7, but whatever.

 

[Signa]

I have to say yes!*

*It HAS to be done right. I JUST finished replaying OoT, and there were so many dark things about the game that could have been adjusted to be even darker and scarier. First of which, Gannondorf puking bile instead of coughing up blood. I played the original "Red Blood" edition in '96, so playing the GC remake (for convenience sake. I didn't feel like setting up my N64 again) I was quite disturbed at the small changes they made to make it more kid friendly.

One thing I really wanted to see more of was that freaky-as-all-hell undead sub-boss that had the hands coming out of the ground and would chase you and try to bite you. Seriously! that was some fucked up shit! Last time I saw a monster that scary was in Pan's labyrinth! Now going strictly horror genera wouldn't work for Zelda, but there are plenty of opportunities to throw stuff like that in there.

There were the Re-dead in burnt-out Hyrule town, and though it is implied that they are the dead walking, if they actually looked like the decaying corpses of some of the villagers that you talked to as a kid, I think it would be a lot more "M rated" of a theme.

Another thing that would be nice is seeing the carnage that the villains lay down on Hyrule. I could totally see Gannondorf floating magically above the castle, using his new-found Triforce of Power to rain horrible destruction down on the helpless people. Anyone remember the destruction of the world in Final Fantasy 3 (6)? It made you just wanna rip Kafka to shreads, and HE WAS LAUGHING about it! Zelda could use some new villains like this. Some one you hate. Some one that MUST be destroyed.

All in all, there is plenty of room for Zelda to go M rated without going over the top. It has to be dark, and it has to be real. It can't have stupid things like T&A and swearing just so that there will be more "cool." M ratings are much more broad of a classification that it should be. There are plenty of M games that are so tame they could almost make a PG movie. I know that Thief 1 and 2 are M rated, and the worst thing in the game is watching the silhouette of some one get his eye ripped out. It's implied violence more than on-screen blood and gore, and yet the games got a gaming equivalent of an "R" rating. Suggested viewing age of 17 year olds.

 

[Sparrow]

Well, for a start, we could gorily kill off Zelda (I don't care if her name is in the fucking title, the ***** messes up too much.) and proceed to find revenge! Sure, not a good plot but it's better than most of the other storylines in the series.

The main character should still be mute though. He doesn't need to be Niko Bellic, and swear four times in each cutscene. He does need to be much more of a ruthless fuckwit though. Seriously, Link, Rainman, Fagballs, whatever you wanna' call him: He's a pussy.

 

[Devildoc]

No no no no no no.

Why would we need this? Plus let's not forget when Nintendo attempted a "grimdark" game and we got Twilight Princess.

You say that like it's a bad thing. Personally, I liked the direction TP went, and I think it makes sense to have one timeline (the TP timeline) become darker while the other (the Wind Waker Timeline) gets more lighthearted.

EDIT:

You'd ruin a lot of the charm of a Zelda game if you went this route.

Zelda doesn't need an M rating to be fun for even adults to play.

The last Zelda got a T rating I think, that's about as high as I can see it going.

Heck, better question.. would a Zelda with voice acting be a good thing.. an extension to that, would it be a good thing to have Link not a silent protagonist (as he always has been from the beginning)

I think them doing what they did with Metroid Prime 3 (i.e, get VAs, but keep the protagonist silent) would work, provided they got good VAs for this. The ones in MP3 sucked.

Ah see that's kinda what I'm thinking, though I enjoyed the VA in MP3.

Samus had a few lines but it was disguised by robotic kinda vocals covering her real voice.

Wasn't that the Aurora Unit?

Nah there were a scant few lines, they were really really short and easily missed and she was disguising her voice. There was one I think when all the bounty hunters were together and basically, every character but Samus talks then someone with a voice unlike all the others you've heard says like 3 words. It's a heavily disguised voice.

So.. Samus voice through her suit.

I could always be wrong however, I'd have to play through again, but I seem to remember a few lines that didn't seem like they could be spoken by anyone else, and they were very short, and coming from someone otherwise taciturn.

 

[Kinguendo]

I never said I dont play the games... I said I dont like them. I am not an idiot I need some information to base my opinion on.

My comment still stands. It seems you don't even want to like them, but are instead just playing them so you know what to ridicule.

Of course, I don't know you. I could be completely wrong, that's just the impression I get.

Its not that I dont want to like the game, i enter all games with a level head. No game should be judged by its predecesor (or however you spell that), if someone said to you "Oh yeah, but your dad..." you'd probably want to punch them in the throat. Its just its done nothing to impress me, maybe its not my type of game. Especially the over-hyped "Ocarina of Time", I got bored after figuring out the water temple (as i was told this was IMPOSSIBLY hard?!?) and left to play FF7. I dont regret that decision.

Understandable. Although it's odd that you criticized OoT for being over-hyped, then went to play FF7, but whatever.

I was young and all about the hype.

FF7 lived up to it in my eyes though, while Zelda was left alone with only my rejection and its own salty tears.

 

[Avatar Roku]

No no no no no no.

Why would we need this? Plus let's not forget when Nintendo attempted a "grimdark" game and we got Twilight Princess.

You say that like it's a bad thing. Personally, I liked the direction TP went, and I think it makes sense to have one timeline (the TP timeline) become darker while the other (the Wind Waker Timeline) gets more lighthearted.

EDIT:

You'd ruin a lot of the charm of a Zelda game if you went this route.

Zelda doesn't need an M rating to be fun for even adults to play.

The last Zelda got a T rating I think, that's about as high as I can see it going.

Heck, better question.. would a Zelda with voice acting be a good thing.. an extension to that, would it be a good thing to have Link not a silent protagonist (as he always has been from the beginning)

I think them doing what they did with Metroid Prime 3 (i.e, get VAs, but keep the protagonist silent) would work, provided they got good VAs for this. The ones in MP3 sucked.

Ah see that's kinda what I'm thinking, though I enjoyed the VA in MP3.

Samus had a few lines but it was disguised by robotic kinda vocals covering her real voice.

Wasn't that the Aurora Unit?

Nah there were a scant few lines, they were really really short and easily missed and she was disguising her voice. There was one I think when all the bounty hunters were together and basically, every character but Samus talks then someone with a voice unlike all the others you've heard says like 3 words. It's a heavily disguised voice.

So.. Samus voice through her suit.

You sure? I'll have to check. Was that near the beginning, like on Norion?

 

[Handofpwn]

First question, do you even think an M-Rated Zelda game would work

This idea is about as good as Mickey Mouse on Bugs Bunny pornography.

Rule 34. Someone thought that MarioXBugs was a good idea, I guarantee it.

 

[Ben66]

A "Mature" game definately doesn't need sex, blood, or any of that. What should make it mature is how it tackles characterization and events and stuff.

A more 'mature' Zelda game in my opinion would be something not involving Ganon, but maybe his followers inacting some sort of massive war against hyrule. Link would be one of the knights on the front lines and first-hand witness the brutality of war. Zelda meanwhile would be under the pressure of trying to keep her kingdom safe and surpressing riots, all while keeping her sanity intact. And without taking off her clothes (like someone else said, a quick search on the internet can get you that).

If you're wanting a Zelda game with sex blood and massive violence, you're barking up the wrong tree. Nintendo has always had a classic storybook approach to the Zelda series. I could maybe see them expanding upon the universe with some more actual mature themes, but that would still be a T rating (which ironically might as well be the real Mature rating).

 

[Avatar Roku]

A "Mature" game definately doesn't need sex, blood, or any of that. What should make it mature is how it tackles characterization and events and stuff.

A more 'mature' Zelda game in my opinion would be something not involving Ganon, but maybe his followers inacting some sort of massive war against hyrule. Link would be one of the knights on the front lines and first-hand witness the brutality of war. Zelda meanwhile would be under the pressure of trying to keep her kingdom safe and surpressing riots, all while keeping her sanity intact. And without taking off her clothes (like someone else said, a quick search on the internet can get you that).

If you're wanting a Zelda game with sex blood and massive violence, you're barking up the wrong tree. Nintendo has always had a classic storybook approach to the Zelda series. I could maybe see them expanding upon the universe with some more actual mature themes, but that would still be a T rating (which ironically might as well be the real Mature rating).

Very true. That sort of maturity is what I'd like to see more of, in Zelda in particular, and in gaming in general.

 

[Pumpkin_Eater]

BCF, maybe D and E. Profanity doesn't really add anything and is often used as a crutch by writers who can't depict strong emotion any other way.

I'd buy an M Zelda game, but I could definitely see it going wrong since it would be such a departure from a style that works already.

 

[Devildoc]

No no no no no no.

Why would we need this? Plus let's not forget when Nintendo attempted a "grimdark" game and we got Twilight Princess.

You say that like it's a bad thing. Personally, I liked the direction TP went, and I think it makes sense to have one timeline (the TP timeline) become darker while the other (the Wind Waker Timeline) gets more lighthearted.

EDIT:

You'd ruin a lot of the charm of a Zelda game if you went this route.

Zelda doesn't need an M rating to be fun for even adults to play.

The last Zelda got a T rating I think, that's about as high as I can see it going.

Heck, better question.. would a Zelda with voice acting be a good thing.. an extension to that, would it be a good thing to have Link not a silent protagonist (as he always has been from the beginning)

I think them doing what they did with Metroid Prime 3 (i.e, get VAs, but keep the protagonist silent) would work, provided they got good VAs for this. The ones in MP3 sucked.

Ah see that's kinda what I'm thinking, though I enjoyed the VA in MP3.

Samus had a few lines but it was disguised by robotic kinda vocals covering her real voice.

Wasn't that the Aurora Unit?

Nah there were a scant few lines, they were really really short and easily missed and she was disguising her voice. There was one I think when all the bounty hunters were together and basically, every character but Samus talks then someone with a voice unlike all the others you've heard says like 3 words. It's a heavily disguised voice.

So.. Samus voice through her suit.

You sure? I'll have to check. Was that near the beginning, like on Norion?

I'm pretty sure and yeah towards the beginning. It was definately different than the aurora unit voices.

 

[Aura Guardian]

No

 

[TheTygerfire]

Eh, just a thought.

 

[ry-yuboss]

two words "HELL YEAH" IT WOULD WORK

 

[quack35]

The only way and reason to make Zelda M rated would be to add gratuitous amounts of controversial material. And that's stupid.

Also, funny how people complain about women being too sexualized in games, and then complain that they're too "kiddy" if they're not.

 

[iblis666]

it could work if but would you really want too part of the fun of the game is its well defined line between good and evil

 

[Avatar Roku]

The only way and reason to make Zelda M rated would be to add gratuitous amounts of controversial material. And that's stupid.

Also, funny how people complain about women being too sexualized in games, and then complain that they're too "kiddy" if they're not.

I know, right? I mean, I put Zelda (at least, the Twilight Princess version, who I felt did way more than get kidnapped) on my list of best female characters ever, just below Samus Aran, Tali Zorah nar'Rayya (Mass Effect) and Alyx Vance.

Notice what they have in common? With the possible exception of Alyx, none of them are sexualized, and Alyx is barely at all.

 

[MisterLillie]

no swearing
blood and gore are good
no sex or nudity
I really don't want to see an emo Link

 

[Aura Guardian]

Eh, just a thought.

Which I don't mind, but no. Keep dreaming.