It's only an ArmA custom map, sure, but it's quite something that someone has taken the time to make this. Freedom of speech is an issue, as is the line of good taste.
Also the soundtrack is the same piece of music he listened to as he did the deed.
Anders Breivik's Norway Massacre Simulator
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It's only an ArmA custom map, sure, but it's quite something that someone has taken the time to make this. Freedom of speech is an issue, as is the line of good taste.
Also the soundtrack is the same piece of music he listened to as he did the deed.
Anytime something like this happens, there will always be a troll trying to make a sim to capitalize on the shock value to get their name out. And the best way to kill a troll is to not even acknowledge them.
It's games like this that give ammo to people who don't like games.
Though, to be fair, if it was easier to write a book about it, this person would have done that. Same with make a movie etc. they just did this (whatever you want to call it) the easiest way they could.
It's simply on par with idiots who are making jokes about it. This person just had more free time on his hands and made a more sick joke then the rest.
edit: agree with twisted heart.
I've become desensitized to trolls and I'm surprised more people haven't learned to say "yup, good for you. Now I don't care so go play in a corner" to the troll.
Though, to be fair, if it was easier to write a book about it, this person would have done that. Same with make a movie etc. they just did this (whatever you want to call it) the easiest way they could.
It's simply on par with idiots who are making jokes about it. This person just had more free time on his hands and made a more sick joke then the rest.
edit: agree with twisted heart.
I've become desensitized to trolls and I'm surprised more people haven't learned to say "yup, good for you. Now I don't care so go play in a corner" to the troll.
Well, that's pretty god damn repulsive and tasteless.
Not something that shouldn't be covered by Freedom of Expression though, since that only gain meaning in regard to what others find repulsive, but which does not rise to direct incitement of violence.
Not something that shouldn't be covered by Freedom of Expression though, since that only gain meaning in regard to what others find repulsive, but which does not rise to direct incitement of violence.
If it is then the fact Anders was a devout Christian should be abused mercilessly as well, ad nauseam and to the point of vulgar absurdity.Manji187 said:
Also this mod shows great potential. I'll defintiely give it a go. Never modded ARMA but I might as well give it a go.
Ignoring it is the worst you can do. You'd at least want an informed opinion, rather than prejudging it like most will do, surely?Mr Thin said:
This was FAST.
Really, really fast.
I have nothing more to add, besides stating that I like the music.
The laughing somehow made it even more sinister.
Really, really fast.
I have nothing more to add, besides stating that I like the music.
The laughing somehow made it even more sinister.
The piece of music in the video is the most overused track right now. TV talent shows, movie trailers, adverts and now a mass murderer!? It saddens me because the music is incredible; the first time I was ever exposed to it's haunting strings was in Requiem for a Dream, a film so deeply moving that I couldn't even explain how I felt afterwards.
Now, with overuse, the track has become a tool for witless producers in a desperate attempt to inject some passion into whatever they feel needs injecting.
OT: These things happen...Almost every famous tragedy has some sort of "homage". It's how the world works, I'm afraid. I'm surprised the News hasn't picked up on this to be honest....
Now, with overuse, the track has become a tool for witless producers in a desperate attempt to inject some passion into whatever they feel needs injecting.
OT: These things happen...Almost every famous tragedy has some sort of "homage". It's how the world works, I'm afraid. I'm surprised the News hasn't picked up on this to be honest....
ya know, I'll go the other way and say I would like to see a good Mass Killer game... the problem with them, as emphasized here, is that it's boring just to kill people with no opponent. I always had a story idea for a guy that was gonna shoot up his school, but right before he was about to start someone beat him to the punch, and with the school on lock down hes the only person with a gun that can stop the school shooters ala Die Hard.
I always thought someone should make a parody sequel to it, Requiem Of The Dream, where the characters get out of their respective Hells, and Ty declares they should make another go at selling crack and this time NOT smoke it. And then they get everything they ever wanted. "Well get our selves another peice of this shit, cut it up, and off it." "And this time, we won't smoke it Ty!"Tips_of_Fingers said:
I didn't know he laughed like a bond villain. As for the people complaining about requiem, isn't it the music he was listening to when he went postal?
has anyone ever made a flight sim where you fly into WTC?
has anyone ever made a flight sim where you fly into WTC?
Wait, he listened to Lux Aternia? That's not cool. Clint Mansell deserves better.
As for the game itself - Eh, when you think about it the JFK simulator and the Columbine RPG were in poor taste in the same way. If anything, I suspect this is actually parody of some kind intended to troll newspapers and the other media by making them take it too seriously.
Anders Brevik is no gods damned hero, nor is he an agent of change. Many, many people share this view point and that's, I think the crux of the problem. It's not that he's a mass-murderer, it's that if he's made into a video game protagonist, he comes across as a hero, someone we are associated with and that's not something that sits well.
I could never play Nazi Germany in HOI.
tl,dr: Clint Mansell is epic; Anders Breivik thinks he is a hero and a video game makes him look like one, even if we don't think he is.
As for the game itself - Eh, when you think about it the JFK simulator and the Columbine RPG were in poor taste in the same way. If anything, I suspect this is actually parody of some kind intended to troll newspapers and the other media by making them take it too seriously.
Anders Brevik is no gods damned hero, nor is he an agent of change. Many, many people share this view point and that's, I think the crux of the problem. It's not that he's a mass-murderer, it's that if he's made into a video game protagonist, he comes across as a hero, someone we are associated with and that's not something that sits well.
I could never play Nazi Germany in HOI.
tl,dr: Clint Mansell is epic; Anders Breivik thinks he is a hero and a video game makes him look like one, even if we don't think he is.
Somehow, I knew something like this would happen. Pathetic waste of human flesh tries to be 'shocking' by idolizing another pathetic waste of human flesh, it has always happened and probably always will.
Really? I've always found that the best way to kill a troll is with a +3 flaming broad sword.twistedheat15 said:
Hmmm, well I have mixed opinions.
To be honest this kind of thing reminds me of how I, and a number of other kids used to collect seriel killer trading cards when I was young. Ted Bundy, Ed Gein, Jack The Ripper, etc...
People, especially kids, are fascinated by this kind of stuff. People need to get used to it and stop acting like it's some new and shocking thing. It's just that technology has expanded and so has people's way of expressing it. Going "OMG" about this is just as ridiculous as someone complaining because Time/Life has released books on the subject of killers, crime figures, and all kind of atrocities. Not to mention what you'll find in the "True Crime" section of a book store.
There is also the troll factor, and the simple fact that people who aren't all that interested are going to act to shock people just for the five minutes of fame.
I also confess to having some definate questions about this case, and several other similar ones through the years. In Norway's case they seem to be remaining very, very quiet about the exact nature of the incident. The guy was some kind of political extremist, but at the same time blowing up a goverment building and attacking a youth camp are very differant types of crimes and don't "sync" with the motives. I remember an initial report claiming that youth camp was some kind of military training facility a "military youth camp" or something of the sort, but that disappeared shortly after things started to pick up steam, and it seems that the details of his motivations for attacking that camp and what went on there are being glossed over signifigantly.
Even crazy people generally have some consistincy to their delusions, and in this paticular case I think too much focus is being put on the killer, and not enough on what set him off. "He was just crazy" doesn't really suffice, and I think the Norweigan goverment should be being made to answer some questions here. I'm guessing that there was probably some connection between that goverment building and the youth camp, or at least a chain of logic that this guy was able to form, and I think there is a bit of smoke and mirrors to prevent people from looking too heavily in that direction.
Don't get me wrong, there really isn't any way to justify this, I just believe there are two sides to every story. Sort of like what happened with Heemeyer... sure the guy took a modified Bulldozer to town hall and a few other people's property... but at the same time everyone involved was responsible for screwing him in a real estate deal and stealing his land (which benefitted the town). People tried to cover that up somewhat (and it failed) because really the "crazy guy" actually had a pretty reasonable motive and the people whose property he demolished kind of deserved it. Of course then again I don't believe Heemeyer actually killed anyone, he just leveled buildings and shot himself.
At any rate, I'm rambling, but the point is that complaining about video games that simulate real crimes is much Ado about nothing. It's the Seriel Killer trading cards of this generation, it's disturbing, but that is pretty much the point. When tech moves on and kids get bored with this, something new and even more disturbing will come along to replace it. Heck, at some point we'll probably see some kind of neural interface technology where after crimes like this are committed kids are going to jack in to experience the thrill of being the killer or the victims or whatever.
To be honest this kind of thing reminds me of how I, and a number of other kids used to collect seriel killer trading cards when I was young. Ted Bundy, Ed Gein, Jack The Ripper, etc...
People, especially kids, are fascinated by this kind of stuff. People need to get used to it and stop acting like it's some new and shocking thing. It's just that technology has expanded and so has people's way of expressing it. Going "OMG" about this is just as ridiculous as someone complaining because Time/Life has released books on the subject of killers, crime figures, and all kind of atrocities. Not to mention what you'll find in the "True Crime" section of a book store.
There is also the troll factor, and the simple fact that people who aren't all that interested are going to act to shock people just for the five minutes of fame.
I also confess to having some definate questions about this case, and several other similar ones through the years. In Norway's case they seem to be remaining very, very quiet about the exact nature of the incident. The guy was some kind of political extremist, but at the same time blowing up a goverment building and attacking a youth camp are very differant types of crimes and don't "sync" with the motives. I remember an initial report claiming that youth camp was some kind of military training facility a "military youth camp" or something of the sort, but that disappeared shortly after things started to pick up steam, and it seems that the details of his motivations for attacking that camp and what went on there are being glossed over signifigantly.
Even crazy people generally have some consistincy to their delusions, and in this paticular case I think too much focus is being put on the killer, and not enough on what set him off. "He was just crazy" doesn't really suffice, and I think the Norweigan goverment should be being made to answer some questions here. I'm guessing that there was probably some connection between that goverment building and the youth camp, or at least a chain of logic that this guy was able to form, and I think there is a bit of smoke and mirrors to prevent people from looking too heavily in that direction.
Don't get me wrong, there really isn't any way to justify this, I just believe there are two sides to every story. Sort of like what happened with Heemeyer... sure the guy took a modified Bulldozer to town hall and a few other people's property... but at the same time everyone involved was responsible for screwing him in a real estate deal and stealing his land (which benefitted the town). People tried to cover that up somewhat (and it failed) because really the "crazy guy" actually had a pretty reasonable motive and the people whose property he demolished kind of deserved it. Of course then again I don't believe Heemeyer actually killed anyone, he just leveled buildings and shot himself.
At any rate, I'm rambling, but the point is that complaining about video games that simulate real crimes is much Ado about nothing. It's the Seriel Killer trading cards of this generation, it's disturbing, but that is pretty much the point. When tech moves on and kids get bored with this, something new and even more disturbing will come along to replace it. Heck, at some point we'll probably see some kind of neural interface technology where after crimes like this are committed kids are going to jack in to experience the thrill of being the killer or the victims or whatever.
ArmA is a good game/sim, the video is a mod someone created for the game (a very tasteless and stupid one). This is someone being a troll, not someone trying to sell a game.pdgeorge said:
OT: Thats extremely stupid whoever made that obviously has no brains to see what it's doing.
As stated above, this isn't a massacre sim being published, its an idiot doing a mod/showing off on youtube.trollpwner said: