Android is the New Windows

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MammothBlade said:
It may seem a bit unfair to say "used to" there, but it's really not. Microsoft has been very clear that starting with Windows 8, it now wants to control its app ecosystem Apple-style.
*cringe*

If Windows does this with its desktop PROGRAMS(not apps), then I won't bat an eyelid when I decide to move to Linux.
*sigh* Come on everyone, sing along:-

Microsoft are not that thick
They still suck that business dick
You don't need to use an app
That notion is total crap

Their Linux rival is Windows 7
That OS is business heaven
Moving to Linux is a stupid switch
The changes are even more 'a *****
 

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Ultratwinkie said:
The PS2 is a relic, a outdated big box that shouldn't have heat issues. The same with GTA III.
In 5 years, I wonder if you will not have issues with Skyrim on your mobile? GTA 3 on a 5" cell phone looks pretty special.

I will concede, I think PCs are held back by consoles. I'd love to see games that take advantage of all a PC can do.

I said GRAPHICS CARDS.
I HEARD YOU!!! YOUR TYPING CARRIES!!!

Sound cards are useless without a GPU. Even then sound
cards are a bit of a joke unless you are an audiophile.
That's kind of my point: unless you are into pushing the tech to it's limits (and, sigh, sometimes I am) HD 4000, built into the chip, can be pretty good even for current games. Grahpics cards for the masses may soon be as obselete as a sound card is, except for audiophiles (you got me. I am looking into getting one of them. I am an idiot but I can't help it. I love my toys.)

and third, why bother making mobile devices IMMOBILE to do things a computer can? relying on TV when the internet is making people cut the cord?
Versatility. I love my pad. My wife can watch the Patriots American Football, while I watch netflix or game on my Droid. Game over? Hook my phone to the TV and watch Netflix (though, Netflix is already on many TVs with their own OS). Time to stop watching? Disconnect my phone and use it for those mobile purposes again.

But the phone is less important than the OS itself. Is it possible, in the near future, that my 120" OLED will have Android built into it? If so... holy @$#@
 

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Ultratwinkie said:
Wicky_42 said:
If we get to the point where fully modular computing is a thing - external graphics cards, CPUs etc that can be hot-connected to a handheld computer (see the new thunderbolt connector for something that can potentially already make that a reality for laptops), then I don't see how a traditional tower desktop can survive.

Smart phones are already stupidly powerful - I mean freaking quadcore chips?! - and convenient. Give them a few high bandwidth universal connectors and the firmware and you could just plug it into your home hardware setup and smoothly transition from your mobile experience to your work/high-powered gaming configuration. Or, with sufficient internet infrastructure, your handheld would be just a gateway to your personal software cloud, doing away with the need for expensive personal hardware.

That all needs significant advances in certain areas, but it's all quite conceivable if you think about applications of even just the tech that's public knowledge.
Oh yes lets just attach a BIG OLD BOX to our PHONE with a CORD so we can play games like a REAL DESKTOP COMPUTER.

Making Mobile devices immobile. Using the most ass way possible.

That totally IS the future. /sarcasm
I.. don't think you understand anything there. Never mind. Sure, I'm saying lets make mobile phones static computers, because that would be an intelligent use of the shear potential of the technology that's already there for the taking. Now you can go away and feel all superior and shit without even having to exert any brain cells! Go you!
 

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Ultratwinkie said:
Wicky_42 said:
Ultratwinkie said:
Wicky_42 said:
If we get to the point where fully modular computing is a thing - external graphics cards, CPUs etc that can be hot-connected to a handheld computer (see the new thunderbolt connector for something that can potentially already make that a reality for laptops), then I don't see how a traditional tower desktop can survive.

Smart phones are already stupidly powerful - I mean freaking quadcore chips?! - and convenient. Give them a few high bandwidth universal connectors and the firmware and you could just plug it into your home hardware setup and smoothly transition from your mobile experience to your work/high-powered gaming configuration. Or, with sufficient internet infrastructure, your handheld would be just a gateway to your personal software cloud, doing away with the need for expensive personal hardware.

That all needs significant advances in certain areas, but it's all quite conceivable if you think about applications of even just the tech that's public knowledge.
Oh yes lets just attach a BIG OLD BOX to our PHONE with a CORD so we can play games like a REAL DESKTOP COMPUTER.

Making Mobile devices immobile. Using the most ass way possible.

That totally IS the future. /sarcasm
I.. don't think you understand anything there. Never mind. Sure, I'm saying lets make mobile phones static computers, because that would be an intelligent use of the shear potential of the technology that's already there for the taking. Now you can go away and feel all superior and shit without even having to exert any brain cells! Go you!
Oh I understand perfectly well.

I been arguing this for a while.

Modular mobile devices are impossible, and are nothing more than a pipe dream. Mobile devices are mobile for a reason. those devices needing to be immobile goes against their very design. Both from a practical and technical standpoint.

external components are clunky, and take too much power for a phone or tablet. You would need to plug it into the wall, and at that point you might as well get a desktop. phones and tablets were never meant to be desktops.

Internally, custom laptops and tablets are fucking expensive. Far more than what is useful.
Yes, because all a smartphone can be is a phone, right? And there's a formal divide between tablets and "real" computers that will never narrow, obviously. And being able to come home and wirelessly sync your portable device automatically is so long a shot. And then using the computer you carry around everywhere with you, that holds your most continuously useful data, contacts, social networks etc, as you main terminal is completely unrealistic. And being able to hard-wire it up to a few key components that allow you to increase its speed by several orders of magnitude and run applications on any large screen in your house, or even just use it as the interface to your home computer network is purely in the realms of sci-fi.

I'm just glad that there are people with more imagination than you in the industry - otherwise we'd still be looking at valve-operated, room-sized calculating machines, scoffing at the idea that anyone would ever need one in their own home when they were obviously machines for government, military and research use.
 

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Ultratwinkie said:
Gorfias said:
Ultratwinkie said:
The PS2 is a relic, a outdated big box that shouldn't have heat issues. The same with GTA III.
In 5 years, I wonder if you will not have issues with Skyrim on your mobile? GTA 3 on a 5" cell phone looks pretty special.

I will concede, I think PCs are held back by consoles. I'd love to see games that take advantage of all a PC can do.

I said GRAPHICS CARDS.
I HEARD YOU!!! YOUR TYPING CARRIES!!!

Sound cards are useless without a GPU. Even then sound
cards are a bit of a joke unless you are an audiophile.
That's kind of my point: unless you are into pushing the tech to it's limits (and, sigh, sometimes I am) HD 4000, built into the chip, can be pretty good even for current games. Grahpics cards for the masses may soon be as obselete as a sound card is, except for audiophiles (you got me. I am looking into getting one of them. I am an idiot but I can't help it. I love my toys.)

and third, why bother making mobile devices IMMOBILE to do things a computer can? relying on TV when the internet is making people cut the cord?
Versatility. I love my pad. My wife can watch the Patriots American Football, while I watch netflix or game on my Droid. Game over? Hook my phone to the TV and watch Netflix (though, Netflix is already on many TVs with their own OS). Time to stop watching? Disconnect my phone and use it for those mobile purposes again.

But the phone is less important than the OS itself. Is it possible, in the near future, that my 120" OLED will have Android built into it? If so... holy @$#@
That's with future processing power, and we are unsure just how costly it is.

We are at 4 cores now, but we also have 8 and 16 cores. Judging from prices of the GPUs, those wont be viable for mobiles in a while.

Unless they can make bog standard parts out of it, it isn't going into a phone. This is also assuming rock's law doesn't stop us right in our tracks right there.
Actually, we know exactly how much it will cost: half as much every year for an equivalent level of power, or twice as powerful every year for the same price. It's called <link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law>Moore's Law, dude.
 

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thesilentman said:
Well, I think you're being unfair here. You act like you think cell phones should be all about convenience and that they should fit into your pocket. The future isn't making things smaller and easier to use. I swear, in 10 or 15 years we will be carrying cell phones in a suitcase with wheel in order to always have a complete gaming system with 5 wires to various external components.
Well that defeats the point of a mobile device then. And I think that Windows Phone 8 has a good interface. I'm tired of seeing the iOS/Android style of tile arrangements...[/quote]

OK, why does no-one seem to understand that I am being sarcastic when I say that the future is to carry around your phone in a suitcase? I thought I was being fairly obvious here.

As for Windows Phone and looks I agree, it looks awesome. As for Windows phone and functionality I have been struggling with my mom's phone a lot. Sending files through Bluetooth is impossible, customizing ringtones is a hassle and you need to use Zune software and you're limited to 40 seconds, getting a custom text message sound proved to be impossible at the time, but it might come in an update. Finding a picture and downloading it through the phone's browser seems impossible and I tried that for 5 minutes before I tried downloading it using my phone (Nokia with Symbian). I touched the image got the choice to download and I downloaded it. Windows phone 8 got the looks and it got a few awesome functions, but there's just so much that I could do better on the phone I bought in 2006. It seems to be an OS set 10 years ago that claims to be the future.
 

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Glademaster said:
We're already pretty much at our limit as far as transistor size on 2 d space with the current lithography we have. That and the smaller you go the science we have breaks down as far as stuff to do with electrons go which is why Quantum physics is used at that stage.
The entire reason transistors even work in the first place is wacky quantum mechanical effects. Without quantum physics, we wouldn't have modern electronics. But yes, my love of pedantry aside, the smaller the scale, the more undesired wacky quantum effects there are, which is really getting to be a problem that's more and more expensive to solve with each die-shrink.
 

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Phones will soon catch up with this generation of consoles, probably in the next 12-18 months. Take the Vita for example, it is very close to the current console in graphics and gameplay performance,

The PS Vita uses a pair of what are essentially smartphone processors, The Vita was also built to a budget so consumers get it at a £200 price point. Apple, Samsung and HTC are not as constrained budget wise, they will build a £500+ device knowing it will sell better than hot cakes. It wont be long until phones easily outperform the Vita and current consoles.

The jump in processing power in smartphones is a good example, compare the processing power of the iPhone 4S to the iPhone 5 and the Samsung Galaxy S2 to the galaxy S3. There was a significant increase, the same goes for the HTX One X. The next generation of phones will have the same jump in power.
 

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I like the fact that most people here are sceptical about projecting current trends into the future - a big mistake often made in bad science fiction.
However, I think the OP has a point here. Allow me to explain.

The obvious mistake to make here is to confuse the rise of tablets and touch with the future. This is the mistake Microsoft has made with Windows 8. While the tablet market is still growing, tablets can never do what desktops can. However, this depends on the definition of "tablet" and "desktop". The desktop as the concept of a big screen, mouse and keyboard isn't going to disappear. Tablets as the concept of a "small screen with touch input" cannot offer the functionality of a desktop. Touch is inconvenient rather than convenient for many tasks. Touch is not the future per se.
Note how my definition of desktop did not actually include the desktop itself, as defined by a full (or midi) tower PC. I think it's quite likely that these machines will start to disappear, possibly with a few exceptions but I'm not even sure about that.
Think about it. We can be pretty sure that tablets will be as powerful as desktop PCs are now within 5 years (possibly even less), at least in CPU performance. Now think about connecting the tablet to mouse and keyboard and the screen. I expect this to be possible by using but one connection within 5 years as well (Thunderbolt, though expensive at the moment, is already capable of doing so). You can connect the tablet at home to your "desktop", work on a report or excel sheet, save your files, take the tablet with you in the train to work and play angry birds, check your email &c., then connect the tablet to your desktop environment at work. No synchronisation is necessary, all files are accessible and available everywhere and at all times &c.

There is but one issue here, as noted by most other contributors: tablets aren't as powerful as PCs and they never will be due to heat issues &c. That is definitely true, certainly in the case of the technology we currently use. But it need not be a problem.
I'm the "guy who is good with computers" so my family and friends come to me when they need a problem solved or when they need advice on what computer or component to buy. I check hardware sites every day and am generally rather well aware of what is going on.
I'll tell you what is going on, at least in the CPU area: performance has become "sufficient". It simply has become good enough. Even hardware websites now say so. Recently, an article stated that (translating here) "A modern PC has (more than) enough computing power for all possible tasks and since the advent of the SSD there isn't really any bottleneck anymore which needs to be improved". That's a hardware website, specialised in computer hardware. They write reviews about new hardware for a living. And they have to admit that it doesn't really matter anymore what you buy when it comes to CPU performance.

They're not alone. Intel, for the first time ever as far as I can tell, has recently decided to use the new production process (22 nm) for a reduction in power consumption rather than use it to increase performance. TDP went down from 95 watt to 77 watt for their top range CPUs.

Similarly, enthusiasts start building more and more micro-ATX or even mini-ATX PCs. Full towers become increasingly rare. I bought a cheap $60 AMD CPU (alternatively one might buy an Intel Pentium) and the thing is: I haven't noticed a difference with my old $280 i7 860, and I've never felt either CPU fell short. We're talking about a 3 year old CPU and an extremely cheap half year old CPU here.

This means that tablets will be "fast enough" within 5 years. For consumers that is, some tasks obviously still require a lot of computing power. But we have supercomputers for that. Number crunching in excel or SPSS or Stata, encryption and converting video formats can all be done sufficiently fast on a tablet in 5 years.
The only exception are GPUs and, consequently, GPU intensive tasks. Even today's GPUs often lack the power to play games at high resolutions with all effects enabled. Whereas upgrading a CPU isn't very useful in most cases, upgrading a GPU is almost always beneficial. The top range cards also consume 200 watt or more. You won't find similar performance in tablets anytime soon, and when the time has come it won't be enough. However, modular GPUs are a technical possibility with thunderbolt. It's definitely possible to have a modular GPU provide the required performance to a tablet in 5 years. Then it's also possible to do rendering &c. while using a tablet as main computer.

Technically, it's perfectly possible to have tablets replace the desktop TOWER in 5 years. Of course, whether it will be possible to consumers to do so is dubious, since it requires companies to make the required components. The problem is that this requires the cooperation and integration of many technologies. The OS (in this case Android) would have to support modular GPUs and would have to offer much more functionality, modular GPUs have to be produced and an integration of screen, mouse and keyboard with a tablet has to be possible (which requires both hardware and software support). At the same time, any one of these improvements separately doesn't offer any benefits, so there has to be a company to take charge and get things done. This could be Apple or Google.
(Yes, I expect Microsoft to play no role in this, ironically by making the switch to an integration of mobile OS and desktop OS based on the ridiculous assumption that touch is the future).
 

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BeerTent said:
I don't think it is. OP, you're comparing apples to oranges here. There's no way that Android will have the capabilities of a Windows/Linux/Mac desktop at this point unless Google begins to develop Android for desktops.
Prettymuch this. I highly doubt that Google will develop Android for a PC.
While I agree with you... I don't see Android being full-on desktop OS material... Android essentially is Linux, and Linux (comes as a) fully-blown OS for desktops... Although I'm sure Google have plans for such an event (yeah, sure, the market is dying... slowly... But there's still the chance of revival)

Either way, they wouldn't have made the Chromebooks for any reason other than testing the waters for such an endeavour...

Still, while I'd love to see Android for PC, I don't see it happening any further than what Google already have in the Chromebook... (Although since we're talking Linux here, it's basically already been done)