Android is the New Windows

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Ultratwinkie said:
Oh yes, apple. because we all know they do so much.

You know, releasing the same fucking phone over and over again.

And google won't touch hardware markets like that.

Its a bad idea. Its always been a bad idea.
Hey now, I loathe Apple's guts as much as the next guy, but they are technical pioneers. There are massive advances in the computing field that are present due to their input.

It isn't their R&D department that is at fault for their marketing gurus milking the standard Iphone for every last scrap of potential it no longer has, or their legal department trying to patent everything from the shape of a box to oxygen.
 

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Yosharian said:
Uh.. what? What games work with Android?
The best ever was Onlive, which is dead. They were a browser based App that you could play just about anything upon.

My latest download is GTA 3 which is running very well. Problem is getting used to touch controls. But I've hooked up Android tablets to the 55" LED and a wireless controller, and it was a lot like playing on any console.
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Things may look a little like this:
and games already look like this

 

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Ultratwinkie said:
Oh yes, apple. because we all know they do so much.

You know, releasing the same fucking phone over and over again.

And google won't touch hardware markets like that.
I am not an Apple fan, I would never buy any Apple products but I have to say each iteration of the iPhone has made improvements. Google also have hardware, they own Motorola and have hardware built for them by various manufacturers under the Nexus brand. Considering the business partnership they have with ASUS its no leap to imagine them building Android powered laptops, especially with laptop and tablet hybrids becoming hugely popular.
 

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The Future sounds even closer now: Onlive is coming back and will be on google tv and LG TVs, built into the system!!!


And the Ouya isn't even out yet!
 

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Ultratwinkie said:
J Tyran said:
Ultratwinkie said:
Oh yes, apple. because we all know they do so much.

You know, releasing the same fucking phone over and over again.

And google won't touch hardware markets like that.
I am not an Apple fan, I would never buy any Apple products but I have to say each iteration of the iPhone has made improvements. Google also have hardware, they own Motorola and have hardware built for them by various manufacturers under the Nexus brand. Considering the business partnership they have with ASUS its no leap to imagine them building Android powered laptops, especially with laptop and tablet hybrids becoming hugely popular.
never anything noticeable.

Secondly, why would google try to change the entire hardware market like he said? A lot of money, for what? It needs a profit, companies are not the in the business of wasting tons of money for bad ideas.
Google actually has their own OS for netbooks, called Chrome OS. Rumor has it that Chrome OS and Android share a lot of the same stuff under the hood, and the two projects will eventually be merged. So once again, it's not anywhere near as far fetched as you think it is.
 

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Owyn_Merrilin said:
Ultratwinkie said:
J Tyran said:
Ultratwinkie said:
Oh yes, apple. because we all know they do so much.

You know, releasing the same fucking phone over and over again.

And google won't touch hardware markets like that.
I am not an Apple fan, I would never buy any Apple products but I have to say each iteration of the iPhone has made improvements. Google also have hardware, they own Motorola and have hardware built for them by various manufacturers under the Nexus brand. Considering the business partnership they have with ASUS its no leap to imagine them building Android powered laptops, especially with laptop and tablet hybrids becoming hugely popular.
never anything noticeable.

Secondly, why would google try to change the entire hardware market like he said? A lot of money, for what? It needs a profit, companies are not the in the business of wasting tons of money for bad ideas.
Google actually has their own OS for netbooks, called Chrome OS. Rumor has it that Chrome OS and Android share a lot of the same stuff under the hood, and the two projects will eventually be merged. So once again, it's not anywhere near as far fetched as you think it is.
Exactly Google has all of the individual pieces, they have netbooks, tablets and smartphones. They have Android and you can buy some laptops with dual boot OS that run Android. All of the separate pieces are there, they just need to ask someone like ASUS to make them a tablet hybrid ultrabook that runs an enhanced version of Android.

R&D costs for the hardware are next to nothing, everything already exists. Google simply needs to dedicate some resources to OS development and bingo Google branded laptops. A desktop OS would probably soon follow.

Ultratwinkie said:
Why would google force the entire hardware market to cater to bad ideas for attachments to tablets and phones?
What attachments? Things already connect wirelessly and the tablet and laptop hybrids are a fraction bulkier than a standard laptop, the extremely thin keyboard simply folds behind the screen. You have the full keyboard and touchpad of a laptop and the convenience and portability of a tablet, they are the best of both worlds for a slight increase in weight and thickness over a tablet. They don't lack for performance either, they run on a special low power core series processor. Downside is that they hit the wallet hard at the moment.

All Google need to do is make a good OS thats all, they don't need to try and change the hardware market because its changing itself almost month by month.
 

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Ultratwinkie said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
Ultratwinkie said:
J Tyran said:
Ultratwinkie said:
Oh yes, apple. because we all know they do so much.

You know, releasing the same fucking phone over and over again.

And google won't touch hardware markets like that.
I am not an Apple fan, I would never buy any Apple products but I have to say each iteration of the iPhone has made improvements. Google also have hardware, they own Motorola and have hardware built for them by various manufacturers under the Nexus brand. Considering the business partnership they have with ASUS its no leap to imagine them building Android powered laptops, especially with laptop and tablet hybrids becoming hugely popular.
never anything noticeable.

Secondly, why would google try to change the entire hardware market like he said? A lot of money, for what? It needs a profit, companies are not the in the business of wasting tons of money for bad ideas.
Google actually has their own OS for netbooks, called Chrome OS. Rumor has it that Chrome OS and Android share a lot of the same stuff under the hood, and the two projects will eventually be merged. So once again, it's not anywhere near as far fetched as you think it is.
One, I am talking about actual hardware. Not software.

Why would google force the entire hardware market to cater to bad ideas for attachments to tablets and phones?
Who said anything about forcing the market to do things? There's clearly a demand for docking stations and keyboard/mouse attachments for tablets, and there's clearly a supply of them as well. Market pressure, combined with some practically guaranteed advances in processing power and miniaturization are all that's needed for a future where your phone is also your desktop to happen. Just because you can't or stubbornly won't see it doesn't make it not true.
 

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Ultratwinkie said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
Ultratwinkie said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
Ultratwinkie said:
J Tyran said:
Ultratwinkie said:
Oh yes, apple. because we all know they do so much.

You know, releasing the same fucking phone over and over again.

And google won't touch hardware markets like that.
I am not an Apple fan, I would never buy any Apple products but I have to say each iteration of the iPhone has made improvements. Google also have hardware, they own Motorola and have hardware built for them by various manufacturers under the Nexus brand. Considering the business partnership they have with ASUS its no leap to imagine them building Android powered laptops, especially with laptop and tablet hybrids becoming hugely popular.
never anything noticeable.

Secondly, why would google try to change the entire hardware market like he said? A lot of money, for what? It needs a profit, companies are not the in the business of wasting tons of money for bad ideas.
Google actually has their own OS for netbooks, called Chrome OS. Rumor has it that Chrome OS and Android share a lot of the same stuff under the hood, and the two projects will eventually be merged. So once again, it's not anywhere near as far fetched as you think it is.
One, I am talking about actual hardware. Not software.

Why would google force the entire hardware market to cater to bad ideas for attachments to tablets and phones?
Who said anything about forcing the market to do things? There's clearly a demand for docking stations and keyboard/mouse attachments for tablets, and there's clearly a supply of them as well. Market pressure, combined with some practically guaranteed advances in processing power and miniaturization are all that's needed for a future where you're phone is also your desktop to happen. Just because you can't or stubbornly won't see it doesn't make it not true.
Its up, like, a page. A guy said that google or apple would force the hardware market to make tablets the NEW desktops by making taking desktop parts and connecting them to the tablet.

Why would anyone choose a make shift tablet set up? To attach all these cards and boxes to a tablet to be a desktop? Why make it immobile? All it does is force a choke point when there is no need for one.

Its a HUGE investment, for something NO ONE wants.

People don't buy tablets to replace the desktop's role. They buy them to fulfill their OWN role.People don't WANT to make tablet gaming like an assassin putting together a damn sniper rifle.

Its a lot of money for something the market never really wanted or needed.
I went up and read it, and once again, you're being needlessly obtuse. He wasn't saying anyone was going to force anything. He was saying that whatever company makes the first modular GPU that can connect to a tablet would probably have to make the tablet itself, as well. Once they do that, if it's a workable idea, other companies will follow suit. Although personally I don't think that'll be necessary unless this shift starts in the next five years, instead of the 10-20 I was thinking of. You keep hammering on about how the consoles are outdated, and therefore it's not really impressive that tablets are already equivalent in power to them, but we're talking about seven years here to get high end graphical performance down to that commodity level you love to scoff at. That's not a lot of time, especially because we really are hitting a point where, while there is plenty of room for graphics to improve, they are most definitely "good enough" as far as the vast majority of people are concerned. Heck, we've been there since the PS2 launched. That means we're well in the realm of diminishing returns here. 10, 20 years down the road, is it really gonna matter that a desktop can put out Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children level graphics, while your phone is already putting out, say, Finding Nemo level graphics? And I do mean graphics, not art style.
 

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Ultratwinkie said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
Ultratwinkie said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
Ultratwinkie said:
J Tyran said:
Ultratwinkie said:
Oh yes, apple. because we all know they do so much.

You know, releasing the same fucking phone over and over again.

And google won't touch hardware markets like that.
I am not an Apple fan, I would never buy any Apple products but I have to say each iteration of the iPhone has made improvements. Google also have hardware, they own Motorola and have hardware built for them by various manufacturers under the Nexus brand. Considering the business partnership they have with ASUS its no leap to imagine them building Android powered laptops, especially with laptop and tablet hybrids becoming hugely popular.
never anything noticeable.

Secondly, why would google try to change the entire hardware market like he said? A lot of money, for what? It needs a profit, companies are not the in the business of wasting tons of money for bad ideas.
Google actually has their own OS for netbooks, called Chrome OS. Rumor has it that Chrome OS and Android share a lot of the same stuff under the hood, and the two projects will eventually be merged. So once again, it's not anywhere near as far fetched as you think it is.
One, I am talking about actual hardware. Not software.

Why would google force the entire hardware market to cater to bad ideas for attachments to tablets and phones?
Who said anything about forcing the market to do things? There's clearly a demand for docking stations and keyboard/mouse attachments for tablets, and there's clearly a supply of them as well. Market pressure, combined with some practically guaranteed advances in processing power and miniaturization are all that's needed for a future where you're phone is also your desktop to happen. Just because you can't or stubbornly won't see it doesn't make it not true.
Its up, like, a page. A guy said that google or apple would force the hardware market to make tablets the NEW desktops by making taking desktop parts and connecting them to the tablet.

Why would anyone choose a make shift tablet set up? To attach all these cards and boxes to a tablet to be a desktop? Why make it immobile? All it does is force a choke point when there is no need for one.

Its a HUGE investment, for something NO ONE wants.

People don't buy tablets to replace the desktop's role. They buy them to fulfill their OWN role.People don't WANT to make tablet gaming like an assassin putting together a damn sniper rifle.

Its a lot of money for something the market never really wanted or needed.
Google or Apple need force nothing, these things already exist. Both Lenovo and ASUS are selling tablet hybrids that pack low power versions of core i5 and i7 CPUs. They are 2-3mm (folded) bulkier than a tablet thats all.

They are the best of both worlds, a tablet that is better for productivity but the convenience and portability of tablet. The keyboard simply folds behind the screen, no crappy attachments needed. They outperform tablets by a huge degree as well. Currently these things are running on Windows 8, Google already have tablets built for them by ASUS so why not have them build Android powered hybrids?

You seem truly unaware in how rapidly portable hardware is catching up. Laptops have caught up desktops and the laptops and tablets are merging into a single device. Dedicated gaming hybrids will be next with the rapid development in low power multicore GPUs like the ones developed by PowerVR.
 

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Ultratwinkie said:
J Tyran said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
Ultratwinkie said:
J Tyran said:
Ultratwinkie said:
Oh yes, apple. because we all know they do so much.

You know, releasing the same fucking phone over and over again.

And google won't touch hardware markets like that.
I am not an Apple fan, I would never buy any Apple products but I have to say each iteration of the iPhone has made improvements. Google also have hardware, they own Motorola and have hardware built for them by various manufacturers under the Nexus brand. Considering the business partnership they have with ASUS its no leap to imagine them building Android powered laptops, especially with laptop and tablet hybrids becoming hugely popular.
never anything noticeable.

Secondly, why would google try to change the entire hardware market like he said? A lot of money, for what? It needs a profit, companies are not the in the business of wasting tons of money for bad ideas.
Google actually has their own OS for netbooks, called Chrome OS. Rumor has it that Chrome OS and Android share a lot of the same stuff under the hood, and the two projects will eventually be merged. So once again, it's not anywhere near as far fetched as you think it is.
Exactly Google has all of the individual pieces, they have netbooks, tablets and smartphones. They have Android and you can buy some laptops with dual boot OS that run Android. All of the separate pieces are there, they just need to ask someone like ASUS to make them a tablet hybrid ultrabook that runs an enhanced version of Android.

R&D costs for the hardware are next to nothing, everything already exists. Google simply needs to dedicate some resources to OS development and bingo Google branded laptops. A desktop OS would probably soon follow.

Ultratwinkie said:
Why would google force the entire hardware market to cater to bad ideas for attachments to tablets and phones?
What attachments? Things already connect wirelessly and the tablet and laptop hybrids are a fraction bulkier than a standard laptop, the extremely thin keyboard simply folds behind the screen. You have the full keyboard and touchpad of a laptop and the convenience and portability of a tablet, they are the best of both worlds for a slight increase in weight and thickness over a tablet. They don't lack for performance either, they run on a special low power core series processor. Downside is that they hit the wallet hard at the moment.

All Google need to do is make a good OS thats all, they don't need to try and change the hardware market because its changing itself almost month by month.
The entire argument started over how tablets can have attachments which turns it into the "new desktop."

A flawed idea on multiple fronts. It has to be in the main design, or it won't work. External parts like GPUs on a wireless connection would be nothing but headaches if it even works at any capacity. The OS never came into it.

Even then, the OS would be bogged down, since desktops are MS,mac, and Linux country. Well known, big market share holders.

Practically everyone falls into one of these three groups for their needs. Google has a habit of joining in too late, it will end up like Google Plus with almost no one using it.

The only way for a Google OS to work is for it to offer something the other 3 can't.
Actually, there's two things people are arguing for here: one is the completely modular system, which includes an external GPU. The other is a system where all the processing power is already on board, with the extra connections being to a mouse, keyboard, and monitor/TV. Even the external GPU idea only adds one more connection, which, despite your seeming inability to comprehend it, would be something you only connect to while you're at home and doing something that needs some serious graphical power. Otherwise, all of your processing power would be on board. Personally I think we just need to wait a little longer, and the commodity level stuff will be good enough for anything that doesn't require a supercomputer -- at which point the university/military research lab can darned well buy themselves a supercomputer.
 

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Ultratwinkie said:
J Tyran said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
Ultratwinkie said:
J Tyran said:
Ultratwinkie said:
Oh yes, apple. because we all know they do so much.

You know, releasing the same fucking phone over and over again.

And google won't touch hardware markets like that.
I am not an Apple fan, I would never buy any Apple products but I have to say each iteration of the iPhone has made improvements. Google also have hardware, they own Motorola and have hardware built for them by various manufacturers under the Nexus brand. Considering the business partnership they have with ASUS its no leap to imagine them building Android powered laptops, especially with laptop and tablet hybrids becoming hugely popular.
never anything noticeable.

Secondly, why would google try to change the entire hardware market like he said? A lot of money, for what? It needs a profit, companies are not the in the business of wasting tons of money for bad ideas.
Google actually has their own OS for netbooks, called Chrome OS. Rumor has it that Chrome OS and Android share a lot of the same stuff under the hood, and the two projects will eventually be merged. So once again, it's not anywhere near as far fetched as you think it is.
Exactly Google has all of the individual pieces, they have netbooks, tablets and smartphones. They have Android and you can buy some laptops with dual boot OS that run Android. All of the separate pieces are there, they just need to ask someone like ASUS to make them a tablet hybrid ultrabook that runs an enhanced version of Android.

R&D costs for the hardware are next to nothing, everything already exists. Google simply needs to dedicate some resources to OS development and bingo Google branded laptops. A desktop OS would probably soon follow.

Ultratwinkie said:
Why would google force the entire hardware market to cater to bad ideas for attachments to tablets and phones?
What attachments? Things already connect wirelessly and the tablet and laptop hybrids are a fraction bulkier than a standard laptop, the extremely thin keyboard simply folds behind the screen. You have the full keyboard and touchpad of a laptop and the convenience and portability of a tablet, they are the best of both worlds for a slight increase in weight and thickness over a tablet. They don't lack for performance either, they run on a special low power core series processor. Downside is that they hit the wallet hard at the moment.

All Google need to do is make a good OS thats all, they don't need to try and change the hardware market because its changing itself almost month by month.
The entire argument started over how tablets can have attachments which turns it into the "new desktop."

A flawed idea on multiple fronts. It has to be in the main design, or it won't work. External parts like GPUs on a wireless connection would be nothing but headaches if it even works at any capacity. The OS never came into it.

Even then, the OS would be bogged down, since desktops are MS,mac, and Linux country. Well known, big market share holders.

Practically everyone falls into one of these three groups for their needs. Google has a habit of joining in too late, it will end up like Google Plus with almost no one using it.

The only way for a Google OS to work is for it to offer something the other 3 can't.
I didn't see the quote about adding GPU like peripherals, yes that does sound dumb and unnecessary. Integrated devices exist Google just need the OS, they have the customer base there. Android is the most popular smartphone OS and unless Apple work fast they are on track to take the tablet market too. If people are used to having Android as part of their daily lives and like it and Google market a powerful tablet hybrid people will be willing to buy it.

Microsoft is cleverer than people give them credit for, they are seeing that the tablet market is on borrowed time because the hybrids will soon replace them. Not just yet because they are very expensive but soon, once they hit £500 and less people will really take to them. Windows mobile and Windows 8 running on both platforms and essentially interchangeable is very clever and very forward thinking.

If Apple and Samsung and the other competition isn't paying attention and Microsoft play this right they will steal this new market out from under them. Google will have to respond to this by creating a more complex version of Android to run on these devices or risk being relegated to phones and getting booted out of the tablet market.