Angry Minnesotans Take 3D Printer Away From Gunmaker

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Frontastic said:
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Seems like a rather simplistic way of replicating weapons.

Frontastic said:
Plastic guns... would that even work? Like yeah BB guns etc are fine but if we're talking real, dangerous guns wouldn't plastic ones just shatter when fired?
I remember a while back a guy made a replica of an AK out of paper that worked, last time I checked he had got it to fire and cycle rounds.
That's... rather frightening. Any war in 20/30 years should be pretty interesting...
In the future all wars are thought using weapons made out of paper and plastic going up against paper planes giving aerial support and tanks made out of paper mache
 

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It's a small wonder that they even thought printed guns would change things. More bullets flying does not equate to increased safety. Owning a gun is a hefty responsibility, and the way in which they approached it assumed it was everyone's right to own a piece.

I'm sorry, I wouldn't give a gun, not even a plastic one, to someone who's on antipsychotics, who has a criminal past, a history of violence or a tendency towards self-harm.

A society where everyone has a firearm, right down to kids, wouldn't be any safer than a society where these objects are beholden to individuals who have a duty and function to go with these weapons.
 

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Zombie_Moogle said:
That image right there is the perfect argument in favor of Defense Distributed. Smart money says the next village that group rolls into will wish it had the means to better arm itself.
For better or worse, guns exist. People, in our species-old tradition of self-destruction, like to kill each other & will do so for fun or profit. All we've done in our history is go from "the biggest caveman gets w/e he wants" to "the best armed guy gets what he wants". Sad but true. While I truly wish it were not so, the only way we as humans have of redressing this is to match it.
What else can I say? Humans are nuts. Gotta do what you gotta do to survive
If they can't afford a few hundred Dollars for a dozen of the AKM's that Africa is awash with, the certainly wouldn't be able to afford the tens of thousands of Dollars for the lease on a 3D printer capable of printing weapon parts.
 

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Karloff said:
"WikiWep is about challenging gun control and regulation," says its FAQ. "We look to inspire and defend those who live (and are threatened to live) under politically oppressive regimes. Firearm Rights are Human Rights."
instead of taking the toys away they should have jailed them. the people are obviously criminally insane.

Also, this wouldnt work. the kinetic force of the bulelt firing would:
1: melt the plastic around the explosion that propels the bulelt
2: blow up the gun due to rapid gas expansion.
result: melted plastic exploding into perpetrators face, while the bullet not moving or moving at such velocity that it cant do any harm.
 

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Having a cheap plastic gun that looks identical to a real one may create serious problems. I am against using the tech for this purpose.
Those already exist, and they don't create many problems at all. Airsoft has been around since the mid-to-late 80s.
 

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Strazdas said:
Karloff said:
"WikiWep is about challenging gun control and regulation," says its FAQ. "We look to inspire and defend those who live (and are threatened to live) under politically oppressive regimes. Firearm Rights are Human Rights."
instead of taking the toys away they should have jailed them. the people are obviously criminally insane.

Also, this wouldnt work. the kinetic force of the bulelt firing would:
1: melt the plastic around the explosion that propels the bulelt
2: blow up the gun due to rapid gas expansion.
result: melted plastic exploding into perpetrators face, while the bullet not moving or moving at such velocity that it cant do any harm.
Have you ever used a 3D printer? You can print with some VERY high quality resins. A plastic gun could be made to work. There are some VERY strong resins out there that could be used in a 3D printer.

They aren't criminally insane either. They are just attempting to take a new technology in a new direction. Do you really think the ability to print plastic gun parts will really change anything? People can already manufacture firearms out of pipes and any number of common parts.
 

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tsb247 said:
-Dragmire- said:
Having a cheap plastic gun that looks identical to a real one may create serious problems. I am against using the tech for this purpose.
Those already exist, and they don't create many problems at all. Airsoft has been around since the mid-to-late 80s.
Hmmm... Maybe I'm talking out of my ass then, I could have sworn realistic fake weaponry was illegal for conventional sale.
 

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I agree with the people who confiscated the printer the a plastic gun would just help criminals way too much to be a good idea right now..
 

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-Dragmire- said:
tsb247 said:
-Dragmire- said:
Having a cheap plastic gun that looks identical to a real one may create serious problems. I am against using the tech for this purpose.
Those already exist, and they don't create many problems at all. Airsoft has been around since the mid-to-late 80s.
Hmmm... Maybe I'm talking out of my ass then, I could have sworn realistic fake weaponry was illegal for conventional sale.
Where do you live? In the US, realistic guns toy might not be "banned" few make them because they are afraid of being sued by the kids family after the kid thought it would be funny too pull the fake gun on the police, and then gets shot.

I can buy "training aids" that look like real knifes, but are rubber, the same is true for firearms (though they are painted a strange color, they can easily be repainted).

Finally, these were not being made or sold as "toys" but real working firearms. I know its been said but, in the US, it is not Illegal. In fact Stratasys might be breaking the law (not criminal, but Civil law) and are setting themselves up for a lawsuit.

I know people worry that once something gets invented then the bad guys will start too use it. But everyone is forgetting that one, springs cannot be made of plastic and all firearms need some type of spring. and two, nothing is stopping the baddies from doing this now. Setup fake company, lease 3D printer, give printer too baddies, fake company disappears, middle-finger too everyone.
 

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Gilhelmi said:
-Dragmire- said:
tsb247 said:
-Dragmire- said:
Having a cheap plastic gun that looks identical to a real one may create serious problems. I am against using the tech for this purpose.
Those already exist, and they don't create many problems at all. Airsoft has been around since the mid-to-late 80s.
Hmmm... Maybe I'm talking out of my ass then, I could have sworn realistic fake weaponry was illegal for conventional sale.
Where do you live? In the US, realistic guns toy might not be "banned" few make them because they are afraid of being sued by the kids family after the kid thought it would be funny too pull the fake gun on the police, and then gets shot.

I can buy "training aids" that look like real knifes, but are rubber, the same is true for firearms (though they are painted a strange color, they can easily be repainted).

Finally, these were not being made or sold as "toys" but real working firearms. I know its been said but, in the US, it is not Illegal. In fact Stratasys might be breaking the law (not criminal, but Civil law) and are setting themselves up for a lawsuit.

I know people worry that once something gets invented then the bad guys will start too use it. But everyone is forgetting that one, springs cannot be made of plastic and all firearms need some type of spring. and two, nothing is stopping the baddies from doing this now. Setup fake company, lease 3D printer, give printer too baddies, fake company disappears, middle-finger too everyone.
I'm in Canada so it may or may not be the same and yeah, I was thinking of these fake guns being sold as toys.
 

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Gilhelmi said:
Well said. I pray for the day that Americans can, once again, follow their dreams without having too jump through legal hoops.
The issue here is the uncontrollable, untraceable nature of an underground weapons manufacturing cult. If you'd like to see your violent crime rate soar and shootings increase, no worries, but please, start wearing the clothing from Fallout first.
 

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ResonanceSD said:
Gilhelmi said:
Well said. I pray for the day that Americans can, once again, follow their dreams without having too jump through legal hoops.
The issue here is the uncontrollable, untraceable nature of an underground weapons manufacturing cult. If you'd like to see your violent crime rate soar and shootings increase, no worries, but please, start wearing the clothing from Fallout first.
Y'know, it's funny, anti gunners always claim this will happen every time gun laws are loosened. Guns allowed in bars? The bars will be awash in blood. Shall issue or constituional carry enacted? The streets awash in blood. Carry in National Parks? The Parks awash in blood. Oddly enough, these predictions NEVER come to pass.
 

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ravenshrike said:
Y'know, it's funny, anti gunners always claim this will happen every time gun laws are loosened. Guns allowed in bars? The bars will be awash in blood. Shall issue or constituional carry enacted? The streets awash in blood. Carry in National Parks? The Parks awash in blood. Oddly enough, these predictions NEVER come to pass.
The difference between "you can carry a registered, tracked weapon" and "you can just go ahead and build your own guns" is the issue here. Accountability would be entirely lost.
 

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ResonanceSD said:
ravenshrike said:
Y'know, it's funny, anti gunners always claim this will happen every time gun laws are loosened. Guns allowed in bars? The bars will be awash in blood. Shall issue or constituional carry enacted? The streets awash in blood. Carry in National Parks? The Parks awash in blood. Oddly enough, these predictions NEVER come to pass.
The difference between "you can carry a registered, tracked weapon" and "you can just go ahead and build your own guns" is the issue here. Accountability would be entirely lost.
Fun fact, it's perfectly legal to build your own unregistered weapon in the majority of the US as long as you don't sell it to anyone. All completely untracked. And plenty of people do so. Still no bloodbaths.
 

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While the implications & dangers associated with such a project are obvious, they have a definite point here. Imagine what it would be like if oppressed & impoverished parts of the world could cheaply & quickly develop the means to defend themselves. I can't help but wonder if such technology wouldn't help balance the scales in countries like Iran, Libya, Sudan, The Republic of The Congo
Yeah, great, good for them. Meanwhile, the sane, rational, non-continually-subject-to-mass-shootings developed nations like mine, who are perfectly happy living under the monstrous injustice(apparently) of gun control, will have to deal with crazy fuckaloons like these idiots printing off guns and killing people.

Seriously America, you need to deal with these inbred backwards hillpeople and their obsessive need to cram a firearm into the hands of every human alive the moment they emerge from the womb.
 

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ravenshrike said:
Fun fact, it's perfectly legal to build your own unregistered weapon in the majority of the US as long as you don't sell it to anyone. All completely untracked. And plenty of people do so. Still no bloodbaths.
Well, to a certain extent. You can't make a fully-automatic weapon and expect the police to not intervene when they find out about it. But yeah, as far as I know, most gun crimes that occur in the US are not done with homemade weapons.

Still, this situation puts Stratasys in a tough place legally, and I don't blame them at all for doing this. Private 3D printing is a very new technology with a lot of potential, and the last thing it needs right now is people getting all scared and acting on impulse to regulate it before we even understand the full extent of its uses. This isn't about whether or not printed guns would work, or whether or not Stratasys wants guns to be made with its technology. They just don't want the fed on their ass for aiding in the creation of unregulated firearms until the legal system has caught up with the technology.
 

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Double post, sorry 'bout that.

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lowkey_jotunn said:
The real problem here is that the "angry Minnisoteans" don't understand where to direct their vitriol. They want to slap the hands of anyone who is thinking about making something that might possibly be used for nefarious purposes. That's 3-generation missing the point.

How about we teach our kids that it's not OK to shoot someone, instead of trying to control every avenue by which someone can be shot.
Um...did you read the article? Stratasys never actually said if they want guns to be made with their 3D printer. They did this because the legal system hasn't caught up with technology, and they don't want the fed on their ass for what could be legally considered a machine that can manufacture firearms on a large-scale. Considering the amount of precision and the machine and its ability to make things multiple times over, there is quite a bit of difference between making a rudimentary gun with metal piping and the potential to make extremely precise parts for very sophisticated guns on a large-scale.

I'm for gun ownership as well, but I don't blame them at all for doing this. Regulations for 3D printing are bound to fall into place soon, and the last thing they need is for people to be over-regulating it out of fear because somebody thought it was a good idea to point out exactly how useful it is in making very precise parts for homemade guns. Also, they don't need legal fees and controversies from hearings and investigations putting them under.
 

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My problem with this is that if these people are successful these weapons will fall into the hands of people we really don't want to have these weapons as well as people we want to have these weapons. A plastic handgun is the absolute perfect tool for an assassination, it's virtually undetectable, untraceable and could be produced in a matter of hours at a relatively low cost.

In a country where gun ownership is legal, owning a plastic handgun is basically an admission of guilt that you are about to commit a heinous crime. The reason for this is that if you are able to legally buy a handgun through the regular channels the only reason you would have a plastic handgun is to not take responsibility for firing it.

Zombie_Moogle said:
While the implications & dangers associated with such a project are obvious, they have a definite point here. Imagine what it would be like if oppressed & impoverished parts of the world could cheaply & quickly develop the means to defend themselves. I can't help but wonder if such technology wouldn't help balance the scales in countries like Iran, Libya, Sudan, The Republic of The Congo



That image right there is the perfect argument in favor of Defense Distributed. Smart money says the next village that group rolls into will wish it had the means to better arm itself.
Best case scenario, they're able to kill a few more of them before they're completely decimated, a few plastic weapons would not be able to repel them. It would get more of them killed because they would be more confidant with a plastic gun than no gun. What I think it would do is teach the raiders to shoot earlier. Making everybody armed just makes everybody scared of everybody else, in a place like The Republic of The Congo or Sudan, it would mean that the unarmed people would never band together against the armed people because they are all armed. The communities protecting themselves with weapons would not know a raiding party from another community protecting itself with weapons. It would devolve into Day Z where the only option is shooting first. In places like the United States it works that people carry guns because we live in a society that is very non-violent by comparison.
 

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ravenshrike said:
Oddly enough, these predictions NEVER come to pass.
"On January 8, 2011, U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords and eighteen other people were shot during a public meeting held in a supermarket parking lot in Casas Adobes, near Tucson, Arizona. Six of those shot died, including Arizona District Court Chief Judge John Roll; one of Rep. Giffords' staffers; and a nine-year-old child, Christina-Taylor Green. Giffords was holding a constituent meeting called "Congress on Your Corner" in the parking lot of a Safeway store when prosecutors allege Jared Lee Loughner drew a pistol and shot her in the head, subsequently firing on other people."

Extended magazines allowed? Supermarket's awash with blood.